soflabillsfan1 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th Any chance the Bills see Edmunds as a potential trade during the offseason? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th Klein is 48th? Not bad... 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th Groot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 That anyone even gives a 💩 what those schmucks bloviate on and on about is frankly a troubling point for humanities intelligence, and longevity. 4 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, StHustle said: Groot? 82nd of 101 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, Don Otreply said: That anyone even gives a 💩 what those schmucks bloviate on and on about is frankly a troubling point for humanities intelligence, and longevity. Don’t like Cris Collinsworth, don’t like his site.....somehow still open the thread and comment negatively any time “ PFF GRADES” are in the title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, MiltonWaddams said: Don’t like Cris Collinsworth, don’t like his site.....somehow still open the thread and comment negatively any time “ PFF GRADES” are in the title. That’s because I’m right on every point in every post, it’s a community service, it is done for the good of all football fans. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, Don Otreply said: That’s because I’m right on every point in every post, it’s a community service, it is done for the good of all football fans. Oh, I am not arguing. I really shouldn’t have even quoted your post. We express the same sentiment. The fact that they had Groot ranked 82 out of 101 and he’s nominated for the rookie of the week and had an incredible performance says enough. But, it is so easy to go on and on about their ridiculous rankings. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I thought we weren’t supposed to like PFF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 PFF's "grades" are terrible. Their metrics are BS, even if they made Cookie #1. @Don Otreply is right, they're 💩 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th How can this be right? There are only 32 teams...🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Any chance the Bills see Edmunds as a potential trade during the offseason? Third year captain so no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Third year captain so no.... Wont argue that point. However, my question is more around their ability to sign him longterm. If you trade him, you get a pick back and clear up 12 million in cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: How can this be right? There are only 32 teams...🤔 3-4 defense teams have 2 MLB's? Or are they rated separately as just inside linebackers? Eh who knows with them. Edited September 22, 2021 by Bferra13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th PFF still uses antiquated notions like 3-4 and 4-3. Milano is a 4-2 LB. The nickel (in all its variations) is the top defense in the NFL right now and the Bills run it more than anybody. In any case, it's good to see him get some love. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Good to see some Bills do well with their arbitrary grading and fake metrics. Good for them! 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 46 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: PFF's "grades" are terrible. Their metrics are BS, even if they made Cookie #1. @Don Otreply is right, they're 💩 It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. I could be wrong but I think the data teams value from PFF may not be these grades. PFF puts together a lot of basic data - what personnel are on the field in different packages, down and distance tendencies etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Not that it actually means anything, but Epenesa getting some props is nice to see. He kind of took over there. Had a sack, knocked a QB out of the game, and like 9 pressures on 34 snaps! Yikes!!!!! Pure BEAST! I'd love to see some more of that. Also, to the poster who used both "schmucks" and "bloviate" in the same sentence: that made my day haha! Don't see those two words used together very often. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Edmunds got a game ball damn it! He’s fine! Edmunds got the game ball vs Mia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. I dont know that teams use PFFs for their grades. There are advanced stats that are very helpful such as splits for under pressure, blitzed, personnel groupings. This can be very valuable to outsource to PFF rather than try to track it yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I think Edmunds sat most of the second half with cramps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I thought we weren’t supposed to like PFF? Only if their ranking on certain players fits your narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th Like Sammy Watkins, we just wait for this breakout that is going to happen at any minute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamat711 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 PFF had Zach Wilson graded over Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen last week. I don't care what they say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: Oh, I am not arguing. I really shouldn’t have even quoted your post. We express the same sentiment. The fact that they had Groot ranked 82 out of 101 and he’s nominated for the rookie of the week and had an incredible performance says enough. But, it is so easy to go on and on about their ridiculous rankings. 3 missed tackles in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Edmunds got the game ball vs Mia? I think he probably knows it was Edmunds accepting for the D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Any chance the Bills see Edmunds as a potential trade during the offseason? Trade or cut the guy. He does nothing to impact a game favorably for us. Just watch his play on the field. I think he has zero interceptions in 3+ seasons. Not that interceptions are the only barometer for whether a LB can play or not, but seriously my dead grandmother has better hands. No team hits on every 1st round pick. It just doesn't happen. Why this guy is still starting on our defense is a head scratcher. If we started Dodson Klein or Andre Smith at Edmonds position, I think we get better results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Idc what they say. If you know football, you can see with ur own eyes who is playing good or bad. Don't need some b.s made up system to tell me anything. After they did Allen like that in 2019, I'll never take them serious. They don't know what players assignments were on any given play. Maybe the WR messed up and made it look like the QBs fault, Maybe the CB messed up and made it look like the S fault, etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: 3 missed tackles in that game. How dare you interrupt my happiness for your reality!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: How dare you interrupt my happiness for your reality!!! I thought he played great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: How can this be right? There are only 32 teams...🤔 More than one middle linebacker plays in 34 teams 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: PFF still uses antiquated notions like 3-4 and 4-3. Milano is a 4-2 LB. The nickel (in all its variations) is the top defense in the NFL right now and the Bills run it more than anybody. In any case, it's good to see him get some love. Nickel has become the league base because of how much the league passes Milano is still very much a 4-3 outside linebacker.. he doesn't have the skills to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 or Mike in a 43 McDermott still runs a 43 under even if we're in nickel majority Edited September 22, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I don't know how they grade their edge rushers, but seeing Epenesa up there gives it some credence. The fortunate son has been been a beast. Relatedly, good call (so far) by Shrager having him as one of his 10 breakout players for 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said: Matt Milano is PFF's #1 ranked 4-3 LB Ed Oliver is ranked 25th for Interior defenders Epenesa is the 5th ranked edge defender Hughes ranks 14th Everyone's favorite MLB is ranked 48th How TF is Jerry 14th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Milano has been excellent this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. 3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. My understanding from previous posts (not necessarily fact) was that they use them for their marketing site (e.g., Milano ranked #1). The team is much better equipped to judge their own players as you point out .. they know what play was called. I would imagine they also don't use them for other team's player evals as the PFF top draft picks / top free agents don't align to draft position / contracts from what I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: It's curious. All 32 teams subscribe to PFF so they must think PFF has some value. And I've heard PFF comes up sometimes in contract negotiations. But I don't know how you can accurately grade someone if you don't know exactly what play was called, what instructions were received from the coach, what the reads were, etc. Plus sometimes a player will change what he's doing if he sees a teammate missing an assignment. Too many unknowable variables. Plus the PFF guys "swear" they can tell which teams are going by THEIR draft guide when making selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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