Trade deadline buzz

[benderbender]

For procrastinators like me, the trade deadline is November 2 at 4pm. I set an alarm to bunch up my panties at 3:45pm. 

[MAJBobby]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Seems Watson to Miami is heating up.

Same stuff since February 2021.  They need to hype something to try and drum up interest in the most boring Trade Deadline in Professional Sports.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I like Sanders well enough, but I don't really see how he gives our offense an element that Matt Breida wouldn't. 

If they want to add speed to the backfield, they need only to make active on game day the running back that's already on their roster, already knows the playbook, and won't cost any draft compensation to acquire.

Matt Breida hasn't been consistently good since the 2018...MAYBE 2019 season. He's really not the player he was then. 

 

This year he can't find the field over Moss and Singletary. Last year he couldn't beat out some really bad Dolphin RBs to even dress on game day. He had 1 really solid game last season against NE but the Dolphins had other backs run wild on them that day too.

 

Sanders is younger, less injury history and has shown he can create yards on his own behind a lackluster OL.

Edited October 21, 2021 by No Place To Hyde

[ngbills]

I have no problem trading 5-7 round picks for someone that would help now. Losing those types of picks for a help us now guy is a no brainer. 

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I like Sanders well enough, but I don't really see how he gives our offense an element that Matt Breida wouldn't. 

If they want to add speed to the backfield, they need only to make active on game day the running back that's already on their roster, already knows the playbook, and won't cost any draft compensation to acquire.

If Breida = Sanders then our coaching staff has a lot of explaining to do why he is not even active for games. 

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Matt Breida hasn't been consistently good since the 2018...MAYBE 2019 season. He's really not the player he was then. 

 

This year he can't find the field over Moss and Singletary. Last year he couldn't beat out some really bad Dolphin RBs to even dress on game day. He had 1 really solid game last season against NE but the Dolphins had other backs run wild on them that day too.

 

Sanders is younger, less injury history and has shown he can create yards on his own behind a lackluster OL.

 

I could definitely get behind Singletary plus a mid-round pick for Miles Sanders, but are you willing to give him a second contract?  If not, we're doing that for a 2 year player. 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by SCBills

[Reader]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

I could definitely get behind Singletary plus a mid-round pick for Miles Sanders, but are you willing to give him a second contract?  If not, we're doing that for a 2 year player. 

 

 

 

The counter point, not that I'm advocating it, is any veteran that will draw interest plays a role in the comp pick formula. It's a reason why teams will trade 3rd or 4th rounders knowing they will get them back.

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, Reader said:

 

The counter point, not that I'm advocating it, is any veteran that will draw interest plays a role in the comp pick formula. It's a reason why teams will trade 3rd or 4th rounders knowing they will get them back.

 

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I could definitely get behind Singletary plus a mid-round pick for Miles Sanders, but are you willing to give him a second contract?  If not, we're doing that for a 2 year player. 

 

 

No problem giving away 5-7 rounders for a rental player. Heck even 2-4 round picks would be considered. With our roster we have 2nd rounders not even active on game days. 

[Logic]

26 minutes ago, ngbills said:

 

If Breida = Sanders then our coaching staff has a lot of explaining to do why he is not even active for games. 

 

 

39 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Matt Breida hasn't been consistently good since the 2018...MAYBE 2019 season. He's really not the player he was then. 

 

This year he can't find the field over Moss and Singletary. Last year he couldn't beat out some really bad Dolphin RBs to even dress on game day. He had 1 really solid game last season against NE but the Dolphins had other backs run wild on them that day too.

 

Sanders is younger, less injury history and has shown he can create yards on his own behind a lackluster OL.

Breida and Sanders have the exact same career yards per carry average at 4.9. 

Sanders is 24, Breida is 26.

Based on age and rushing yards per attempt, it doesn't seem like the gap between the two is that big.

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I could definitely get behind Singletary plus a mid-round pick for Miles Sanders, but are you willing to give him a second contract?  If not, we're doing that for a 2 year player. 

 

 

I would be 100% behind a mid round pick (later if Motor is added) for a 2 year rental if it increases odds of winning a Super Bowl. As someone else stated you could make it back with a comp pick or just let him to. Worry about 2 years from now in about 18 months.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, Logic said:

 

 

Breida and Sanders have the exact same career yards per carry average at 4.9. 

Sanders is 24, Breida is 26.

Based on age and rushing yards per attempt, it doesn't seem like the gap between the two is that big.

 

Sanders has produced at that level in the last year consistently. Breida hasn't been productive in about 2-3 years....since being injured. Numbers don't always tell the story.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Not quite a trade opportunity, but can Jerome Bettis come back and play for 4 months? 🙂

That goal line attempt vs the Titans was the Bus' bread and butter play. I wish we had a back like him even if for spot duty. 

Only for the bus to be tackled by Dion Dawkins😎

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

I could definitely get behind Singletary plus a mid-round pick for Miles Sanders, but are you willing to give him a second contract?  If not, we're doing that for a 2 year player. 

 

 

I want a Super Bowl win and I want it now! Keep the cash/money 😎

[BuffaloRebound]

I think another Tight End is a no brainer whether that is somebody like Engram, Ebron or Hurst.  Doesn’t matter.  Now that Knox has become an offensive weapon, getting 2 Tight Ends on the field would make this offense almost un-stoppable.  Teams cannot cover Sanders and Diggs.  2 Tight Ends in max protect and also the ability to run routes… good luck stopping that.  I’d rather have an extra Tight End on the field than Beasley or Davis.  

[thenorthremembers]

Dont see any sense in giving up a pick for Sanders when I think the difference between he and Singletary is negligible. 

[DCofNC]

29 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Dont see any sense in giving up a pick for Sanders when I think the difference between he and Singletary is negligible. 

I’m gonna go right ahead and disagree with that, Sanders actually has a top end speed element.  Singletary is just not fast. 

[djp14150]

I know we have Covid going around….I see another issue it’s called

 

Shiny 

High

Impact

Toy

Syndrome

 

[DeltaDigital]

58 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Dont see any sense in giving up a pick for Sanders when I think the difference between he and Singletary is negligible. 

 

Can sanders catch a screen pass? 

[ngbills]

28 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I’m gonna go right ahead and disagree with that, Sanders actually has a top end speed element.  Singletary is just not fast. 

Sanders - 4.49 vs DS 4.66 and Moss 4.7. That is a big difference. And Sanders is listed at 211 which is heavier than both of them. 

[Papa g]

We need tight end help w Knox injury Engram ,hurst ,geseki and Henry or Smith .Though a trade w dolphins or pats unlikely .I like Ingram as a catcher hurst as a blocker .

[Sugar High JA17]

6 minutes ago, Papa g said:

We need tight end help w Knox injury Engram ,hurst ,geseki and Henry or Smith .Though a trade w dolphins or pats unlikely .I like Ingram as a catcher hurst as a blocker .

TE Sweeney Todd: The Demon Baller of Orchard Park

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

TE Sweeney Todd: The Demon Baller of Orchard Park

 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

 

 

Breida and Sanders have the exact same career yards per carry average at 4.9. 

Sanders is 24, Breida is 26.

Based on age and rushing yards per attempt, it doesn't seem like the gap between the two is that big.

 

Sanders is 15 lbs heavier, with the ability to run in between and outside the tackles. Sanders has displayed the ability to gain yards behind a porous offensive line. IMO, Miles Sanders is an upgrade.

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

I know we have Covid going around….I see another issue it’s called

 

Shiny 

High

Impact

Toy

Syndrome

 

Or S.H.I.T.S

17 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

TE Sweeney Todd: The Demon Baller of Orchard Park

That’s Tommy Sweeney

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I think another Tight End is a no brainer whether that is somebody like Engram, Ebron or Hurst.  Doesn’t matter.  Now that Knox has become an offensive weapon, getting 2 Tight Ends on the field would make this offense almost un-stoppable.  Teams cannot cover Sanders and Diggs.  2 Tight Ends in max protect and also the ability to run routes… good luck stopping that.  I’d rather have an extra Tight End on the field than Beasley or Davis.  

 

I wouldn't mind another TE.  Not sure why Engram has not been productive consistently, however.  At any rate, a TE like that might be a lower round pick and replace Knox until he returns, then we can run the 2 TE sets sometimes.  Makes the offense even that harder to prepare to play.  

7 hours ago, BTB said:

Acquiring another RB would be a waste of time. The OL run blocking is below average, and at this point, the pass blocking isn’t much better. 

 

the pass blocking is worse than the run blocking, IMO.  That said, a RB who can deal with a bad OL (Sanders) would be a worthwhile pickup.  

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Matt Breida hasn't been consistently good since the 2018...MAYBE 2019 season. He's really not the player he was then. 

 

This year he can't find the field over Moss and Singletary. Last year he couldn't beat out some really bad Dolphin RBs to even dress on game day. He had 1 really solid game last season against NE but the Dolphins had other backs run wild on them that day too.

 

Sanders is younger, less injury history and has shown he can create yards on his own behind a lackluster OL.

So what does this say about the NFL’s greatest GM(according to his biggest fans here)?

[BuffaloBillyG]

20 minutes ago, BTB said:

So what does this say about the NFL’s greatest GM(according to his biggest fans here)?

Says you have to sign and maintain a 53 man roster. Can't all be All-Pros. 

 

Also, I didn't mind the signing. Low risk with potential for a big payoff if Breida back to his old self. It's actually what good GMs do...

[JGMcD2]

44 minutes ago, BTB said:

So what does this say about the NFL’s greatest GM(according to his biggest fans here)?

Uhhh… he’s literally the reigning and defending executive of the year 😂

 

And you’re trying to take a dig at him for signing veteran depth with past production? 

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Uhhh… he’s literally the reigning and defending executive of the year 😂

 

And you’re trying to take a dig at him for signing veteran depth with past production? 

Not a dig at him. A dig at the poster saying Breida is all washed up. 😉

[BuffaloBillyG]

50 minutes ago, BTB said:

Not a dig at him. A dig at the poster saying Breida is all washed up. 😉

Wasn't a very good dig either way😂😂😂

[MAJBobby]

Here is a Question for the bye week. IF the Giants put Barkley on the Block would Bills fans be interested? 
 

I tend to shy away from trading for RBs but I think I would make the call and point to the INJ history to drop the asking price.  I could get on board with this idea. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is a Question for the bye week. IF the Giants put Barkley on the Block would Bills fans be interested? 
 

I tend to shy away from trading for RBs but I think I would make the call and point to the INJ history to drop the asking price.  I could get on board with this idea. 

Personally, the injury concern would worry me. I’d prefer inquiring about Miles. He was considered Saquan 2.0 at Penn State

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, ngbills said:

Sanders - 4.49 vs DS 4.66 and Moss 4.7. That is a big difference. And Sanders is listed at 211 which is heavier than both of them. 

I wouldn’t have spent a pick on either DS or Moss before the 6th, but that’s just me.

[Starr Almighty]

Mack or Sanders would really help. Mack is only owed 1 million for the season 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Papa g said:

We need tight end help w Knox injury Engram ,hurst ,geseki and Henry or Smith .Though a trade w dolphins or pats unlikely .I like Ingram as a catcher hurst as a blocker .

 

Hayden Hurst actually makes sense to me. I think he is a do it all tight end who can block and catch passes. He isn't a Dawson Know in terms of athletic ability but he is a better blocker and a reliable receiver. He had over 500 yards and 6 touchdowns last year in Atlanta. 

 

In terms of value obviously he was a first round pick. The value of the trade that sent him to Atlanta by the Jimmy Johnson chart valued Hurst as a high second rounder essentially. I wouldn't pay that, especially when he is a FA after the season. But Atlanta's season is toast so maybe they'd be willing to take something rather than lose him for nothing..... (that said might he attract a high enough contract in FA to be 3rd round comp pick value?). Depending on how serious the injury to Knox is I'd offer a 5th. See what they say. I don't feel great about Tommy Sweeney and two lottery tickets on the PS the rest of the way if Knox is going to be hampered all year. 

[H2o]

11 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is a Question for the bye week. IF the Giants put Barkley on the Block would Bills fans be interested? 
 

I tend to shy away from trading for RBs but I think I would make the call and point to the INJ history to drop the asking price.  I could get on board with this idea. 

I would DEFINITELY be in on Barkley. If this offense had a top tier RB then we would literally be unstoppable. He's had a couple of ankle injuries and the ACL, but I wouldn't call him injury prone by any means and he is a true all purpose RB. This would maximize our window over the next couple of seasons imo. 

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I wouldn’t have spent a pick on either DS or Moss before the 6th, but that’s just me.

 

I certainly didn't think either were day 2 guys. 4th round I could have got on board with. The way I think about running backs is essentially a subtract a round. 

 

So I have never given a running back a top 10 grade. For me to give a running back a 1st round grade I have to think they are a perennial all pro type talent who can do it all. 

 

So for me to give a guy a 2nd round grade I have to think he can be a high end starter (which for most other positions would be a round 1 grade). For me to give a guy a 3rd round grade I have to believe they can be a solid multiple year starter and then when you get into the 4th is when I can consider role players and complimentary players (which for most positions is round 3). To me both Singletary and Moss are complimentary backs and the Bills are forever trying to decide on match up and hot hand etc between them because neither has that ideal high volume back infront of them to compliment.

[thenorthremembers]

50 minutes ago, H2o said:

I would DEFINITELY be in on Barkley. If this offense had a top tier RB then we would literally be unstoppable. He's had a couple of ankle injuries and the ACL, but I wouldn't call him injury prone by any means and he is a true all purpose RB. This would maximize our window over the next couple of seasons imo. 

Its a no brainer if he is available.   You get one of the most talented backs in the league for the rest of this year, and all of next year for a little less than 10 million dollars total.    If he continues to be injury prone you move on after 2022.   

[SoCal Deek]

I haven’t read through the entire thread but isn’t the obvious answer to go fishing on the rosters of teams that are clear 2021 bottom feeders? Unfortunately two of them, the Jets and Dolphins are not going to trade with the Bills. So who’s left? Jacksonville? Houston? Detroit? NY Giants? 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Its a no brainer if he is available.   You get one of the most talented backs in the league for the rest of this year, and all of next year for a little less than 10 million dollars total.    If he continues to be injury prone you move on after 2022.   

I just can’t see the Giants trading Barkley, especially to the Bills, mainly for political/PR reasons.  It was absolutely insane to use the second pick in the draft on him, especially with Eli washed up and Josh Allen still on the board.  Trading him to the Bills for a mid round pick now makes them look even worse.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I haven’t read through the entire thread but isn’t the obvious answer to go fishing on the rosters of teams that are clear 2021 bottom feeders? Unfortunately two of them, the Jets and Dolphins are not going to trade with the Bills. So who’s left? Jacksonville? Houston? Detroit? NY Giants? 

 

Norwell the guard at Jax would be a great get and he was a Panther! He would only bring a cap hit of $2m this year too but it baloons next year so you would have to restructure.

[benderbender]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I haven’t read through the entire thread but isn’t the obvious answer to go fishing on the rosters of teams that are clear 2021 bottom feeders? Unfortunately two of them, the Jets and Dolphins are not going to trade with the Bills. So who’s left? Jacksonville? Houston? Detroit? NY Giants? 

Dean Marlowe? 😄  He's had less holding penalties on 102 yard KR TDs

[LabattBlue]

18 minutes ago, mannc said:

I just can’t see the Giants trading Barkley, especially to the Bills, mainly for political/PR reasons.  It was absolutely insane to use the second pick in the draft on him, especially with Eli washed up and Josh Allen still on the board.  Trading him to the Bills for a mid round pick now makes them look even worse.

You would not be getting Barkley for a mid-round pick.