HereComesTheReignAgain Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 If there are 3 main offensive options, run, short passing, and long passing, I think high winds eliminate 2 of those options for the Pats* and one for the Bills. If it is too windy for Allen to throw deep, it will be too windy for noodle arm Jones to throw short or deep. It would have to be some serious wind to take away the short and intermediate passing for a guy with the arm strength of Allen. High winds make the Pats* a running team while they most likely only take away the deep passes from the Bills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Jeez! Every time I come on here the weather is worse and the winds are higher. Pretty soon people will be advancing the hyperbole to a hurricane and blizzard combined. If it was hyperbole, it would be a deliberately exaggerated statement clearly meant to NOT be taken seriously. It's OK; the term "hyperbole" along with "narrative" and some others that I hate somehow became common on these types of sports message boards a long time ago. Anyway, you didn't mean "hyperbole" as most users of the term do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 54 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Jeez! Every time I come on here the weather is worse and the winds are higher. Pretty soon people will be advancing the hyperbole to a hurricane and blizzard combined. 15 feet of snow! and we were thankful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: If there are 3 main offensive options, run, short passing, and long passing, I think high winds eliminate 2 of those options for the Pats* and one for the Bills. If it is too windy for Allen to throw deep, it will be too windy for noodle arm Jones to throw short or deep. It would have to be some serious wind to take away the short and intermediate passing for a guy with the arm strength of Allen. High winds make the Pats* a running team while they most likely only take away the deep passes from the Bills. It depends on the actual weather. It is a huge oversimplification to suggest Josh Allen = big arm, therefore he can throw in high winds where others can't. If the wind is bad enough, no one is going to throw the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: It depends on the actual weather. It is a huge oversimplification to suggest Josh Allen = big arm, therefore he can throw in high winds where others can't. If the wind is bad enough, no one is going to throw the ball. Of course it depends on the actual weather. If there are 50 mph winds, nobody is throwing the football. If it is 20-30 mph gusts as predicted, the guy with the much stronger arm will generally be able to throw more effectively even if he is limited to shorter throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i love how everyone thinks Josh is Ike Uncle Rico, and can throw the ball over the mountains. No one can throw an accurate pass more than 5 yards in 60 MPH wind gusts! Even in 20 MPH winds, go and watch that Ravens/Bills playoff game— it was horrible. 40 attempts for 200 yards passing. i just think that if Daboll doesn’t specifically gameplan for this weather, it’s going to be a sloppy mess on offense for us. Errant throws, dropped balls, etc. Agreed. But the game plan needs to include short and intermediate routes. It can't be 40 rushes. Unless Feliciano makes that big a difference, our line just isn't consistent enough to execute a run-heavy game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 In general, trying to turn into that which we are not (a run team) is a HUGE MISTAKE for the Bills. If we HAVE TO switch because of weather, could be a long night. Let's hope Josh can still throw the ball, and I think that's what we should try and do. We have all heard ad nauseam about how Josh was drafted for his strong arm to push the ball through the December winds of Orchard Park. OK, show us, Josh. (I personally think that is all a bunch of stupid rubbish). 8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Agreed. But the game plan needs to include short and intermediate routes. It can't be 40 rushes. Unless Feliciano makes that big a difference, our line just isn't consistent enough to execute a run-heavy game plan. Let's not forget that Feliciano, if healthy and playing well, will improve the line somewhat, but he fundamentally remains a HORRIBLE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 18 hours ago, Muppy said: I hate to say it but the horrific winds would imo work more against Allen and the bills than the pats. The coin toss will be an important decision as always in wny ......So Field position and scoring TD's also are paramount because your kicking game will surely be affected. Warmups into the game will be telling how that is going to go. Im of the "I love the outdoor ambiance but for the benefit of #17 dang a dome would be sweet. I'm torn. GO BILLS m This feels a bit exaggerated imo...pats still rely on some intermediate passing routes to set the run up too and idk if mac really has the arm strength to limit the winds effect on the pass. Airing out the ball deep would certainly be effected but Josh can throw absolute missiles...we've seen him be pretty effective in high winds before. I think thats probably why were leaning away from a dome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: 2) Bills change up personnel and focus on run game. I am predicting that the Bills for the first time activate DS, Moss, and Breida for the same game, Didn’t all 3 score against the Jets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: In general, trying to turn into that which we are not (a run team) is a HUGE MISTAKE for the Bills. If we HAVE TO switch because of weather, could be a long night. Let's hope Josh can still throw the ball, and I think that's what we should try and do. We have all heard ad nauseam about how Josh was drafted for his strong arm to push the ball through the December winds of Orchard Park. OK, show us, Josh. (I personally think that is all a bunch of stupid rubbish). Let's not forget that Feliciano, if healthy and playing well, will improve the line somewhat, but he fundamentally remains a HORRIBLE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. i mean a horrible guy replacing a very horrible guy is still a huge win hahaha plus we can reshuffle some guys with brown back and put them in better positions to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Weather like what's planned makes me wish we had a "Refrigerator" type FB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 20 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Bills run 3 times, get stuffed each time & never run the ball again except on designed QB runs. Josh passes for 300 yards & runs for 200. Bills win by 21. I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Draconator said: No. A dome is not going to be an extra $2 Billion Dollars.... 2 trillion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Bills coaches finally realize when playing against offenses that run the ball effectively they should drop their base Nickle personnel package on defense and play a traditional and heavier 4-3-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: 2 trillion But would it hold up to the 200mph winds predicted for Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 15 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Weather like what's planned makes me wish we had a "Refrigerator" type FB! Goodness gracious The REFRIGERATOR Perry what a memory that guy was a force LOL .....the sheer massiveness of his girth dude was widebody to say the least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 12 hours ago, without a drought said: But would it hold up to the 200mph winds predicted for Monday. If they don't build a dome, then they better start looking for a strong armed QB who can handle the Buffalo winds---and no Cali boys because none of them ever play well in the cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Whenever we play the Patriots I’m more concerned about the officials over anything else. I’m guessing Bills 12-110yds vs the Pats 3-15. I’m guessing at least 1 td is called back because of a flag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 7:49 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This isn’t another weather or dome thread— I promise! in light of what is expected to be extraordinarily windy conditions on MNF, how do you think each team’s roster and gameplan changes, if at all? Here are a few thoughts I have had: 1) patriots defense goes back to man. From everything I have read, the Pats have gone increasingly zone (cover 2 shell, cover 4) over the last several weeks. With heavy wind, I would expect they could revert to man and loaded boxes— taking away the run and everything short and actually giving us the deep stuff. 2) Bills change up personnel and focus on run game. I am predicting that the Bills for the first time activate DS, Moss, and Breida for the same game, and that we may see two of the three in the backfield at the same time. This may be stating the obvious, but out of necessity, I would expect a run heavy offense. Lots of two TE formations. Lots of sweeps. Designed QB runs. If they do that, they are toast. See bolded. Edited December 4, 2021 by Rockinon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Josh will have 100+ yd rushing day. Because Belacheat will take away mid passes, 30 mph wind take away long passes, our run game is sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 6:41 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Okay, but what happens when the wet ball thrown by Bazooka Josh goes off our receivers hands, like it did the last time we played in the rain? This is just as important. Its not just getting the ball to the receivers. Its holding that the ball gets there AND the receivers catch it. We’ve had several wide open passes dropped this season. And a handful of them on 3rd down (and would be conversions if caught). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Since1981 said: Josh will have 100+ yd rushing day. Because Belacheat will take away mid passes, 30 mph wind take away long passes, our run game is sad. Yards is yards and it doesn't matter how Josh gets them. Josh running is one of the most dangerous and effective things we do on offense. Let him go! In fact, I'd love to see designed QB run plays left and right in this game. The notion that Josh will be injured if he runs is just a myth anyway, along with "trap games," "momentum," and lots of other garbage spewed by fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Since1981 said: Josh will have 100+ yd rushing day. Because Belacheat will take away mid passes, 30 mph wind take away long passes, our run game is sad. He will get some as he always usually does, but not sure he gets quite that many yards lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Daboll will utilize Breida with the potential to get him out in the flats where his speed will pay off. If these winds do kick in like they are calling for, around 50 to 60mph gusts during game time, the worst thing that could happen is if it rains at the same time. One or the other, but hopefully not both rain and wind at the same time. But if it rains and the wind is as bad as they are calling for they short passing gaming is going to be a premium as long as the receives can hold on the ball and get decent YAC we should be fine. I believe Mac will have a difficult time with the winds. He has no experience in this type of weather, being a rookie. So the advantage should go to Josh. If he plays smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I think teams are a little smarter than that. I expect they have run schemes for this game. They also have passing concepts they like. I could see them leaning into one vs the other. This week more runs and more Allen under center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Toyo321 said: I believe Mac will have a difficult time with the winds. He has no experience in this type of weather, being a rookie. So the advantage should go to Josh. If he plays smart. It's pretty amazing that there's so much doom and gloom about the weather by Bills fans when Mac Jones grew up in Jacksonville and played at Alabama, and has NEVER seen a night like he's about to see in two days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 As far as my eyes can tell he doesnt have a very strong arm. Is it worth stacking the box and giving mac jones the opportunity to throw the ball deep and get eaten up by the wind? Can we make him only throw ball that require a strong arm to make? Gotta stop the run and I think its worth the risk. What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I think if the winds are 20+ mph you have to let nature play deep safety for you. The Patriots have a strong running game and we need our safeties in the box to defend it. This game will be won or lost in the trenches. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 If it’s not windy they should make him beat us deep. Either way. They run it and have him throw short routes. Be like a Belichick and take away what they do well, and force them to do something different. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 hours ago, BRH said: It's pretty amazing that there's so much doom and gloom about the weather by Bills fans when Mac Jones grew up in Jacksonville and played at Alabama, and has NEVER seen a night like he's about to see in two days. So what's your point??? Who cares where he played his college football. Playing on MNF and with potential wind and wet conditions is enough to challenge any rookie when its 32 degrees out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 5:24 PM, Muppy said: I hate to say it but the horrific winds would imo work more against Allen and the bills than the pats. The coin toss will be an important decision as always in wny ......So Field position and scoring TD's also are paramount because your kicking game will surely be affected. Warmups into the game will be telling how that is going to go. Im of the "I love the outdoor ambiance but for the benefit of #17 dang a dome would be sweet. I'm torn. GO BILLS m Why do you hate to say it? It's the truth. We ask Josh to be heroic even though he historically struggles in wind and rain. We ask Josh to be 50% of our pathetic run game. The majority seem to be insistent on keeping that open stadium experience, and I get it. And building a dome will cost an extra 500M. But deep down I just feel if JA plays the next 10+ years in this constant wind, rain etc, the teams chances of winning a SB diminish. And I know I'm not alone on this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 People keep thinking Mac will have trouble throwing. Most of his passes are within 5 yards of the LOS. The wind is not going to effect those short throws all that much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I hope the weather stinks I want the wind whipping. I trust Allen in that weather more than Mac Jones. It’ll make the pats one dimensional but not us IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 3 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: I hope the weather stinks I want the wind whipping. I trust Allen in that weather more than Mac Jones. It’ll make the pats one dimensional but not us IMO Not sure I agree with this. Bills with Allen have a substantial advantage in the passing game. A very very windy night severely limits the Bills passing game. A guess it depends on how windy it is. Jones doesn't really throw the ball deep. The short dinks and dunks might not be as subject to the wind. The Patriots are more built on running the football. The Bills have to limit their running game. I doubt think Jones will be able to beat the Bills with his arm. I think a perfect weather game would be more beneficial to the Bills. 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: People keep thinking Mac will have trouble throwing. Most of his passes are within 5 yards of the LOS. The wind is not going to effect those short throws all that much. Bingo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Why do you hate to say it? It's the truth. We ask Josh to be heroic even though he historically struggles in wind and rain. We ask Josh to be 50% of our pathetic run game. The majority seem to be insistent on keeping that open stadium experience, and I get it. And building a dome will cost an extra 500M. But deep down I just feel if JA plays the next 10+ years in this constant wind, rain etc, the teams chances of winning a SB diminish. And I know I'm not alone on this. No dome for me. As an older generation guy, I associate bad weather with Bills games. It would seem somewhat artificial if the Bills played in a dome. Can anyone imagine Pitt, Green Bay, or Chicago playing in a dome? Just doesn't seem like the football I know and love. 15 hours ago, Mat68 said: I think teams are a little smarter than that. I expect they have run schemes for this game. They also have passing concepts they like. I could see them leaning into one vs the other. This week more runs and more Allen under center. I think we are going to see lots of new plays and formations from the Bills. I believe coach McDermott will play to win and not get conservative. Lots does depend on the weather too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Why do you hate to say it? It's the truth. We ask Josh to be heroic even though he historically struggles in wind and rain. We ask Josh to be 50% of our pathetic run game. The majority seem to be insistent on keeping that open stadium experience, and I get it. And building a dome will cost an extra 500M. But deep down I just feel if JA plays the next 10+ years in this constant wind, rain etc, the teams chances of winning a SB diminish. And I know I'm not alone on this. good morning 🙂 Im glad we agree with my post I am generally a glass half full poster so yeah I dont like posting what I consider detriment to #17 Would/could #17 be even more heroic in a dome? with no weather impediments? Probably!! Man I just am not at all sure that a dome would ever really be a TRUE option based on financial realities. **cringe** Ive posted about this....a girl can dream. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 8:09 AM, Since1981 said: Josh will have 100+ yd rushing day. Because Belacheat will take away mid passes, 30 mph wind take away long passes, our run game is sad. I think this is a possibility as well. 100 yards on the ground for Allen would go a long way towards a Bills victory. But the Patriots have been pretty good on stopping Allen's rushing threat. He did attempt 10 rushes in the first Patriots game last year that featured high winds. I would also consider this a highly important game as far as regular season games go. It will have a similar "must win" feel as a playoff game. And while it is a small sample size, Allen averages about 2 more rushing attempts per game in his four playoff games then he does in regular season games. Over 10 attempts on the ground for Allen could be a good bet. His career high was 14 against the Jets in the 2020 season opener. Possible he could eclipse that number if the Bills find themselves in a close game and Allen is having some success on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 7:49 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This isn’t another weather or dome thread— I promise! in light of what is expected to be extraordinarily windy conditions on MNF, how do you think each team’s roster and gameplan changes, if at all? Here are a few thoughts I have had: 1) patriots defense goes back to man. From everything I have read, the Pats have gone increasingly zone (cover 2 shell, cover 4) over the last several weeks. With heavy wind, I would expect they could revert to man and loaded boxes— taking away the run and everything short and actually giving us the deep stuff. 2) Bills change up personnel and focus on run game. I am predicting that the Bills for the first time activate DS, Moss, and Breida for the same game, and that we may see two of the three in the backfield at the same time. This may be stating the obvious, but out of necessity, I would expect a run heavy offense. Lots of two TE formations. Lots of sweeps. Designed QB runs. Are you sure this isn’t a carefully disguised weather thread wrapped up in a dome wish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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