LABILLBACKER Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 This is where I wish we had Hollister over Gilliam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Anyone know when a team has to place a player on IR in order for the next game they would have played (if not on IR) to count? Pretty certain on Saturday preceeding game, ie: same timing if we were to call up a player from PS usually by 4pm preceeding a 1pm kickoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Pretty certain on Saturday preceeding game, ie: same timing if we were to call up a player from PS usually by 4pm preceeding a 1pm kickoff That makes sense to me So Bills have no motivation to tip their hand with IR or PS callups until Saturday Oct 30th, by which time they will have a lot of info on how Knox hand is healing. 39 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: This is where I wish we had Hollister over Gilliam. This is where we find out if Beane & Co knew what TF they were doing when they kept Sweeney over Hollister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Finally learns to catch the ball and then breaks his hand. Sign Tebow and trade him for Hollister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Sitting on the Bills practice squad TE Kahale Warring, 6'5" 242lbs - drafted in the 3rd round of the 2019 draft. Kahale Warring TE San Diego State - Draft Player Profile | The Draft Network Kahale Warring Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com Kahale Warring NFL Draft 2019: Scouting Report for Houston Texans' Pick | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights draft rhetoric........".....Exciting and ascending, Warring is still a relative newcomer to the game, but he has the size, speed and athleticism to become a versatile, high-impact player on the pro level. He has the competitiveness to handle run-blocking duties and the talent to line up in the slot..." sounds good to me. (not sure why links didn't embed just titles ack) m Edited October 21, 2021 by Muppy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Muppy said: Sitting on the Bills practice squad TE Kahale Warring, 6'5" 242lbs - drafted in the 3rd round of the 2019 draft. Kahale Warring TE San Diego State - Draft Player Profile | The Draft Network Kahale Warring Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com Kahale Warring NFL Draft 2019: Scouting Report for Houston Texans' Pick | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights draft rhetoric........".....Exciting and ascending, Warring is still a relative newcomer to the game, but he has the size, speed and athleticism to become a versatile, high-impact player on the pro level. He has the competitiveness to handle run-blocking duties and the talent to line up in the slot..." sounds good to me. (not sure why links didn't embed just titles ack) m The mystery on Kahale Warring is why, for a 3rd round pick higher than Knox from the same draft, he's contributed so little. We kvetched about Knox in 2019 and 2020, Warring makes him look prolific. KW spent 2019 on Texans IR with a concussion (not usually a season ending injury, so probably a "stash") and the first 2 months of 2020 on IR before doing...not much. 7 targets in 7 games, 3 catches for 35 yds. Waived at the end of 2021 camp. Had the distinction of being waived by 3 teams in 10 days this Aug/Sept before the Bills signed him to their PS. It sounds as though he's very raw, maybe more raw than Knox which is a scary thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That leaves us with just Tommy Sweeney for the time being. Hope he steps up. Wonder who comes up from the Practice Squad? Is it Quintin Morris or Kahale Warring? Warring is intriguing. He was taken the same year and same round as Dawson, but drafted higher. With us bringing him on our Squad post Training Camp - he was obviously someone Beane liked coming out. Wonder if he would have been taken instead of Dawson Knox if he were still on the board? Warring was a similar type prospect back then but the issues he has had mean he hasn't had the on field development that Dawson has. I suspect what they do is not promoted anyone if Dawson is not going on IR and instead just use their free elevations for Warring and Morris while Sweeney starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 also notice that Josh could have kept it and run that one in around the right-side of the D fairly easily, this was also our last scoring play, no points in 4th qtr despite moving the ball fairly well...the last play where Josh got stopped had no element of surprise and Simmons sold-out on it; RPO, tackle eligible, roll-to-the-right and run or throw,etc...sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: IT'S SWEENEY TIME!!!!!!!! Edited October 21, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 hours ago, Maynard said: I broke my hand a few years ago. Had to have 3 pins inserted as well. I never had a cast and was told to get moving it around immediately. I was good to go in 3-4 weeks with me exercising it constantly. I separated the bones between my pinky and index finger in my hand. Granted, I wasn’t catching balls from Allen, but was lifting weights and doing things normally again within 3-4 weeks. Exact thing happened to me some years back. People always say "pins" but usually means screws. I had 3 small screws implanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Estro said: They're not going to IR him. IR is 3 games missed not weeks, which is too long for this injury. Dr. CHAO who I follow on twitter says there's a chance he could eb back in time for our next game vs. The Dolphins if not likely the following week. Perhaps the Bills play it safe and sit him another gane, but it sounds like Dolpphons or the week after is likely. The next three games are Dolphins, Jags, Jets. I don't think we need to rush Knox back for those games. IR him, let him recover fully, and let's see what Warring or Sweeney can do in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: This alone makes me want to buy a Knox jersey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: If I'm reading those hands correctly, he spoke a bit too soon... for this game, anyway but I do like the Bud Adams reference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Exact thing happened to me some years back. People always say "pins" but usually means screws. I had 3 small screws implanted. Any complications? Any screws loose? * 🤔😇 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Any complications? Any screws loose? * 🤔😇 Nope. Dr. recommended leaving them in. It's been 20 years now with no issues. When I had the surgery I was playing a lot of guitar back then (finger board hand) and he told me no "physical therapy" could be better than that. He had me playing the next week. Side note: My company manufactured the screws and my best friend was the lead man for the area that made those particular screws! I told him they better work after the surgery and they did. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 23 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That leaves us with just Tommy Sweeney for the time being. Hope he steps up. Wonder who comes up from the Practice Squad? Is it Quintin Morris or Kahale Warring? Warring is intriguing. He was taken the same year and same round as Dawson, but drafted higher. With us bringing him on our Squad post Training Camp - he was obviously someone Beane liked coming out. Wonder if he would have been taken instead of Dawson Knox if he were still on the board? I really liked Morris' play at BGSU, he seems to replace the pass catching ability that we lose with Knox. Warring is also intreaguing. I also wonder if we see Gilliam lined up at TE? 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: what is this from? Is he really flipping someone off? Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb386 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, Muppy said: okay bills brethren whose with me.........1----2-----3-----G R O A N N N lolol :-)) Well, I figured someone had to mention Ertz. It seems mandatory at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I really liked Morris' play at BGSU, he seems to replace the pass catching ability that we lose with Knox. Warring is also intreaguing. I also wonder if we see Gilliam lined up at TE? what is this from? Is he really flipping someone off? Who? This is from when he threw the pass for the 2 pt conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I’m not concerned. The next somewhat competitive threat and I use loosely is the Colts and then Saints. Knox will be fine and I hope McD does what he tends to do and better to keep him out one more week to make sure he is good down the stretch. Enjoy the rest Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I’m not concerned. The next somewhat competitive threat and I use loosely is the Colts and then Saints. Knox will be fine and I hope McD does what he tends to do and better to keep him out one more week to make sure he is good down the stretch. Enjoy the rest Knox. He’s not easily replaced and they are thin at the position - they will need to adjust the offense but every team has injuries they need to overcome, coaches and depth players need to step up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s not easily replaced and they are thin at the position - they will need to adjust the offense but every team has injuries they need to overcome, coaches and depth players need to step up Yolo, I wouldn’t be surprised if they creatively use Gilliam as a RB, FB, or TE. He’s versatile and no opposing defense knows enough about him to predict how he will be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: what is this from? Is he really flipping someone off? Who? If this is real and he's flipping off Vrabel, Knox is my new hero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Knox is the #3 TE on nfl.com this week. Quote The breakout tight end of the year has arrived as the bronze medal winner! Knox has been excellent for Buffalo this season, leading all tight ends with five touchdown catches and currently ranking second in yards per reception (13.6). Knox's emergence hasn't come by coincidence, as coordinator Brian Daboll has been capitalizing on his versatility by aligning him in the slot. And Knox has produced, leading tight ends in yards per target (14.5) and yards per reception (20) from that spot. Those marks are the best for any tight end with a minimum of 10 slot targets in any season going back to 2018. Knox's athleticism was on full display on a touchdown run that ended up being wiped out by a holding call in Buffalo's loss to Tennessee on Monday Night Football, but it's clear the Bills haven't avoided utilizing him in a variety of scenarios to put points on the board. With only 27 targets, Knox is scoring nearly once every five receptions. That's some excellent efficiency from a guy most folks didn't know by name prior to 2021. He'll surely be missed for however long he's out with a broken hand. nfl.com/top-10-tight-ends 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: This is where I wish we had Hollister over Gilliam. why can't the Bills line up Tommy Doyle (or one of the other o linemen) at TE? Using an extra linemen should help out in the run blocking you would think. You can also line him up on the side of the line where the better pass rushers are coming from for extra help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 If it were me, I would work around it. IR Knox. Put another WR on the field like Davis instead. Get Stevenson off IR and see if he has anything he can do to contribute somewhere on this team. I think McKenzie has been just fine as a returner though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Now is as good a time to have this happen as we could have planned for, here’s to a quick healing hand bone👍. Sweeney in theory will get more reps, he appears to have good hands and Josh didn’t have a problem throwing a TD pass to him last game, he’s a big boy and will fill in nicely, as they say, next man up, Go Bills!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: An hour after the game, I saw that ball hanging on a hook in the window of a Chinese restaurant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_D Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) I'm hearing RUMORS that Hollister is coming back for a draft pick. Again RUMOR Edited October 22, 2021 by the_D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, the_D said: I'm hearing RUMORS that Hollister is coming back for a draft pick. Again RUMOR Was it this? Just a trade proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Was it this? Just a trade proposal I mean it makes a lot of sense since he knows the system, but at the same time what happens when Knox is back? Are we trading picks for a guy we'd cut when he comes back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean it makes a lot of sense since he knows the system, but at the same time what happens when Knox is back? Are we trading picks for a guy we'd cut when he comes back? This. If they thought Hollister was a better #2 TE than Sweeney they would have kept Hollister and cut or traded Sweeney. It would be silly to make that decision in August and then spend a pick to get him back in Oct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Nope. Dr. recommended leaving them in. It's been 20 years now with no issues. When I had the surgery I was playing a lot of guitar back then (finger board hand) and he told me no "physical therapy" could be better than that. He had me playing the next week. Side note: My company manufactured the screws and my best friend was the lead man for the area that made those particular screws! I told him they better work after the surgery and they did. LOL. What did you break. I broke my thumb base of it twenty years ago. They stuck 2 K wires in it for four weeks. Had them sticking out of my hand. At end of 4 weeks they unscrewed them... weird feeling still remember. Every once in a while when the weather changes I get and ache like now... but no strength lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: I mean it makes a lot of sense since he knows the system, but at the same time what happens when Knox is back? Are we trading picks for a guy we'd cut when he comes back? Agreed. I think what they are going to do is use Gilliam when they need to as the second TE, but probably run a lot more 4 WR sets. I, for one, am Looking forward to seeing Gabe Davis get some more Snaps while Knox is out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The next opponent is Miami, a train wreck of a team but one that has two great CBs. Using four WRs to be sure someone's open seems like a good approach. I still think the best thing is to IR Knox. The next three opponents are all lousy, and the Bills should not need him to win easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 5:59 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Don't take this as a problem as the thread had kind of drifted, but the info is already here: Let the record show we had the gouge that Knox was in surgery and expected to be out 3-4 weeks while McDermott was giving his Tuesday interview, waiting for updates. 👍 It really depends on what was broken. If it is the scaffoid in the wrist or the fifth metacarpal (boxers fracture) and it was pinned ( they put a screw in) he could return pretty fast depending on his pain threshold and if they determine they need him. The screw will hold everything in place but any bang is going to hurt like hell. My guess is he got stepped on in one of the earlier scrums and it could be any of the other metacarpals. That being said it is all about pain threshold. Make him a hockey player... stitch him back up and send him back on the ice... err green. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Exact thing happened to me some years back. People always say "pins" but usually means screws. I had 3 small screws implanted. I never had screws actually. These were pin like, although maybe the wrong word. Once the bones had started to fuse back together they yanked the pins right out. Of course every injury is different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, North Buffalo said: It really depends on what was broken. If it is the scaffoid in the wrist or the fifth metacarpal (boxers fracture) and it was pinned ( they put a screw in) he could return pretty fast depending on his pain threshold and if they determine they need him. The screw will hold everything in place but any bang is going to hurt like hell. My guess is he got stepped on in one of the earlier scrums and it could be any of the other metacarpals. That being said it is all about pain threshold. Make him a hockey player... stitch him back up and send him back on the ice... err green. Hockey players don't need to catch passes from Josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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