Gugny Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) I'll preface with sharing my opinion that I think Beane is a fantastic GM and that I've liked the vast majority of his early round picks. But reading various topics and comments here, I feel like the general sentiment on this board is that Beane's only decent pick has been Josh Allen. According to many, the list of busts include (but is not limited to): Moss, Singletary, Knox, Edmunds, Ford, Oliver and Phillips. Maybe I'm a homer; but it's more likely that some people/"fans," are just impossible to please. Edited October 20, 2021 by Gugny Removed White as a Beane pick. 9 2 6 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 White wasn’t a Beane pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 He has done a very good job up to this point. He along with McDermott have built a winning culture. The Bills record over the last 4 years with roster he built along with coaching prove that. No matter how this season plays out I just hope Beane focuses on the OL this coming offseason in FA and the draft. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with sharing my opinion that I think Beane is a fantastic GM and that I've liked the vast majority of his early round picks. But reading various topics and comments here, I feel like the general sentiment on this board is that Beane's only decent picks have been Josh Allen and Tre White. According to many, the list of busts include (but is not limited to): Moss, Singletary, Knox, Edmunds, Ford, Oliver and Phillips. Maybe I'm a homer; but it's more likely that some people/"fans," are just impossible to please. I think it all depends what your criteria for a successful pick given their draft status. IMO you need to have reasonable expectations. I think it’s fair to question why a Top 10 draft pick like Ed Oliver hasn’t made more of an impact over the first 3 years of his career. Or why a 2nd round selection like Cody Ford can’t crack the starting lineup. Calling backs like Moss or Singletary “busts” despite being productive as 3rd round picks seems a little unfair. All GM’s have had mixed success with the draft, so I think that Bills fans sometimes lose sight of that. Edited October 20, 2021 by JohnNord 6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with sharing my opinion that I think Beane is a fantastic GM and that I've liked the vast majority of his early round picks. But reading various topics and comments here, I feel like the general sentiment on this board is that Beane's only decent picks have been Josh Allen and Tre White. According to many, the list of busts include (but is not limited to): Moss, Singletary, Knox, Edmunds, Ford, Oliver and Phillips. Maybe I'm a homer; but it's more likely that some people/"fans," are just impossible to please. It's also likely that some fans have not idea what is being asked of players in the team. Every player you listed that some fans have issue with (outside of Ford IMO) do an amazing job of playing their 1/11th when called upon. Amazes me that with so many "busts" and "bad players" we aren't the Detroit Lions: AFC Edition. 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: I think it all depends what your criteria for a successful pick given their draft status. IMO you need to have reasonable expectations. I think it’s fair to question why a Top 10 draft pick like Ed Oliver hasn’t made more of an impact over the first 3 years of his career. Or why a 2nd round selection like Cody Ford can’t crack the starting lineup. Calling backs like Moss or Singletary “busts” despite being productive as 3rd round picks seems a little unfair. All GM’s have had mixed success with the draft, so I think that Bills fans sometimes lose sight of that. What constitutes “productive”? Neither were productive last season. Both look improved this season but I’d prefer more production out of my 3rd rd picks than what we’ve gotten from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I for one love watching our high draft capital D linemen and D ends constantly do absolutely nothing to change a game (sans Rousseau) while being healthy scratches.. Same goes for Ford, Cody. #rolleyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 jfc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Well they lost by 3 points so of course some people will think his picks all suck. If they win after the bye week his picks will be mostly great again. I'm surprised Allen is still a good QB after he failed to get the first down 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Not every player drafted is going to be a hit. No teams do that. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Have we forgotten the Bass-o-matic? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, NewEra said: What constitutes “productive”? Neither were productive last season. Both look improved this season but I’d prefer more production out of my 3rd rd picks than what we’ve gotten from them They've been productive given their physical limitations and lack of touches. I don't think they're great, obviously, but they've given us okay production for 3rd round draft picks. People love to hate on Devin, but he's averaging over 5 ypc, and Moss does a good job of grinding out tough yards. Go back and watch these games, they aren't getting much of anything blocking wise up front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Is this a joke? They lose a 3 point game to a good team on Monday night football a week after going into arrowhead and beating a hall of fame coach and quarterback and now we are calling our GM into question who has overseen a playoff team 3/4 soon to be 4/5 years? 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Any sort of objective measurement of draft success has the Bills near or at the top since Beane has arrived. The concept of draft success really goes over people’s heads around here. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, NewEra said: White wasn’t a Beane pick. I thought he was the first pick made by Beane/McDermott. 3 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Is this a joke? They lose a 3 point game to a good team on Monday night football a week after going into arrowhead and beating a hall of fame coach and quarterback and now we are calling our GM into question who has overseen a playoff team 3/4 soon to be 4/5 years? To be clear, I am not calling Beane into question (as indicated in the very first sentence of my post). I'm simply reacting to the daily/weekly topics/comments re: "Early Round Draft Pick," either not playing to potential or being a bust. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Oliver and Ford are two guys that don't seem to be measuring up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Oliver and Ford are two guys that don't seem to be measuring up. Oliver is fine and seems to be improving incrementally. It often takes interior defensive lineman a couple of years to really hit their stride. Ford, on the other hand, seems to be a certified bust at this point. Let's take a look at all of the major contributors to our current stud team drafted by Beane: Allen, Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Neal, Knox, Singletary, Oliver, Bass, Gabe Davis, Moss, Spencer Brown and Rousseau. And we've gotten contributions from Dane Jackson, Darryl Johnson, Jaquan Johnson, Harrison Phillips. Guys like Epenesa, Basham and Sweeney also show promise. Edited October 20, 2021 by TheBrownBear 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I like the philosophy of taking 3rd round backs, but if Singletary/Moss are what we're rolling out there - might as well just take 5th round backs. I think they both have more juice than a RB we could get in the 5th round, but the way we use backs can anyone tell me we'd be worse off having backs like Chuba Hubbard and then using 3rd round picks on more impactful positions for us. Oliver is a good player, but a bust for where we took him. We won't have a shot at a pick that high for a long time, and we took a guy who's a rotational DT for us and may or may not be given a second contract here. Cody Ford is another massive bust. Not sure what to make of the strange way they are approaching our recent 2nd Rd EDGE guys is Basham and Epenesa.... frustrating to say the least. HOWEVER, Allen pretty much overcomes any amount of bust picks Beane could have made so far. Edmunds shows potential to be great, albeit also being very head shaking at times. Tight Ends typically take time to develop, and Knox is beginning to look like he may become one of the next top end TE's in the NFL. Too early to say, but Brown and Rousseau look like they could be high end players for our lines over the next 10 years. Davis was a solid WR taken in the mid round. Taron Johnson is one of the top Nickel corners in the NFL. Bass was a great pick to lock down our kicker spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 He didn't pick Tre White. I think lots of Beane's picks have been a success. Josh is the only one who has been an elite difference maker. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) He has acquired many good players but I think we are still looking for a “dominant” game-changing player on defense from one of his draft picks. I’m also bitter about the Wyatt Teller trade. I would hope that he and those in charge would be able to see a potential all-pro offensive linemen after a year and a half of watching them, and not trade them for peanuts. . Edited October 20, 2021 by Einstein 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 It’s the flavor of the week to pile on some of these guys. Beane drafts talent, it’s on the coaches to develop that talent. It’s on the players to put the work in. I don’t think we can look at recent draft picks and say they don’t have enough talent to be successful in this league. Why are they not progressing? Why aren’t some of these guys hitting their max potential? Valid discussions can be had for a lot of that, but the talent is there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He didn't pick Tre White. Was this when Whaley was a lame duck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with sharing my opinion that I think Beane is a fantastic GM and that I've liked the vast majority of his early round picks. But reading various topics and comments here, I feel like the general sentiment on this board is that Beane's only decent picks have been Josh Allen and Tre White. According to many, the list of busts include (but is not limited to): Moss, Singletary, Knox, Edmunds, Ford, Oliver and Phillips. Maybe I'm a homer; but it's more likely that some people/"fans," are just impossible to please. That is what a genius McDermott is....able to take a rag tag group of no names to the top of the league..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not sure what to make of the strange way they are approaching our recent 2nd Rd EDGE guys is Basham and Epenesa.... frustrating to say the least. After the game on Monday night McD was asked why AJ and Boogie were healthy scratches and I thought I heard McD say "We wanted to get a look at some other guys." This leads me to believe they are looking to trade some of our d line depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: Was this when Whaley was a lame duck? Yes. McDermott had some influence on that draft, but Beane wasn't hired until months later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, jkeerie said: After the game on Monday night McD was asked why AJ and Boogie were healthy scratches and I thought I heard McD say "We wanted to get a look at some other guys." This leads me to believe they are looking to trade some of our d line depth. I mean, that makes sense, but also... what?? That was a big game and we're out here auditioning dudes lol? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, SCBills said: I mean, that makes sense, but also... what?? That was a big game and we're out here auditioning dudes lol? I thought the same thing. That's why I found the answer quite puzzling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I get that OP is setting up a strawman to argue against his own title but the title is ridiculous and stupid all in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gugny said: Was this when Whaley was a lame duck? Yea. McDermott made those picks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: White wasn’t a Beane pick. 28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He didn't pick Tre White. I think lots of Beane's picks have been a success. Josh is the only one who has been an elite difference maker. Thanks, fellas. I've made the proper edit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Yeah total failure that Beane.. not like he built a super bowl favorite or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Beane is a fantastic GM This and 1 hour ago, Gugny said: some people/"fans," are just impossible to please. This = This: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I thought he was the first pick made by Beane/McDermott. McDermotts first pick. Beane was a panther at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: Well they lost by 3 points so of course some people will think his picks all suck. If they win after the bye week his picks will be mostly great again. I'm surprised Allen is still a good QB after he failed to get the first down Allen is trash. Utter trash. Didn’t throw for 450 and 6 TD. We should have beat them by 28 Pts easily. He should have rushed for 150 with another 2 TD. He also needs to sack-up and start playing Defense and get a few sacks. Lazy trash for what we are paying him. I also think he should start playing center since that’s a weak spot. Direct snap to himself and maybe if he passed better he could pass it to himself too, in the end zone of course. That would be another 2 TD-easy. Utter trash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) So it might make sense to go through the depth chart and assign FA, Draft, Before Beane (BB) Per the Bills Website: WR - Sanders - FA LT - Dawkins - BB LG - Feliciano - FA C- Morse - FA RG- Williams- FA RT- Brown- Draft TE-Knox - Draft QB- Allen- Draft RB- Singletary - Draft WR - Beasley- FA WR- Diggs - FA - Trade LDE- Rousseau - Draft DT - Oliver - Draft DT- Star - FA RDE- Hughes - BB MLB- Edmunds - Draft WLB- Milano - BB NCB- Johnson - Draft CB- White- BB CB- Wallace - UDFA (draft) S- Poyer - BB S- Hyde - BB Totals: Draft - 9 Starters FA - 7 starters BB - 6 Starters His best draft pick to date is Allen hands down. I don't think he inherited the terrible roster some here like to say. The defensive roster was pretty good, noting 5 starters are still kicking around from the pre Beane era. Rousseau is probably his best, right out of the gate good, starter. He has struggled to fill OL, we have average performance for the 5th highest paid unit in the league. It is OK, but also doesn't really have any draft picks playing. Letting Wyatt Teller go is on both him and McD. The real Beane test will be how he can draft for immediate impact while managing the cap going forward. Like next year, with Edumunds 5th year option we will have the 6th highest paid unit? If we re-sign Edmunds, that number will stay about the same, and we will need to do a much better job of filling the OL and WR rooms with draft picks than we have in order to save cash. (I have faith in Davis and Stevenson, they just aren't playing much at the moment). How does he replace Hyde and Poyer? Do you resign Oliver, at what cost, or who replaces him? The Star decision will be at about the same time. Edited October 20, 2021 by Mango 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, jkeerie said: After the game on Monday night McD was asked why AJ and Boogie were healthy scratches and I thought I heard McD say "We wanted to get a look at some other guys." This leads me to believe they are looking to trade some of our d line depth. terrible idea. you "get a look" at some other guys in preseason. Not during an important divisional matchup. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: terrible idea. you "get a look" at some other guys in preseason. Not during an important divisional matchup. Or against Miami or Jax. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Hes done a pretty good job but some of his high round picks have not lived up to their draft status. Is it nitpicky? Kinda. The other issue is if a guy takes by year 4 to be a impact player you have lost the benefit of the rookie contract. Cody Ford is a pick that has definitely set us back. Ed Oliver is not living up to the pick, that may not be his fault. They have gotten solid players at most picks so we have avoided the bad busts for the most part. Edited October 20, 2021 by Sharky7337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I just mentioned this in another thread, but it's worth mentioning again... I think Beane has done a great job building a team that can rack up wins in the regular season, but this is not a team built to win in the playoffs because we have no bullies in the trenches. Just a bunch of finesse players that can get the job done for the most part but struggle mightily on both sides of the ball against physical teams that 'take it to you'. And we will no doubt see the Titans or a similar team in the playoffs and that's where our season ends IMO. So assuming we exit the playoffs early and/or don't reach the SB again this year, we'll find out how good a GM Beane really is because big time changes will be needed on the OL/DL in the offseason and not sure we'll have the cap space to successfully navigate that and can't rely soly on the draft to fix. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 he is the best talent evaluator, drafter, trader we have had in 30 years. we are a top 3 team in the league and can play with/beat anyone. we are set up for a 3-4 year super bowl window with a manageable cap. we have a +100 point differential do you prefer to go back to the russ brandon, buddy nix, doug whaley/ rex etc. clown shows? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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