What are your thoughts on Ed Oliver?

[wppete]

Big ED is a monster. I think he is just heating up. Exciting to see him the rest of the year. 

[Don Otreply]

On 10/19/2021 at 7:24 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yes, but not a level the 8th player drafted often gets.  Think may see a similar thing with Edmunds

Not singling you out Ed, nuthin but luv,  but where a player is taken is on the GM/team, it is not on the player, it is such an ill informed statement, so tired of hear this being repeated endlessly for decades by arm chair GMs, and talking heads as if it had any real value. Any miscalculation in draft spot is completely on the organization. 
 

Oh and Ed is a solid asset on our D line.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Don Otreply

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He had a nice game yesterday, gotta have more of that play or he can officially be labeled as a rotational DT with nice upside. Not the guy you pay 15M or a top 10 pick for.  Thought it was a bad pick at the time and I stand by that.  I think this regime has just a little too much pride to not pick up his option, but unless he completely breaks out, they should not.  
 

He joins the growing list of guys they have over drafted and given too much opportunity to.   Thus far, only Allen has been the only early round pick worthy of the position picked.  Edmunds, Ford, Oliver, Eppenessa, and Basham are all looking bad in terms of their production vs the picks to get them.  It’s early on Boogie and Epp, I’ll say Groot looks like a real good pick, but this had better be his floor, not ceiling.  If he keeps growing, that’s going down as a great pick.    If we really get down to it, the first 3 rounds have not been great under Beane, Brown may also be a nice pick, but time will ultimately tell on that.

 

 

It's Oliver's third year and he's continuously made progress. If he continues at his current rate, they should absolutely pick him up. Hell, he's worth the fifth-year option right now without an ounce more improvement.

 

Some of his very recent improvement comes from Lotulelei starting to get doubled in pass situations. Previously it had been Oliver getting the doubles this year. Now we've got two guys giving interior OLs problems in passing situations.

 

And the first three rounds under Beane have been good, so far at least. Not great? Fair enough, but certainly good, and Oliver is a part of that. Edmunds has looked like an excellent pick since probably his second year. Epenesa is showing flashes, but will have to continue to grow ... but that's how these things generally go. 

 

Basham is way way too young to judge. Ford is getting up close to judgment age, though he's not there yet, but if he doesn't improve, he will have been a poor pick. Still has a chance to improve, though.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Beerball]

He's the next Aaron Donald, haven't you heard?

[BuffBillsForLife]

He's okay.  

[billsfan89]

Ed had one of his best games against the Fins, playing a 3 tech he finally is back at his natural position. He has been putting in a very good season his best as a pro. Very excited to see how he finishes the season.

[PolishDave]

 

Why do I have the feeling this thread is going to end like this the next time Oliver has an invisible game.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

15 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Not singling you out Ed, nuthin but luv,  but where a player is taken is on the GM/team, it is not on the player, it is such an ill informed statement, so tired of hear this being repeated endlessly for decades by arm chair GMs, and talking heads as if it had any real value. Any miscalculation in draft spot is completely on the organization. 
 

Oh and Ed is a solid asset on our D line.

 

And in other headline breaking news, the sun is expected to set this evening!

[NewEra]

We made me proud on Sunday.  Great game

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Cover1 breakdown on Ed Oliver's game against the Dolphins

 

 

Deserved that game ball IMHO

[Warcodered]

 

[theRalph]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:22 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Like mentioned earlier in the thread, Ed has flashed a bunch this year. And has had a couple real solid games, including yesterday. I think he's finally being put in a position to succeed now that Star is back.

Star was out — again — yesterday. What's that tell you?

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, theRalph said:

Star was out — again — yesterday. What's that tell you?

 

Star is trash? But that's nothing new.

[JerseyBills]

On 10/19/2021 at 10:32 PM, gobills404 said:

He's been great against the run for the most part this year but he's still so incredibly underwhelming as a pass rusher for a 3T with such rare athleticism.

I feel the same. 

Especially with all the talk of him being Aaron Donald lite

[Lofton80]

He battles every snap and might be the only defensive lineman who draws a double team on occasion. NE blocked Star straight up with the center and blocked our DE with TE's and receivers. Either scheme or players don't work. None of our guys can get off a block it seems.  

[BuffaloRebound]

He had a nice pressure that forced a Brady incompletion on 3rd down in the 4th quarter.  

[HamptonBillsfan]

On 10/19/2021 at 10:02 PM, JohnNord said:

Overall, I’m a little disappointed with what we’ve seen from Ed Oliver.   Last year, some had theorized that his lack of production was the result of not having a true 1TDT to take on blockers.   Well Star is back and is having his best season with the Bills, yet Oliver still hasn’t made much more of an impact.  
 

He hasn’t been bad necessarily and can make an occasional splash play.  But he also seems to be a non-factor for long stretches of game and has provided little in terms of a pass rush.  It seems to me that he doesn’t win his matchup enough.  The word on Oliver is that you can take him out of a play completely with a double team.  
 

At this point, if I’m Brandon Beane, I definitely wouldn’t  pick up his option this off-season, unless Ed takes his game to another level this year.   I feel that you can match Oliver’s production with a younger player or a veteran that will sign for a much cheaper deal than what it would take to keep Oliver in town.  

Would you pick up Oliver’s option after this season?

 

Star is back? Star played in 5 games. Star is recovering from Covid. Star suited up for NE and stunk up the field. His best season, I don’t think so. Oliver's been our best lineman.

[BillMafia716ix]

As it stands right now. Ed Oliver is our best down lineman and I don’t think it’s close. 

[LABILLBACKER]

23 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

As it stands right now. Ed Oliver is our best down lineman and I don’t think it’s close. 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Ed Oliver. He's basically had no one reliable next to him all year. Star has been worthless and Harry tries but he's nowhere near a 1T. Several DL guys will be gone. Probably Hughes, Addison,  Butler,  Star and Bryant. Guys like Phillips, Obada, Zimmer and Ankou are just depth. We need a young stud 1T who will battle side by side with Ed.

[Patrick Duffy]

He has improved some this season, but still has not lived up to a top 10 pick...although he is only one man and the Dline in general isn't good so that is a factor also. In any case he hasn't shown enough by any means yet

[DCofNC]

Oliver has had the most impact of anybody on the DL this year, followed by some flash plays by Addison and Groot is playing very solid ball, doing a great job on containment and shedding, but his lack of pass rush moves is holding hime back. 
 

The sad part is, the line still gets zero pressure by itself, Brady had all day aside from blitz’s.  
 

Oliver has not lived up to his draft status and if McClappy is going to insist on rotating everyone, he’s never going to, so there’s no point in picking up his option, he’s nothing more than a rotational player, due in large part to his coach’s stupidity. 

[Royale with Cheese]

 

[In Summary]

On 12/13/2021 at 3:17 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

We need a young stud 1T who will battle side by side with Ed.

This. Ed has it all but size. A solid 1T makes both Ed and Edmunds much better.

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, In Summary said:

This. Ed has it all but size. A solid 1T makes both Ed and Edmunds much better.

 

 

Phillip, who appears to finally have recovered from his injury problems, is absolutely a solid 1T. Above average the past month, month and a half.

 

Star might be here next year, but might not. If he's not, yeah, they could easily draft a guy. Assuming he'd be mostly a two-down guy, you could get a good one later.

 

Ed's been improving consistently all year and really since we got him. He's really good.

 

Chances of picking up his 5th year option at this point - short of horrendous injury or something - approaches 100%.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 12/14/2021 at 4:15 AM, HamptonBillsfan said:

Star is back? Star played in 5 games. Star is recovering from Covid. Star suited up for NE and stunk up the field. His best season, I don’t think so. Oliver's been our best lineman.

 

 

Yeah, five games for Star.

 

Well, ten actually, but who's counting? Not everyone.

 

Star had been having a really good season early. Covid and whatever is happening now have raised major questions, about availability and health moving forward. Hard to say whether Covid affected him or what's going on.

 

But yeah, Oliver's been our best, definitely.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

My take on the defensive tackle position is this:

 

1. Ed Oliver has been absolutely excellent this year and the second half of this season has been his best run of consistent football as a pro. It is close to a lock to me that the Bills pick up his 5th year option (which according to the Over The Cap projections should be about $10m). That means he is here at least two more seasons and the way his form is trending I suspect the Bills will try and extend him. 

 

2. Harrison Phillips of the last month is a player worth having. The problem with the decision on Harrison Phillips is that in his four years on the team he has basically played at this level for 2 months in four years. The first month of 2019 before getting hurt and the last month. Other than that there have been flashes of decent play mixed in with a lot of JAG level play and a couple of healthy scratch moments. The question is how much are the Bills willing to believe that what they see now is the truth and how much is Harrison willing to acknowledge that he hasn't put enough on tape to justify a big payday and therefore work out a deal that works for the team?

 

3. Star's future with the Bills may well be dependant on the outcome of that Harrison decision. I believe that when they restructured his deal two years ago the Bills always planned for 2021 to be his final season on the team. But then covid happened and he opted out and it delayed his contract by a year. So the year where getting out is cheap as chips is actually next year. That said they can save $4.25m on next year's cap by cutting Star and designating him as a post June cut. If they extend Harrison then I expect that to happen. If they don't then I think Star stays because losing both 1techs in the same offseason and leaving the cupboard bare doesn't look an attractive option. 

 

4. Vernon Butler is a FA and will not be back. Justin Zimmer is an RFA (but the minimum tender is looking like being $2.4m) so his future is in doubt coming off the injury. Eli Ankou is out of his depth at the moment on an NFL field. So unless the Bills want to extend Obada and/or convert Basham into a full time interior player they are going to have at least two spots at the position to fill. Could they come to an agreement on a longer term deal with Zimmer that gives him the $2.4m he would get as an RFA but spreads it out for cap purposes? Possibly. But they are going to need to replenish this room in the offseason IMO. And based on the last few weeks the drop off from when Ed and Harrison are on the field to when any other combination is has been scary. 

 

My ideal scenario for the offseason?

 

1. Pick up Ed's option

2. Sign Harrison to a 3 year extension that averages $3.5m a year but keeps the 2022 hit down and allows the Bills an out after the first year but gets him to some bigger numbers if the Bills hold onto him beyond that

3. Release Star as a post June 1 cut

4. Find a way to bring Zimmer back cheaply

5. Draft a defensive tackle in the first 4 rounds of the draft and potentially double dip with one of our additional late day 3 picks. 

Edited January 6, 2022 by GunnerBill

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

My take on the defensive tackle position is this:

 

1. Ed Oliver has been absolutely excellent this year and the second half of this season has been his best run of consistent football as a pro. It is close to a lock to me that the Bills pick up his 5th year option (which according to the Over The Cap projections should be about $10m). That means he is here at least two more seasons and the way his form is trending I suspect the Bills will try and extend him. 

 

2. Harrison Phillips of the last month is a player worth having. The problem with the decision on Harrison Phillips is that in his four years on the team he has basically played at this level for 2 months in four years. The first month of 2019 before getting hurt and the last month. Other than that there have been flashes of decent play mixed in with a lot of JAG level play and a couple of healthy scratch moments. The question is how much are the Bills willing to believe that what they see now is the truth and how much is Harrison willing to acknowledge that he hasn't put enough on tape to justify a big payday and therefore work out a deal that works for the team?

 

3. Star's future with the Bills may well be dependant on the outcome of that Harrison decision. I believe that when they restructured his deal two years ago the Bills always planned for 2021 to be his final season on the team. But then covid happened and he opted out and it delayed his contract by a year. So the year where getting out is cheap as chips is actually next year. That said they can save $4.25m on next year's cap by cutting Star and designating him as a post June cut. If they extend Harrison then I expect that to happen. If they don't then I think Star stays because losing both 1techs in the same offseason and leaving the cupboard bare doesn't look an attractive option. 

 

4. Vernon Butler is a FA and will not be back. Justin Zimmer is an RFA (but the minimum tender is looking like being $2.4m) so his future is in doubt coming off the injury. Eli Ankou is out of his depth at the moment on an NFL field. So unless the Bills want to extend Obada and/or convert Basham into a full time interior player they are going to have at least two spots at the position to fill. Could they come to an agreement on a longer term deal with Zimmer that gives him the $2.4m he would get as an RFA but spreads it out for cap purposes? Possibly. But they are going to need to replenish this room in the offseason IMO. And based on the last few weeks the drop off from when Ed and Harrison are on the field to when any other combination is has been scary. 

 

My ideal scenario for the offseason?

 

1. Pick up Ed's option

2. Sign Harrison to a 3 year extension that averages $3.5m a year but keeps the 2022 hit down and allows the Bills an out after the first year but gets him to some bigger numbers if the Bills hold onto him beyond that

3. Release Star as a post June 1 cut

4. Find a way to bring Zimmer back cheaply

5. Draft a defensive tackle in the first 4 rounds of the draft and potentially double dip with one of our additional late day 3 picks. 

💯 

 

 

[Beerball]

I am in the very early stages of the process to reevaluate Mr. Oliver. I did, in fact, deride the Oliver pick, but that was due to the pre-draft tip sheet and extensive scouting of Mr. Oliver that was provided to me by @BringBackFergy who is my single source for draft nowlege. 

[Max Fischer]

He’s a beast. I believe fans would be happier if they did more research. 
 

 

[HOUSE]

He is not an NFL Superstar. If you get that thought out of your head you will appreciate him more.

[Max Fischer]

On 10/19/2021 at 10:32 PM, gobills404 said:

He's been great against the run for the most part this year but he's still so incredibly underwhelming as a pass rusher for a 3T with such rare athleticism.

Oliver faces more double teams than almost any other 3T. Offenses fear him. 

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

My take on the defensive tackle position is this:

 

1. Ed Oliver has been absolutely excellent this year and the second half of this season has been his best run of consistent football as a pro. It is close to a lock to me that the Bills pick up his 5th year option (which according to the Over The Cap projections should be about $10m). That means he is here at least two more seasons and the way his form is trending I suspect the Bills will try and extend him. 

 

2. Harrison Phillips of the last month is a player worth having. The problem with the decision on Harrison Phillips is that in his four years on the team he has basically played at this level for 2 months in four years. The first month of 2019 before getting hurt and the last month. Other than that there have been flashes of decent play mixed in with a lot of JAG level play and a couple of healthy scratch moments. The question is how much are the Bills willing to believe that what they see now is the truth and how much is Harrison willing to acknowledge that he hasn't put enough on tape to justify a big payday and therefore work out a deal that works for the team?

 

3. Star's future with the Bills may well be dependant on the outcome of that Harrison decision. I believe that when they restructured his deal two years ago the Bills always planned for 2021 to be his final season on the team. But then covid happened and he opted out and it delayed his contract by a year. So the year where getting out is cheap as chips is actually next year. That said they can save $4.25m on next year's cap by cutting Star and designating him as a post June cut. If they extend Harrison then I expect that to happen. If they don't then I think Star stays because losing both 1techs in the same offseason and leaving the cupboard bare doesn't look an attractive option. 

 

4. Vernon Butler is a FA and will not be back. Justin Zimmer is an RFA (but the minimum tender is looking like being $2.4m) so his future is in doubt coming off the injury. Eli Ankou is out of his depth at the moment on an NFL field. So unless the Bills want to extend Obada and/or convert Basham into a full time interior player they are going to have at least two spots at the position to fill. Could they come to an agreement on a longer term deal with Zimmer that gives him the $2.4m he would get as an RFA but spreads it out for cap purposes? Possibly. But they are going to need to replenish this room in the offseason IMO. And based on the last few weeks the drop off from when Ed and Harrison are on the field to when any other combination is has been scary. 

 

My ideal scenario for the offseason?

 

1. Pick up Ed's option

2. Sign Harrison to a 3 year extension that averages $3.5m a year but keeps the 2022 hit down and allows the Bills an out after the first year but gets him to some bigger numbers if the Bills hold onto him beyond that

3. Release Star as a post June 1 cut

4. Find a way to bring Zimmer back cheaply

5. Draft a defensive tackle in the first 4 rounds of the draft and potentially double dip with one of our additional late day 3 picks. 

This! ^

Just now, Max Fischer said:

Oliver faces more double teams than almost any other 3T. Offenses fear him. 

Ya he is starting to become a game wrecker with his speed and penetration.  Took him longer than we wanted but put a big man beside him and he will excel

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

Oliver faces more double teams than almost any other 3T. Offenses fear him. 

 

And they fear him because he can wreck drives single handed. There was a key drive in the AFCCG last year when Ed blew up the pocket on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. Only for the Chiefs to go for it on 4th and 8 or something and Mahomes to convert with his legs. The latest example was the drive right after Josh's 3rd pick on Sunday. Ed Oliver made all 3 plays on that series and then Arthur Smith made the 4th down play by punting from the 32. 

[Max Fischer]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And they fear him because he can wreck drives single handed. There was a key drive in the AFCCG last year when Ed blew up the pocket on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. Only for the Chiefs to go for it on 4th and 8 or something and Mahomes to convert with his legs. The latest example was the drive right after Josh's 3rd pick on Sunday. Ed Oliver made all 3 plays on that series and then Arthur Smith made the 4th down play by punting from the 32. 

Agree, Oliver’s skill, production and game changing play are nearly irreplaceable. I can’t tell if fans don’t understand, aren’t really watching him, never research their beliefs and-or are just attention seeking trolls. 

On 12/13/2021 at 2:49 PM, BillMafia716ix said:

As it stands right now. Ed Oliver is our best down lineman and I don’t think it’s close. 

Narrator: It’s not remotely close 

[Max Fischer]

14 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

He is not an NFL Superstar. If you get that thought out of your head you will appreciate him more.

It’s a good bet Oliver will continue to improve. If the Bills can get a consistent 1Tech who attracts double teams more often, Oliver could be a consistent Pro Bowl candidate. As it is, teams can, and need to, double up Oliver. 

[JMF2006]

I think he is getting better every year and will get a second contract here.

 

I think we are far to critical as a group to some of the younger players on this team.

 

For that matter some of the Vets too.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

My ideal scenario for the offseason?

 

1. Pick up Ed's option

2. Sign Harrison to a 3 year extension that averages $3.5m a year but keeps the 2022 hit down and allows the Bills an out after the first year but gets him to some bigger numbers if the Bills hold onto him beyond that

3. Release Star as a post June 1 cut

4. Find a way to bring Zimmer back cheaply

5. Draft a defensive tackle in the first 4 rounds of the draft and potentially double dip with one of our additional late day 3 picks. 

6.  Figure out who this 'Edwards' guy is that many refer to. 🤔

[HamptonBillsfan]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, five games for Star.

 

Well, ten actually, but who's counting? Not everyone.

 

Star had been having a really good season early. Covid and whatever is happening now have raised major questions, about availability and health moving forward. Hard to say whether Covid affected him or what's going on.

 

But yeah, Oliver's been our best, definitely.

The fact that he dressed for 10 doesn't mean he contributed to anything good. He sucked up a roster spot and when we needed him most, he was nowhere. Sympathy for any personal problems aside, we need committed, balls to the wall grinders, if we expect to advance to the SB. Oliver and Harry, play hurt and keep on coming. They will lead us into the playoffs.