Adam Schefter issue with Bruce (not Josh :) ) Allen emails - had Bruce Allen edit his news story

[CorkScrewHill]

Obviously not to the level of Chucky, but it does go to the topic of trust in media and in this case sports media.

 

https://clutchpoints.com/espn-nfl-guru-adam-schefters-wild-email-to-bruce-allen-leaked-amid-jon-gruden-debacle/

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by CorkScrewHill

[Warcodered]

I mean when putting out a story about someone or something it's not that unusual to get a reaction from who it's about first.

[Scott7975]

This seems like common practice to me or maybe I misunderstood the small article.

[aristocrat]

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

These national NFL 'insider" reporters have many cozy relationships with their sources.  Executives, players, coaches, agents, whomever.  They would not want to publish any content that burns their source.  It might be factually incorrect, go beyond the scope of the sources wishes or it may include some context that reveals the identity of the source, assuming they wish to remain unidentified.  Seems logical to me.  

[billsfan89]

If Schefter was a journalist in a more serious realm of journalism this would be a huge issue for me personally. But this is sports not really all that serious that you are cozy with sources. In fact there is very little difference to give a source editorial control of a specific article than if they just feed you the information they want out there. Schefter will take some heat for this but if this is the extent of what he said he will be fine. 

[stevewin]

Jeebus - almost gave me a heart attack in title with "issue with Allen emails"

[billsfanmiamioh]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

Jeebus - almost gave me a heart attack in title with "issue with Allen emails"

Same 

[4_kidd_4]

4 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Jeebus - almost gave me a heart attack in title with "issue with Allen emails"

 

If he ain’t write, it’s alright!

[DrDawkinstein]

Whopping Nothingburger here. Common practice and nothing nefarious. In this specific instance.

[JoPoy88]

Calling Schefter a journalist is a bit of a stretch. “Paid shill” would be more accurate.

[Bangarang]

Nobody should be surprised by this. This is how guys like Schefter operate. They get “breaking news” that’s controlled and manipulated by the source. Everyone gets a piece of the pie. 

[Don Otreply]

8 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Jeebus - almost gave me a heart attack in title with "issue with Allen emails"

Thought they were te hashing the stuff from the draft time…, 

[nedboy7]

Yeah man.  Change that title before I send my therapist bill to you. 

[cage]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Whopping Nothingburger here. Common practice and nothing nefarious. In this specific instance.

 

This is absolutely normal and nothing to see.  I work for a Fortune 500 company and we do media interviews on new products and other initiatives.  Its not at all uncommon for journalists to come back and check that they got everything right and nothing was mis-stated before publishing.  They don't want to have to issue retractions or corrections.  There is nothing wrong with this particular item.  This does NOT go to the topic of "trust in media"

Edited October 13, 2021 by cage

[Warcodered]

30 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

This I feel would/should be more significant than the main topic.

[JohnNord]

29 minutes ago, cage said:

 

This is absolutely normal and nothing to see.  I work for a Fortune 500 company and we do media interviews on new products and other initiatives.  Its not at all uncommon for journalists to come back and check that they got everything right and nothing was mis-stated before publishing.  They don't want to have to issue retractions or corrections.  There is nothing wrong with this particular item.  This does NOT go to the topic of "trust in media"

I think we are missing some context of the story.  The fact that he’s calling him “Mr. Editor” is a little weird

38 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Calling Schefter a journalist is a bit of a stretch. “Paid shill” would be more accurate.

Most of the “NFL Insiders” are like Jason LaCanfora or Ian Rapaport.  You see this all the time during hiring season for coaches.  Surprisingly candidates who belong to the same agency suddenly become “hot” candidates 

[ndirish1978]

Does anyone consider Schefter an actual journalist? I was under the impression we all knew that "insiders" are just mouthpieces with a lot of relationships. I presumed this is how he gets all his information.

[Captain Caveman]

The way I'm reading this is that Allen was a source, and in a trade off, Schefter basically allowed him to review the story in case there was anything incorrect or misrepresented.  I don't think anyone would be surprised that Schefter is operating like this.  I feel like Deadspin's old motto - "Sports News Without Access, Favor, or Discretion" was a direct shot across the bow at Schefter and guys like him.

[fergie's ire]

8 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

“Mr. Editor” is a little weird

Yeah, that's the part that gets me.  Asking a source to look at an article to make sure he has been quoted fairly is common practice...but to say "Mr. Editor" as if Allen gets final say on the article, even if done jokingly, seems odd.

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Yeah, that's the part that gets me.  Asking a source to look at an article to make sure he has been quoted fairly is common practice...but to say "Mr. Editor" as if Allen gets final say on the article, even if done jokingly, seems odd.

Not too odd when you realize he’s just a bootlicking access merchant.

[wppete]

Hope they release all the emails. Let’s be upfront and honest to the public and fans. A lot of people on the NFL are shaking in their boots right now and Om sure many owners and execs are. Expose them all!

[Numark3]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Hope they release all the emails. Let’s be upfront and honest to the public and fans. A lot of people on the NFL are shaking in their boots right now and Om sure many owners and execs are. Expose them all!

Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails.

 

we’ll wait

Edited October 13, 2021 by Crayola64

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails.

 

we’ll wait

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails.

 

we’ll wait

 

The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding.

 

If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off.

 

It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office.

[Jdragon2]

9 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails.

 

we’ll wait

Not gonna lie I fall on this side of the fence. The NFL had to review all of these as part of this investigation....it's on them to take action if necessary....not the court of public opinion. I said some pretty stupid crap 10-15 years ago.... as I'm sure most people have.  Now if the NFL is the one selectively releasing these emails as intimidation tactics (no clue if they are or not) then yea either release them or get a court-ordered gag seal on them

 

10-15 years ago society didn't feel the need to attack anyone who said a thing they didn't like to the point of getting them fired. Don't get me wrong I find most of what was said to range between abhorrent and in poor taste.... but emails from 10+ years ago have no bearing on what happens today....you know unless one of them admit to killing JFK? 🙈

 

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Jdragon2

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

These national NFL 'insider" reporters have many cozy relationships with their sources.  Executives, players, coaches, agents, whomever.  They would not want to publish any content that burns their source.  It might be factually incorrect, go beyond the scope of the sources wishes or it may include some context that reveals the identity of the source, assuming they wish to remain unidentified.  Seems logical to me.  

 

Same for hockey. Look at the Eichel situation. Every "exclusive" is something fed by his agent to one of the major hockey reporters, usually Friedmann, Dreger or LeBrun. Just last week it was "Jack's gonna get moved soon." This week crickets.

[Numark3]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding.

 

If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off.

 

It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office.

no, I care about the non-offensive irrelevant emails from people that won’t get them cancelled.  It’s a complete invasion of privacy and is a ridiculous thing to release.  
 

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding.

 

If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off.

 

It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office.

I'm not really sure what the prudent action is. The threat of blackmail and control seems real enough. As a society, the line between public and private has been blurred by social media. The effect has been deleterious in most cases. And now the arbiters of what constitutes righteous behavior are just aching to turn this into an expose of toxic masculinity and the nefarious "NFL culture."

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Jdragon2 said:

10-15 years ago society didn't feel the need to attack anyone who said a thing they didn't like to the point of getting them fired.

 

Maybe they did but didnt have the platforms or voice to get it accomplished. I'd say the work "attack" is a bit overblown too. Keep in mind that it was NOT Twitter backlash or uproar that ended Gruden. None of that even had a chance to get rolling before he resigned. This was strictly because he 1. lost the locker room, and 2. insulted all the bosses. Accountability and consequences for actions isnt a horrible thing.

 

4 minutes ago, Jdragon2 said:

 

Don't get me wrong I find most of what was said to range between abhorrent and in poor taste.... but emails from 10+ years ago have no bearing on what happens today....you know unless one of them admit to killing JFK? 🙈

 

 

 

Ehhh, yes and no. Specifically to this Gruden leak, he is in a direct position to hire staff and make player personnel decisions. So when emails pop up, even from 10+ years ago, talking about which vulnerable groups he doesnt think should be employed... yeah it has bearing on what happens today. After that, he'd never be able to make a cut or a hire that wouldnt get put through the filter of "Is this valid, or just his biases showing up?", and rightfully so.

 

6 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

no, I care about the non-offensive irrelevant emails from people that won’t get them cancelled.  It’s a complete invasion of privacy and is a ridiculous thing to release.  
 

 

 

But they are from the WFT office emails. Work emails are never private. They arent releasing someone's gmail account.

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'm not really sure what the prudent action is. The threat of blackmail and control seems real enough. As a society, the line between public and private has been blurred by social media. The effect has been deleterious in most cases. And now the arbiters of what constitutes righteous behavior are just aching to turn this into an expose of toxic masculinity and the nefarious "NFL culture."

 

I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right?

I think Snyder and the dysfunction with WFT is well known. I don't think that means its open season on the NFL as a whole, but if that's your proclivities, have at it.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

I think Snyder and the dysfunction with WFT is well known. I don't think that means its open season on the NFL as a whole, but if that's your proclivities, have at it.

 

It isnt the NFL as a whole. It is releasing the WFT emails that are now being used selectively and arbitrarily by the NFL Office to oust people as they see fit.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It isnt the NFL as a whole. It is releasing the WFT emails that are now being used selectively and arbitrarily by the NFL Office to oust people as they see fit.

Alright, fella. I don't know what you're arguing with me about. I don't like it. I said as much the first time.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

Alright, fella. I don't know what you're arguing with me about. I don't like it. I said as much the first time.

 

Fair enough. Just discussing since all the different aspects and opinions on this are interesting to me. Go Bills!

[Numark3]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Maybe they did but didnt have the platforms or voice to get it accomplished. I'd say the work "attack" is a bit overblown too. Keep in mind that it was NOT Twitter backlash or uproar that ended Gruden. None of that even had a chance to get rolling before he resigned. This was strictly because he 1. lost the locker room, and 2. insulted all the bosses. Accountability and consequences for actions isnt a horrible thing.

 

 

Ehhh, yes and no. Specifically to this Gruden leak, he is in a direct position to hire staff and make player personnel decisions. So when emails pop up, even from 10+ years ago, talking about which vulnerable groups he doesnt think should be employed... yeah it has bearing on what happens today. After that, he'd never be able to make a cut or a hire that wouldnt get put through the filter of "Is this valid, or just his biases showing up?", and rightfully so.

 

 

But they are from the WFT office emails. Work emails are never private. They arent releasing someone's gmail account.

 

I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right?

They would be releasing gmail emails sent to a work email.  There is no reason to release irrelevant private emails

if Susie G is saying come home late because she has diarrhea, you don’t need that email 

if two employees are saying GOSH THAT NEW TRAINEE IS SLOOOOW…that doesn’t need to be made public

Edited October 13, 2021 by Crayola64

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

They would be releasing gmail emails sent to a work email.  There is no reason to release irrelevant private emails

 

 

 

If either side is a work email, it isnt a private message. We should all know how this works.

 

If you want to keep stuff private, keep it out of the work servers on either side. There are plenty of other means of communications.

 

Heck, I don't even text much with my brother-in-law because he has a work-paid cell phone. Any dirty jokes or funny memes, I send to my sister's phone and have her show him. That's to protect both of us.

[TBBills]

This doesn't seem like news to me other than Schefty has a leg up on reporting... isn't that how the game is played? This just sounds like people being a little jealous. 

[wppete]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

The sad thing is Om sure this is true 😂. What a sham it all is. 

[ProcessTruster]

Learned a long time ago not to read and re read what you put in email.   If you write something in anger, leave it in your drafts folder, go to bed and look at it again in the morning.   I don't recall ever sending one of those out. 

 

 If I could only apply that logic to this board, I'd be all set.