11/21 Colts at Bills, Postgame Postmortem Thread

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I paid to see that and sit in freezing rain while coach ignores Josh's vigorous pleas to go for it on 4th down and instead sends out the FG unit for an ill-fated and ill-conceived attempt. Yeah, the org did not reward its fans today. I booed McDermott hard for the first time. 

 

(Brought back terrible memories of booing Marrone for punting in a similar situation years back...just gutless and uninspired.)

Was also reminiscent of McDs wimpy FG try in the AFCCG last January. He’s conservative even when the situation calls for some risk. 

[jkeerie]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

huh? He said that about this game? 
 

This was a game I would have expected them to really be up for. 

I think McD was talking about the way they played.  Too many mental errors leading to mistakes, penalties etc.  The players were up for the game.  They did not play well and mental errors contributed to their poor play.

[MPT]

3 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Actually McD admitted they were not focused and mentally in the game.  He also said it started with him.  

 

Yeah he pretty much says every week that the team's lack of discipline and focus starts with him. Wonder when he plans on getting on that.

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

Yeah he pretty much says every week that the team's lack of discipline and focus starts with him. Wonder when he plans on getting on that.

I don't doubt he's trying but things really go downhill when this team...especially the defense...experiences adversity.

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Actually McD admitted they were not focused and mentally in the game.  He also said it started with him.  

Same crap he said after the Pitsburg and Jacksonville games. At some point, you have to conclude the team isn't that good. Enough with the excuses coach...

[KeLLy1278]

11 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

The tone of your post, unfortunately, is NOT the norm. I 100% agree that the team is NOT playing well, and that I don't see easy answers moving forward. I booed the hell out of McDermott's decision to kick that FG today, and I'm definitely pissed at how soft the team looks.

 

People can post anything they want, of course. No one gets to tell you how to be a fan. But so many indulge hyperbolic negativity and fatalism, and do so repeatedly, and for what? It's kind of lame. 

 

 

Maybe it is lame.  I agree.  To post the same negativity over and over probably is lame.  However we are all fans and fans care.  No two people root for a team the exact same way.  I think that when it comes right down to it.. performances like today's are what lights a fire for ME.  The lack of effort, execution and sheer carelessness and bad coaching was simply inexcusable.  It was a ****show.  Some fans just turn the page while others say..  hey hey hold up a second, not so fast.. back up!  Why did this happen?  Who is responsible?  When and how will it be fixed?!  Right now no one knows what to expect from this team from week to week.  Not the fans, players, nor the coaching staff. 

[jkeerie]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

Same crap he said after the Pitsburg and Jacksonville games. At some point, you have to conclude the team isn't that good. Enough with the excuses coach...

I don't disagree.  I've already reached that conclusion.  I also think Daboll is holding the offense back with his "one size fits all" game planning.

[BillsDiehard]

Our "next man up" is practice squad fodder at best! Never addressed o-line depth, RB1 or CB2. We'll maybe beat the Jets and Falcons. Hard to justify a new stadium for an 8-9 football team! 

[KeLLy1278]

15 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I paid to see that and sit in freezing rain while coach ignores Josh's vigorous pleas to go for it on 4th down and instead sends out the FG unit for an ill-fated and ill-conceived attempt. Yeah, the org did not reward its fans today. I booed McDermott hard for the first time. 

 

(Brought back terrible memories of booing Marrone for punting in a similar situation years back...just gutless and uninspired.)

You deserved better.  Our fans are some of the best in all of sports.  Sorry you paid to watch that mess. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

This is NOT the attitude the Bills had postgame. There is something seriously wrong with this team right now.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

9 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Maybe it is lame.  I agree.  To post the same negativity over and over probably is lame.  However we are all fans and fans care.  No two people root for a team the exact same way.  I think that when it comes right down to it.. performances like today's are what lights a fire for ME.  The lack of effort, execution and sheer carelessness and bad coaching was simply inexcusable.  It was a ****show.  Some fans just turn the page while others say..  hey hey hold up a second, not so fast.. back up!  Why did this happen?  Who is responsible?  When and how will it be fixed?!  Right now no one knows what to expect from this team from week to week.  Not the fans, players, nor the coaching staff. 

Again, you're too damned reasonable to represent the chicken littles I'm annoyingly annoyed with!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Yes.  How about something like.  
 

“Right now it’s gut check time.  Everyone needs to re-evaluate what they have been doing for the benefit of the TEAM!  The focus isn’t there, the effort at times is NOT there either and that starts with ME!  We played like we missed a month of practice today and I guarantee that this will not happen again!  I apologize to our fans who paid money to see us today.  Now I need to go back to work and get this team ready for the Saints.  I will not allow losses like this one to define the 2021 Buffalo Bills!”

 

How about something like that?!

 

He says it starts with me.

 

He’s never going to throw his players under the bus like that, and he probably can’t 100% control that it won’t happen again.

40 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Absolutely.

 

What would that be?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Wawrow sees it too! This is what I've been saying.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He says it starts with me.

 

He’s never going to throw his players under the bus like that, and he probably can’t 100% control that it won’t happen again.

 

What would that be?

See reply of original poster who brought up the point

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Great post. These are the right questions.

 

I think the underlying assumption that the QB goes into ‘panic mode’ at the first sign of trouble is flawed

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Yeah, to blame this one on the o-line is puzzling. I saw it the same way you did. Cody Ford needs to go but he wasn’t too bad today. Outside of his false start, followed up by Morse’s hold, I didn’t find myself bitching about their play.

 

Those were two awful penalties, though, that took us from converting.a 3rd down to “out of FG range and scrapping to get into it”

[buffblue]

29 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

Our "next man up" is practice squad fodder at best! Never addressed o-line depth, RB1 or CB2. We'll maybe beat the Jets and Falcons. Hard to justify a new stadium for an 8-9 football team! 

Agree except for the last part.

 

For some reason, McBeane thought that simply resigning guys from last year was the ticket. There is no correlation, and as the old saying goes, if you're not getting better you're getting worse

[Doc Brown]

34 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

Our "next man up" is practice squad fodder at best! Never addressed o-line depth, RB1 or CB2. We'll maybe beat the Jets and Falcons. Hard to justify a new stadium for an 8-9 football team! 

We're 6-4 and the decision to build a new football stadium is irrelevant to the Bills current performance.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

22 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Wawrow sees it too! This is what I've been saying.

 

 

See reply of original poster who brought up the point

“sense of entitlement”— I don’t understand what he means. I don’t really see that at all. 

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Yup, and Josh should have had a a second INT on their second possession. I was happy it was overturned, but I don’t know why. Regardless, it was a clearly interceptable pass. He had a bad game.

Because it hit the ground it’s kind of a rule 😜

[Billznut]

4 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Agree except for the last part.

 

For some reason, McBeane thought that simply resigning guys from last year was the ticket. There is no correlation, and as the old saying goes, if you're not getting better you're getting worse

I honestly can’t fault Beane’s thinking after last year going 13-3 and then 2 playoff wins that we were close and that “keeping the band together” made the most sense. Especially with the cap going down. Now if this year ends up being the shi*show it currently looks like and they either miss the playoffs or are one and done, I would be shocked if there are not major personnel changes by next season. 

[buffblue]

Just now, Billznut said:

I honestly can’t fault Beane’s thinking after last year going 13-3 and then 2 playoff wins that we were close and that “keeping the band together” made the most sense. Especially with the cap going down. Now if this year ends up being the shi*show it currently looks like and they either miss the playoffs or are one and done, I would be shocked if there are not major personnel changes by next season. 

Fair enough, and it better start on the offensive side of the ball. Allen simply shoulders more of the load than any other qb in football.

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Fair enough, and it better start on the offensive side of the ball. Allen simply shoulders more of the load than any other qb in football.

Daboll seems to insist on that.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

I don't disagree.  I've already reached that conclusion.  I also think Daboll is holding the offense back with his "one size fits all" game planning.

Seems like the offense has become exposed. Good defensive teams will most likely be able to contain and or shut down the Bills attack. The blueprint is pretty obvious. Don't respect the run game and pressure Allen relentlessly. Daboll and company have made some changes and adjustments with little success. Ultimately, we the fans like to criticise the coaches, players, play calling, etc... Imho, it's becoming more clear with each game the Bills offensive line wows and lack of running game are significant. Of course, the inability to consistently stop the run as well. It's a personnel and scheme issue. Schemes, play calling, and coaching are very important. Look no further to the Patriots for that. Blelicheck is doing it again. In concluding, it seems like the Billls coaching staff are not able to adjust their game plans which utilizes the players best traits and skills. How long did it take for Brieda to get involved in the offense? Also, there is a failure at the top for the issues on both sides of the line. Clearly, the Bills brass sold out on improving the Dline at the expense of the Oline. 

 

Lots of football to play. Bill's still control there own destiny. Hoping things change for the better in a hurry. Perhaps my expectations of this team were unrealistic. 

[DrPJax]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

With the amount of money and draft picks invested in the d-line, and the defense generally, they have precious little to show for it when it’s time to man up and beat a physical offense.

This is a passionless , PC CORRECT  team where no one is allowed to hold others accountable!  We will be told again, there are some plays we want back , and hey , 24 hour rule and it’s only one game!  Passion has been coached out of this team and under performing is just ignored!   Who cares if you lose because you MUST FORGET it in 24 hours and we have SO MANY MORE GAMES TO play!  Meanwhile Belicheck has a less talented , rookie lead team now ahead and in control of their own destiny !  Truly one if the worst coaching performances by a Bills team in quite a while. Another blow out loss to add to the list of those during mcds tenure. This is looking like poor talent evaluation in free agency , and lack of holding coordinators , assistant coaches responsible in a one dimensional offense and a very soft d against QUALITY  running teams.  I don’t see how anyone can still remain in denial that we will achieve our goals of home playoff games and A SB  appearance.  Josh continues to make critical mistakes unless he is playing with a lead. Herbert looks like the real deal while I am beginning to think Dabolls lack to help with any run support is resulting in Josh regressing as our record speaks to our true potential.  Time after time we see Josh take bad sacks while in possible fg position.  It’s was an embarrassment to give up 5 tds at home to THE ONE GUY WE ALL KNEW HAD TO BE CONTAINED , yet the Bills allow themselves once again to be the butt of jokes on a national stage!   Anyone really confident we beat the saints?  The pats look like a legit team as this team throws up losses to the Jags and a fairly one dimensional colts team at home!  
 

 

 
But hey , it’s only one game, and don’t think about it longer than 24 hours!   One thing this team has mastered, clichés!   That’s one thing that is certain to last longer than 24 hours!  😉😊

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I just looked it up.  It was 3rd and 18 from the Indy 43.  Yes, that’s the point - if we could get back 10 or 12 yds we nave a makeable FG.

 

 

 

This kills me and I see it week after week. A team has third and long in the outskirts of FG range. The D blitzes. Instead of trying to get a few yards for a FG, the QB does a 5 step drop and gets sacked or throws a pick or whatever putting them out of FG range.

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The trick is asking him about a long snapper.

 

Or wrestling.

[Milanos Milano]

8 hours ago, buffalonian said:

Everything is great; “We are in the hunt.”  

Grazing for grass? Lol 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Seems like the offense has become exposed. Good defensive teams will most likely be able to contain and or shut down the Bills attack. The blueprint is pretty obvious. Don't respect the run game and pressure Allen relentlessly. Daboll and company have made some changes and adjustments with little success. Ultimately, we the fans like to criticise the coaches, players, play calling, etc... Imho, it's becoming more clear with each game the Bills offensive line wows and lack of running game are significant. Of course, the inability to consistently stop the run as well. It's a personnel and scheme issue. Schemes, play calling, and coaching are very important. Look no further to the Patriots for that. Blelicheck is doing it again. In concluding, it seems like the Billls coaching staff are not able to adjust their game plans which utilizes the players best traits and skills. How long did it take for Brieda to get involved in the offense? Also, there is a failure at the top for the issues on both sides of the line. Clearly, the Bills brass sold out on improving the Dline at the expense of the Oline. 

 

Lots of football to play. Bill's still control there own destiny. Hoping things change for the better in a hurry. Perhaps my expectations of this team were unrealistic. 

 

We have a self imposed lack of a run game. Today we had 11 hand offs to RBs for 73 yards.  North of 6.5 per carry.  We are tied for 6th in the league in YPC at 4.7.

 

It's not that we can't run, we choose not to.

 

The pass game when on works better, I get that. But it also makes us one dimensional which was our Waterloo last year. Also allows teams to do to you what Indy did this week and Jacksonville 2 weeks ago.

Edited November 22, 2021 by reddogblitz

[KeLLy1278]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

This is a passionless , PC CORRECT  team where no one is allowed to hold others accountable!  We will be told again, there are some plays we want back , and hey , 24 hour rule and it’s only one game!  Passion has been coached out of this team and under performing is just ignored!   Who cares if you lose because you MUST FORGET it in 24 hours and we have SO MANY MORE GAMES TO play!  Meanwhile Belicheck has a less talented , rookie lead team now ahead and in control of their own destiny !  Truly one if the worst coaching performances by a Bills team in quite a while. Another blow out loss to add to the list of those during mcds tenure. This is looking like poor talent evaluation in free agency , and lack of holding coordinators , assistant coaches responsible in a one dimensional offense and a very soft d against QUALITY  running teams.  I don’t see how anyone can still remain in denial that we will achieve our goals of home playoff games and A SB  appearance.  Josh continues to make critical mistakes unless he is playing with a lead. Herbert looks like the real deal while I am beginning to think Dabolls lack to help with any run support is resulting in Josh regressing as our record speaks to our true potential.  Time after time we see Josh take bad sacks while in possible fg position.  It’s was an embarrassment to give up 5 tds at home to THE ONE GUY WE ALL KNEW HAD TO BE CONTAINED , yet the Bills allow themselves once again to be the butt of jokes on a national stage!   Anyone really confident we beat the saints?  The pats look like a legit team as this team throws up losses to the Jags and a fairly one dimensional colts team at home!  
 

 

 
But hey , it’s only one game, and don’t think about it longer than 24 hours!   One thing this team has mastered, clichés!   That’s one thing that is certain to last longer than 24 hours!  😉😊

Nailed it!  People have the nerve to compare this team to a team that had Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, Don Beebe, James Lofton, Thurman Thomas, Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Steve Tasker & Marv Levy.
 

It’s hard not to laugh.  

[ShakAttack]

10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t know how you could feel good about winning any of the upcoming games. This team has played like ***** since Josh slipped in Tennessee. There’s not an upcoming game in the next month that I feel good about. The playoffs are in serious question 

but Cynthia Freuland said we had a 98% chance to make playoffs before Sunday! As if we weren’t playing like sh*t and had the 7th toughest remaining schedule.

 

WHEN we don’t make it, hope the Bills are the reason we don’t have to look at her ridiculous “advanced stat” playoff percentages ever again.

Edited November 22, 2021 by BobBelcher

[newcam2012]

Why do I have a sick feeling that the Patriots are going to dominate the Bills?

[Nextmanup]

52 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Why do I have a sick feeling that the Patriots are going to dominate the Bills?

Because they just did that for the last 20 years?

 

Maybe?

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Nailed it!  People have the nerve to compare this team to a team that had Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, Don Beebe, James Lofton, Thurman Thomas, Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Steve Tasker & Marv Levy.
 

It’s hard not to laugh.  

They didn't do anything either.

 

 

[GreggTX]

 

We need to get tougher in the trenches. We've not gotten the best returns on our OL and DL. We just get manhandled by a more physical team.

 

I'm also concerned for Daboll. We ran the ball 8 times? Did I hear that right?

Edited November 22, 2021 by GreggTX

[JMF2006]

I knew it was going to be a rough day when one DB held Gabby while the other intercepted the pass and there was no flag.

 

[ALF]

That game might have been different under a roof. Josh throwing zingers in the rain are harder to catch, same with field goals.

[AmishRifle]

And the spirited discussion continues before we even make 7am on the East Coast.

 

I agree with the statements above reference passion, or the lack of it.  Sometimes you can’t get traction without friction.  The leaders on this team need to step up and lead us out of this.  
 

Lastly, I completely disagree with the sentiment that we need to fire coaches in season.  Nothing good would come of that.  My thought is that the NFL is a pendulum and that it swings back and forth on the style of play and specific schemes that are in vogue.  Personally, I think the game is beginning to swing back towards a balanced offensive approach as many defenses have moved to lighter pass rushers and LBers to defend the pass.  There are not a lot of thumpers left in the league due to their vulnerability in the pass game.  The league is changing and we need to as well….just not as quick as many would like.

[North Buffalo]

Signing Sanders in retrospect may have been a mistake... not enough balls to go around, throws the rhythm of the other guys off, especially when the O line isn't good enough.  Would have been better investing in O line.... Up the middle on D line... wow they got blown of the ball, need another stud linebacker... Breida seems serviceable but running back by committee isn't working.  Injuries killed them and Colts took advantage.  Just my opinion.

Edited November 22, 2021 by North Buffalo

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the underlying assumption that the QB goes into ‘panic mode’ at the first sign of trouble is flawed

On what basis?

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, ALF said:

That game might have been different under a roof. Josh throwing zingers in the rain are harder to catch, same with field goals.

A lot of things could of made it different. Maybe if we took the first kickoff we would of scored first and put the pressure in them. Sadly we were down 24-7, our O only stepped on the field twice and really had no problems moving the ball until the damn penalties. I don’t know. That game just got of hand way too quick and for the most part the O was in the sidelines. 
 

A roof would of helped as well. Bass probably hit that late first half FG and make it more respectable at half

Edited November 22, 2021 by BananaB

[HOUSE]

I told you guys I was not ready for this game, see what happens?