SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Referee Brad Allen’s crew assigned to officiate Saints-Bills game https://www.yahoo.com/sports/referee-brad-allen-crew-assigned-183333110.html Brad Allen’s crew has averaged the third-fewest penalty flags per game this season (11.56) and the fifth-fewest penalty yards (102.67), with more penalties going against the visiting team (6.67) than the home team (4.89) on average each week. Most of their attention has focused on the offensive line, with 19 holding fouls and 16 false starts flagged this season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Is that the ref thats always invited to Tom Brady's family get together's? Or is that someone else? 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 More penalties against the visiting team...how does that help us? It doesn't matter anyway. All these crews are garbage and simply doing what the NFL tells them to do. Any discipline on Correntte? Of course not. We're not getting any ref love the rest of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Maybe he will favor his namesake on such a family day as Thanksgiving? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: More penalties against the visiting team...how does that help us? It doesn't matter anyway. All these crews are garbage and simply doing what the NFL tells them to do. Any discipline on Correntte? Of course not. We're not getting any ref love the rest of this season. I bet it is every NFL ref crew has more penalties on the visitors. Think about the crown noise and jumping offside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Referee Brad Allen’s crew assigned to officiate Saints-Bills game https://www.yahoo.com/sports/referee-brad-allen-crew-assigned-183333110.html Brad Allen’s crew has averaged the third-fewest penalty flags per game this season (11.56) and the fifth-fewest penalty yards (102.67), with more penalties going against the visiting team (6.67) than the home team (4.89) on average each week. Most of their attention has focused on the offensive line, with 19 holding fouls and 16 false starts flagged this season. Not sure if this is good news. Bills are 6th in the league for the most offensive holding penalties. Bills are 2nd in the league for the most false start penalties. https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, Gugny said: Not sure if this is good news. Bills are 6th in the league for the most offensive holding penalties. Bills are 2nd in the league for the most false start penalties. https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2021 when the opponent has the 🏈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 16 hours ago, Gugny said: Not sure if this is good news. Bills are 6th in the league for the most offensive holding penalties. Bills are 2nd in the league for the most false start penalties. https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2021 The offensive line is offensive 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 The fact this is even an article shows how much refs have become an accepted major part of the game. That’s sad. he did call OPI on the colts in the snow game a couple years ago. so I’ve got nothing against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Itchy trigger flag fingers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 20 hours ago, DJB said: Is that the ref thats always invited to Tom Brady's family get together's? Or is that someone else? I thought that was the whole ref crew? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: More penalties against the visiting team...how does that help us? It doesn't matter anyway. All these crews are garbage and simply doing what the NFL tells them to do. Any discipline on Correntte? Of course not. We're not getting any ref love the rest of this season. At a 7-5 ratio I would take that even with 10yds thats only 70 for the game to 50 or even 25 if all the home side got was 5yds. That would be livable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 19 hours ago, Gugny said: Not sure if this is good news. Bills are 6th in the league for the most offensive holding penalties. Bills are 2nd in the league for the most false start penalties. https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2021 McDermott is undoubtedly the best Bills coach since Marv Levy -- but it is concerning that the Bills have been among league leaders in penalties every year since he got here 2018 6th in number of penalties/ 5th in yards / 9th in false starts 2019 8th/14th/2nd (tie) 2020 6th/5th/4th (tie) 2021 6th/6th/2nd For someone who preaches process, you would expect penalties, especially false starts, to decrease. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The offensive line is offensive I respect you so much for the insight you bring and the obvious work you put in analyzing this team. So, please tell me what you believe is wrong with the OL. It surely isn't just five guys who forgot how to play, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: I respect you so much for the insight you bring and the obvious work you put in analyzing this team. So, please tell me what you believe is wrong with the OL. It surely isn't just five guys who forgot how to play, is it? So with Dion I think he isn't in his best shape. I attributed that to the after effects of covid. We have a centre half at Arsenal, my soccer club, who had covid at Christmas last year and he was never right the rest of last season and his form suffered. Took a full summer break of conditioning to get himself back to where he was. Having said that I think either Hapless or YOLO was saying that the rumours about Dion being out of condition started earlier in the offseason before he got covid and questions were asked about his lifestyle. He hasn't been close to his form from the last season and half though this year. Darryl Williams has also regressed. He was so solid for us at tackle last year and is a former 2nd team all pro right tackle while in Carolina so his downturn in form is concerning. Is he just an up and down player who has a good year followed by a bad year, or is there something more serious going on? At guard they were not good last year and the teams with good interior pass rush caused them problems. But week to week it is easier to hide bad guard play with good tackle play (which the Bills had in 2021) - especially in pass protection where most teams are designed to pressure from the edge. Where you need your guards to perform is in the run game and I think we'd all say that even last year the Bills had issues run blocking inside - and Feliciano (the slimmed down version) has regressed even from where he was at that point. Add to that all the chopping and changing hasn't helped. We have fielded five different starting offensive lines in 10 games (see below) and the longest one single line has stayed intact is three weeks - the line that opened the season. Regression at tackle, underwhelming guard play, an average center and lots of chopping and changing. That is a recipe for the mess we have. Dion - Mongo - Morse - Ford - Williams (Wks 1, 2 and 3) Dion - Ike - Morse - Williams - Brown (Wk 4 and 10) Dion - Mongo - Morse - Williams - Brown (Wks 5 and 6) Dion - Ike - Morse - Mongo - Brown (Wk 😎 Dion - Ike - Morse - Ford - Williams (Wks 9 and 11) 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 10:55 AM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Referee Brad Allen’s crew assigned to officiate Saints-Bills game https://www.yahoo.com/sports/referee-brad-allen-crew-assigned-183333110.html Brad Allen’s crew has averaged the third-fewest penalty flags per game this season (11.56) and the fifth-fewest penalty yards (102.67), with more penalties going against the visiting team (6.67) than the home team (4.89) on average each week. Most of their attention has focused on the offensive line, with 19 holding fouls and 16 false starts flagged this season. The holding calls could be a concern but Offside and false starts are not judgement so it sounds like a good crew. Hell as long as they don't move the sticks and try to measure after that fact I am good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) These refs could literally call holding on every play, I see teams holding our D-line ALL OF THE TIME, but it is never called. I remember one Patriots game where Jerry Hughes was held nearly the entire game. I'm convinced that the refs hate us. I don't care what anyone thinks about my beliefs. The 2 calls I hate most are offensive holding and pass interference bc u can manipulate them as much as u want. PI is the worst when it's real ticky-tacky as it can alter an entire game. I mean it happens way too frequently. Okay, I'm done complaining 😆 Edited November 24, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 hours ago, HOUSE said: Itchy trigger flag fingers Yeah, they think every time a player makes a movement or says anything that it MUST to be taunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said: Yeah, they think every time a player makes a movement or says anything that it MUST to be taunting! The league told them before the season to clamp down on it. This is how the league wants the game officiating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Darryl Williams has also regressed. He was so solid for us at tackle last year and is a former 2nd team all pro right tackle while in Carolina so his downturn in form is concerning. Is he just an up and down player who has a good year followed by a bad year, or is there something more serious going on? I hate to say this, but ... Williams (age 29) just got paid, and it's going to probably be his last big contract (3 years/$24 million with $13.75 million in guarantees). Football is a rough, rough sport, especially in the trenches, and he wouldn't be the first player to lose a little motivation once he got his last big contract. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I have no other explanation. He's been bad this season on the edge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Billy Claude said: McDermott is undoubtedly the best Bills coach since Marv Levy -- but it is concerning that the Bills have been among league leaders in penalties every year since he got here 2018 6th in number of penalties/ 5th in yards / 9th in false starts 2019 8th/14th/2nd (tie) 2020 6th/5th/4th (tie) 2021 6th/6th/2nd For someone who preaches process, you would expect penalties, especially false starts, to decrease. Up thru this week we have 92 penalties called against us. Dallas has the same. Only Cleveland & Miami has more with 93. Cincinnati has the least with 44 penalties. Find out what that organization is doing right. Edited November 24, 2021 by LABILLBACKER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The league told them before the season to clamp down on it. This is how the league wants the game officiating. I know - was trying to make a funny. Clearly that didn't work. 😢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said: I know - was trying to make a funny. Clearly that didn't work. 😢 I apologise. I suppose I just get used to Bills fans sincerely complaining about refs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: These refs could literally call holding on every play, I see teams holding our D-line ALL OF THE TIME, but it is never called. I remember one Patriots game where Jerry Hughes was held nearly the entire game. I'm convinced that the refs hate us. I don't care what anyone thinks about my beliefs. The 2 calls I hate most are offensive holding and pass interference bc u can manipulate them as much as u want. PI is the worst when it's real ticky-tacky as it can alter an entire game. I mean it happens way too frequently. Okay, I'm done complaining 😆 They need to make offensive holding and offensive pass interference as severe a penalty as defensive holding and pass interference. On those defensive penalties, teams are given a first down and it's a spot foul on DPI. They should make those offensive penalties be an instant 4th down and an offensive PI a negative. If the OPI takes place 25 yards downfield it should be a 25 yard penalty. I'm guessing that in this game that these officials average number of flags thrown a game will rise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Up thru this week we have 92 penalties called against us. Dallas has the same. Only Cleveland & Miami has more with 93. Cincinnati has the least with 44 penalties. Find out what that organization is doing right. It's been four years of finishing near the top of the league in penalties so it must be something the coaching staff is doing or not doing. Some of it maybe that they are coached to be aggressive but false starts are just players not being well prepared. The surprising thing is that Bills did pretty well penalty wise under Rex Ryan -- they were 32nd in false starts in 2016 with 7 and 31st in 2017 with 9. McDermott's first year it was tied for 9th with 21 false starts while keeping 3/5th of the line (Glenn, Woods and Incognito) from the previous year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 4:44 PM, frostbitmic said: They need to make offensive holding and offensive pass interference as severe a penalty as defensive holding and pass interference. On those defensive penalties, teams are given a first down and it's a spot foul on DPI. They should make those offensive penalties be an instant 4th down and an offensive PI a negative. If the OPI takes place 25 yards downfield it should be a 25 yard penalty. I'm guessing that in this game that these officials average number of flags thrown a game will rise. See Cowboys vs Raiders game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 So far so few penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Gimme more Brad allen. Dude runs a tight ship. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 One of the rare games that finished before the 3 hour mark. Rushing the ball has a lot to do with that, but so does the lack of calls and stoppage of play. I’ll take this crew over a flag happy one any day of the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: Gimme more Brad allen. Dude runs a tight ship. guy is my new favorite ref— made the game very watchable. Called only the very blatant stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: guy is my new favorite ref— made the game very watchable. Called only the very blatant stuff. Hell yeah brother. Mine too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: Gimme more Brad allen. Dude runs a tight ship. Not a fan of him allowing Josh Allen to take hits to the knees and head, and the late hits on him all night though. I loved that there were very few penalties, but you gotta protect QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Minus the shot to the back of Josh’s knees, very fluid game. Very enjoyable flow to this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I wish they all called games like this crew. It’s so much more enjoyable to watch when they let them play. Good call by the OP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I didn't like the call on Oliver for roughing the passer. He hit him in the shoulder. They let one on Josh go when Josh was taken out below the knees. Saying that... Id take this ref crew every week. Thought they did a good job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Solid outing by this crew. Hope the Bills cross paths we these guys again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Bferra13 said: Gimme more Brad allen. Dude runs a tight ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 9:55 AM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Referee Brad Allen’s crew assigned to officiate Saints-Bills game https://www.yahoo.com/sports/referee-brad-allen-crew-assigned-183333110.html Brad Allen’s crew has averaged the third-fewest penalty flags per game this season (11.56) and the fifth-fewest penalty yards (102.67), with more penalties going against the visiting team (6.67) than the home team (4.89) on average each week. Most of their attention has focused on the offensive line, with 19 holding fouls and 16 false starts flagged this season. This turned out to be a pretty good indicator of what to expect for this game. I'll have to start paying more attention to these threads, because I loved how this game was called. It wasn't just that we won, the pacing itself was so much better. And not having to watch drive after drive be extended due to some janky call off screen was wonderful. Oh, any kickoff or punt not being an automatic flag was nice too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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