longtimebillsfan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 hours ago, newcam2012 said: True, it cuts both ways. Generally speaking, it has negative connotations. The term "franchise QB" is term used for the elite Qbs. No doubt Allen earned that title last year. However, it was a very small sample size. Imho, he isn't earning that title in this early season. Time will tell what label he will receive. Keep in mind the offense only played about 2 quarters the entire preseason. It has taken a couple games to find their rhythm. I believe Josh and the offense will get on track and keep improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Keep in mind the offense only played about 2 quarters the entire preseason. It has taken a couple games to find their rhythm. I believe Josh and the offense will get on track and keep improving. Disagree on it takes a couple games to find your rhythm. The offense is in tact from last year. Its not a new system or lots of new players. I can't stress how I feel like this is a big excuse being made for the Bills offenaive woes. My take is Allen os regressing. He is thinking too much, lost some confidence, locking into his receivers thus poor vision, improper footwork such as throwing off his back foot which causes inaccurate passes. Couple that with an Oline that has been porous and a run game that is below average. A bills offensive playbook that's no secret to opponents. Today we saw some glimmer of hope with the run game. Daboll seemed to be a little less predictable. Allen still didn't look good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, KzooMike said: Last 4 games: 98 of 169, 58%, 942 Yards, 6 TD's to 2 INT's, 80.53 Rating 2021: 47 of 84, 56%, 449 Yards, 3 TD's to 1 INT, 77.92 Rating 2020 Regular Season: 396 of 572, 69.2%, 4544 Yards, 37 TD's to 10 INT's, 107.1 Rating 2019 Regular Season: 271 of 461, 58.8%, 3089 Yards, 20 TD's to 9 INT's, 85.31 Rating So what we have seen this season and over the last 4 games is at or below the level of play we have seen in 2019. Which looks right from what I observed, in fact, I would say this team looks very much like the 2019 team. Allen capable of making plays, excellent defense. Playoff team, but not consistent enough to be more. The question becomes what's going on with Josh? To me Josh looks confused and indecisive which leads to a breakdown of his mechanics and poor timing in our passing game. He doesn't know where he wants to go with the ball and that is concerning. Why isn't he reading defenses as easily as he did in 2020? It seems it is not at all uncommon for QB's that have break out years to regress the next year once teams focus on taking away what they like to do with consistency. It was certainly a lot easier to communicate and audible last season. Whatever it is I don't think the answers are easy or simple. We will see soon enough. You don't think the Baltimore, Kansas City, Pittsburgh and Miami defenses had anything to do with this? Those were last year's #2, #3, #6 and #11 defenses. This year's opponents were #3 and #6. That's a very high level pair we've faced so far this year. IMO the answers are simple, but not easy, to steal from Marv. Stop killing yourself with penalties. Figure out how to adapt to what they're doing to us. Play with discipline and attention to detail. Edited September 20, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Process said: Before the Steelers game, all the talk on Steelers forums was how bad their secondary is and how Allen is going to tear them apart. They all thought we would destroy them. But we lose and Allen plays like crap and Bills fans want to say it's because the Steelers have the best defense in the league. Their defense is not one of the best in the league. The Steelers are not a good team. Derek Carr just went for 400 and a win against them in Pittsburgh. Time to face reality... Allen has been bad and needs to get it together quick. Their defense may well still be one of the best in the league. Derek Carr and the Raiders have come out on fire this year, and as stated above, they had a few guys missing against Vegas. And they destroyed our OL in that game. Allen had no time. This week he had some time but the Fins secondary played really well. Allen has been mediocre, far from very bad. It's just that last year's Allen was so very good. And best guess this early is that those were two good defenses we played. Bottom line is that we'll have to see if he gets his rhythm or not. Too early to say very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: As a long time fan you’d probably have it figured out by now that if you can’t reliably throw the ball and put up points, you aren’t likely to have any kind of sustained success. Is it really a coincidence that once we finally had a prolific passing offense we put up a bunch of points, win 13 games and make it to the AFC Championship game. Giving vague and cliche slogans like “it’s a team game” is all well and good if but there are obviously problems with the offense that don’t get us where we want to go. Do you think Josh is going to watch the film from today and not seriously critique how poorly he played at times? As a long time fan I know that without reliably putting up points in whatever manner is best for your team any given Sunday will not lead to sustained success. Yes the rule changes over the the years do favor the pass but it doesn't preclude other ways of success just the degree of effort and ability thats required to sustain that success. Yes its improbable we see many examples of a SB winner in today's pass friendly thats gonna do it with a elite defense but a substandard offense, yet 2000 ravens did just that with an offense that did not score even a touchdown in 5 straight games. Will the Bills do that highly improbable because I can't see these players going 5 games without a offensive td. So we don't even need our defense to be as elite as that 2000 Ravens squad. They are capable of being that elite potential is there just hard to execute at that elite level for that length of time even with alot of talent. Complementary teams find its easiest to succeed. Everyone says KC is the team to beat in AFC no if and or buts, yet they couldn't overcome their defenses lack of execution. If Allen is deemed to be regressing from the level he achieved in 2020 then I guess Patrick Mahomes has regressed more since he failed to maintain an even loftier spot than Josh Allen has ascended to. In fact now that Sam Darnolds with a new team and he's 2-0 maybe we didn't get the best qb in the 2018 draft (I hope you know that's heavily dosed with sarcasm). Theres nothing vague whatsoever in the cliche slogan 'it's a team game'. This is absolutely indisputably a fact. Even the great Tom Brady knows thats true - Its why he got tired of playing at a team friendly rate but did not receive an appropriate influx of talent that justified his reduced salary. Much better to be surrounded with defensive talent making your job easier and getting paid appropriately while still winning SBs. Make a convincing argument on that I don't think you can unless you show me a team that only fields only an offense or only a defense and I'll concede that it would be impossible to field a sb champ on a team that's made up of Special Teams because thats more of a cliche 'ST is 1/3 of the game' it can swing momentum certainly but it only helps drive whichever side of the ball a one dimensional team is dominant. But even ST can dominate in individual games. NYJ all field goal game win was only bass putting up points but we still needed both the offense and defense or do you dispute that in today's pass is the only thing that wins in today's game mentality that you adhere to? But that game just happened last year in the midst of Josh's breakout year as a elite passed. 18-10 final score. Josh and the Bills offense could not find the end zone once despite Josh passing for over 300 yds. Granted to Jets were a hapless dumpster fire under Adam game so our defensive shutout in 2nd half of that game wasn't that impressive to those of us that view game as a terrible coach that lived off a rep as Peyton Mannings OC in Denver as if Peyton needed an OC after practically being the offense in Indy when they were sustaining success. Yet he failed to win a SB until he had a complementary defense. And he won a second SB with Denver largely due to a good defense his arm was shot the last year by time the playoffs came round. And yes I do consider Peyton to be a better QB vs Brady straight up. Brady just had more complimentary defenses to garner his lopsided number of championships, Brady developed more as he got deeper in his career but then he started with a lower football iq imho. Manning was groomed by his father Archie from a young age so he had a leg up on Brady in that regard. Can u argue Brady had less defensive help through his patriots years than Manning did during his indy years? I don't know if anyone could as some of the patriot success is due to belichek and his defensive coaching abilities. He was the architect of the defense that was able to stop the first Bills SB team which most bills fans feel was there best matchup talentwise in their 4 trips. Edited September 20, 2021 by AuntieEm Corrections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Their defense may well still be one of the best in the league. Derek Carr and the Raiders have come out on fire this year, and as stated above, they had a few guys missing against Vegas. And they destroyed our OL in that game. Allen had no time. This week he had some time but the Fins secondary played really well. Allen has been mediocre, far from very bad. It's just that last year's Allen was so very good. And best guess this early is that those were two good defenses we played. Bottom line is that we'll have to see if he gets his rhythm or not. Too early to say very much. Curious to get your take on the Wash defense? Are they elite or top 10? D. Jones just shredded them if they helps you answer the question. Just trying to see if Allen is going to get another "pass" if he doesn't play well? At some point, it's Shi* or get off the pot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 7 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Not sure what game you watched. Allen played poorly. He missed several throws, was very inaccurate, was fortunate not to have several picks, stared down receivers, threw off his back foot, etc. He was 17-33 for 179 yards. 2 tds and 1 not. Maybe I'm lost... I guess we will see when the all-22 comes out. But I am pretty sure I am right and you are only focusing on the misses. He made some poor throws, for sure. But I think we will see that he made some great ones and that the receivers were pretty much blanketed in tight man coverage all game. Overall, my sense is that it’s some rust by him (and the other offensive skill players) and the offensive coaches still trying to get into a groove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I guess we will see when the all-22 comes out. But I am pretty sure I am right and you are only focusing on the misses. He made some poor throws, for sure. But I think we will see that he made some great ones and that the receivers were pretty much blanketed in tight man coverage all game. Overall, my sense is that it’s some rust by him (and the other offensive skill players) and the offensive coaches still trying to get into a groove. The Washington game should be a perfect game to knock off the "rust." Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: Disagree on it takes a couple games to find your rhythm. The offense is in tact from last year. Its not a new system or lots of new players. I can't stress how I feel like this is a big excuse being made for the Bills offenaive woes. My take is Allen os regressing. He is thinking too much, lost some confidence, locking into his receivers thus poor vision, improper footwork such as throwing off his back foot which causes inaccurate passes. Couple that with an Oline that has been porous and a run game that is below average. A bills offensive playbook that's no secret to opponents. Today we saw some glimmer of hope with the run game. Daboll seemed to be a little less predictable. Allen still didn't look good. Maybe you should find a hobby that's less stressful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I guess we will see when the all-22 comes out. But I am pretty sure I am right and you are only focusing on the misses. He made some poor throws, for sure. But I think we will see that he made some great ones and that the receivers were pretty much blanketed in tight man coverage all game. Overall, my sense is that it’s some rust by him (and the other offensive skill players) and the offensive coaches still trying to get into a groove. good points but I don't understand why he would be rusty? Training camp, preseason, practice and 2 games so far. He's been playing football almost everyday for months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Seems to me that Josh is playing tentatively. Almost like the pressure of his contract is influencing his play. The offensive line isn’t helping either. Let Diggs give him a “John Henderson slap” and tell him to unleash the Kraken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: Maybe you should find a hobby that's less stressful. Maybe you should try to intellectually add something to the conversation instead of slinging personal attacks. All good here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, nucci said: good points but I don't understand why he would be rusty? Training camp, preseason, practice and 2 games so far. He's been playing football almost everyday for months now. My only thought on this is that it’s different when live bullets are flying. Also, it doesn’t seem Like he is in sync yet with E. Sanders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, nucci said: good points but I don't understand why he would be rusty? Training camp, preseason, practice and 2 games so far. He's been playing football almost everyday for months now. The rust argument is pretty weak and that'ss being kind. The issues.are the Oline, run game, play calling, and Allen's mechanics and confidence. Not saying things can't turn around for the positive. Rust has nothing to do with it. A valid argument as stated here is the Bills faced 2 good defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, newcam2012 said: Maybe you should try to intellectually add something to the conversation instead of slinging personal attacks. All good here... Ad soon as you post something intellectual I'll be sure to respond. Its pretty simple while Allen and the rest of the O isn't quite yet in mid-season form, the Chicken Littles are out in force after a 35-0 win over a division rival. You are trolling amigo, plain and simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: Ad soon as you post something intellectual I'll be sure to respond. Its pretty simple while Allen and the rest of the O isn't quite yet in mid-season form, the Chicken Littles are out in force after a 35-0 win over a division rival. You are trolling amigo, plain and simple. No I'm not. Look at my post after the game. I gave my props to the Bills for the win, praised several players, likef the running game, and the play calling. The troll label always rears its ugly head when people don't like the valid criticism of the Bills players who are under performing. Your right on point and I expected the shots fired. 12 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Seems to me that Josh is playing tentatively. Almost like the pressure of his contract is influencing his play. The offensive line isn’t helping either. Let Diggs give him a “John Henderson slap” and tell him to unleash the Kraken. I agree with the tentative comment. Not sure I can agree with the pressure of the contract angle though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 i think it's obvious to everyone that josh hasn't played the way he should so far. the question is do you want to hit the panic button now or not? i'm not there yet. i think josh will settle in and this team will evolve. how a team plays not is not a representation of how they might be playing in the final quarter of the season...good or bad. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 We're at a luxury at this point where we can probably be good enough while he plays through this rut of his that we'll still be a playoff team. He has plenty of time to figure it out. We just have to hope that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Defenses are treating the bills how they treat the chiefs. They tell the defensive line to worry about pass rush first, then have the dbs force the QB to his 3rd or 4th read Allen and daboll are compounding this with stubbornness The bills need to run the ball and switch up the first and second read receivers on a handful of plays The second half in Miami was a great start to rebounding in my opinion Edited September 20, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: Keep in mind the offense only played about 2 quarters the entire preseason. It has taken a couple games to find their rhythm. I believe Josh and the offense will get on track and keep improving. What about every other team whos starters barely played pre-season? That excuse doesn't work. Allen has been off, he needs to figure it out, or this team wont go far. This team goes as Allen goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Vertig0 said: 100% agree. Again, I think he'll be fine, but he's always been a self inflicted victim of hype. He came out of the tunnel in Buffalo to 'MVP' chants, he was given a $150+ million contract, he's getting national media attention and ads for the first time ever and the Bills are a super bowl favorite. Bundle all of that up given his personality and he's back to thinking that he needs to win the game every play. He's over throwing, over thinking and putting way to much pressure on himself. You can almost see it in his eyes. He wants it too badly and despite it all, you can't hate him for that. Give the kid a little time to re-ground himself, let his teammates show him "look Josh, you had a ***** day and we won 35-0, we got you, you don't have to do this alone, this is a team game" and let him realize that he doesn't need the constant self pressure and he'll be back to 2020, zero expectations Josh Allen. I'm confident he'll get there. I think you nailed it here. I can see it in his eyes, facial expressions, and rosy cheeks. I’m no expert here and that might sound completely idiotic, but those 3 attributes are dead giveaways to me. I think he’s putting way too much pressure on himself instead of letting things come to him naturally. Luckily, no hero ball yet. It’s throwing off his mechanics and overall decision making. It’s not all on him I get that. The O~line has been atrocious and receivers are not separating. Overall, I do think this is a mental thing and I do think Josh is intelligent enough to recognize and address it. Hopefully he comes around quickly and we’ll be singing his praises again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Watch the throws again. Most of the time he’s fading away from “pressure” (real or imagined) and throwing off his back foot, sometimes lofting/feathering the ball to account for the earlier release. He doesn’t trust his protection. Edited September 20, 2021 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, CountDorkula said: What about every other team whos starters barely played pre-season? That excuse doesn't work. Allen has been off, he needs to figure it out, or this team wont go far. This team goes as Allen goes. Some teams did choose to play their starters in pre-season. Example, Mahomes and the KC offense played a lot in the preseason. I'm not saying that's what causing this but Andy Reid is a firm believer in using the preseason to get into a early rhythm. I think it's a combo of things. OL being bad isn't helping and Josh said on Saturday Daboll was putting new plays into the gameplan. Which they had to use pregame to practice. That isn't going to help. Agreed this team goes where Allen does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Where is his oft praised QB whisperer when desperately needed? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: It is the way Defenses are going to play him this year. No Smoke no speed over the top and Dabol must be more balanced this year. I have thought that on almost every throw to Sanders - 'those were "Smoke" balls. Josh does not seem to be in sync with Sanders. (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) I have to correct myself.. earlier in the thread I pointed to Derek Carr going off on the Steelers… Did not know he played the Wal-Mart brand Steelers with no Haden or Bush, and TJ Watt leaving the game early. So far, we’ve played two good defenses and our offense looks completely out of sync.. both can be true. It’s not just Allen, not just the OL, not just the WRs. Allen is off when he has time and an open WR. OL played better against Miami but was historically bad against PIT. WR’s seem to be getting no separation and/or Allen just isn’t seeing the field and is forcing the ball where there’s traffic. Whatever it is, I have faith it can be fixed… but in the meantime, I’ll laugh a little that I’m finding Knox and our running game to be the most reliable aspects of our offense through two games. Edited September 20, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Maybe his baseline is going to be somewhere between 2019 and 2020. There’s no guarantee he can repeat last season’s performance. This is true whether you paid him or not. Lots of NFL QBs have had a year and never quite reached that level again. Regardless of what fans want, we just don’t know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Year 4, stadiums are roaring, hes an emotional kid Hes playing to his emotions still. Hes gotta learn to calm himself mentally and get back to those quiet stadium days. Hes certainly not at his best. Steelers pass rush and fins pass defense two real tough matchups though. Lets see how he does the next 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Bangarang said: 10 starters returned. No coaching or scheme changes. But it’s getting in sync with Sanders that is part of the issue? I don’t buy that for a second. One new receiver can absolutely change the chemistry. There are plays where he normally would look for Beasley or Diggs where he appears to be trying to force it to Sanders. I believe they will get their rhythm and timing down as they get experience together (Allen and all of the WR’s) but only time will tell for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: One new receiver can absolutely change the chemistry. There are plays where he normally would look for Beasley or Diggs where he appears to be trying to force it to Sanders. I believe they will get their rhythm and timing down as they get experience together (Allen and all of the WR’s) but only time will tell for sure. IM sorry to me this is BS. The excuses need to stop. Players are in and out of systems all the time, Good QBs don't miss a beat. They just make it work. Rodgers is still MVP, without a lick of talent on that team outside of Adams. Allen and the offense needs to figure it out, whatever it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) The oline looks like *****. You can tell he ain’t comfortable standing behind them right now. A lot of the time he’s taking off early. If the line get their ***** together and he’s still struggling then we got a problem. There were times he probably could of stuck in there yesterday but I think it’s in his head at this point 35 points against a good D playing while our group is still struggling. I’ll take that. Move on to the next and work on improving Edited September 20, 2021 by BananaB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just call a spade a spade. Allen looks like crap. I am super confident that he'll right the ship; but to say he hasn't been pretty bad is simply wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 15 hours ago, KzooMike said: Last 4 games: 98 of 169, 58%, 942 Yards, 6 TD's to 2 INT's, 80.53 Rating 2021: 47 of 84, 56%, 449 Yards, 3 TD's to 1 INT, 77.92 Rating 2020 Regular Season: 396 of 572, 69.2%, 4544 Yards, 37 TD's to 10 INT's, 107.1 Rating 2019 Regular Season: 271 of 461, 58.8%, 3089 Yards, 20 TD's to 9 INT's, 85.31 Rating So what we have seen this season and over the last 4 games is at or below the level of play we have seen in 2019. Which looks right from what I observed, in fact, I would say this team looks very much like the 2019 team. Allen capable of making plays, excellent defense. Playoff team, but not consistent enough to be more. The question becomes what's going on with Josh? To me Josh looks confused and indecisive which leads to a breakdown of his mechanics and poor timing in our passing game. He doesn't know where he wants to go with the ball and that is concerning. Why isn't he reading defenses as easily as he did in 2020? It seems it is not at all uncommon for QB's that have break out years to regress the next year once teams focus on taking away what they like to do with consistency. It was certainly a lot easier to communicate and audible last season. Whatever it is I don't think the answers are easy or simple. We will see soon enough. No offense (see what I did there? heh) but generally speaking when someone picks a non-standard grouping to analyze, it's a sign of cherrypicking data to prove a point. Why not pick the last 4 regular season games, or the last 8 regular season games? I expect you could pick a couple 4 week windows in 2020 and argue that Josh Allen is looking like 2019 Josh Allen. Try week 3-6 or week 4-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: One new receiver can absolutely change the chemistry. There are plays where he normally would look for Beasley or Diggs where he appears to be trying to force it to Sanders. I believe they will get their rhythm and timing down as they get experience together (Allen and all of the WR’s) but only time will tell for sure. Come on....that's a big reach there...one WR....... The Rams have a different QB who sat the entire preseason and seem fine... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Allen is off right now. But he's in command of the offense much more than he was in 2019. Teams are figuring out how to make it difficult for him. He's been thrown off a little bit. I'm really not worried about him. But I expected a regression to somewhere between his 2019 and 2020 play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: IM sorry to me this is BS. The excuses need to stop. Players are in and out of systems all the time, Good QBs don't miss a beat. They just make it work. Rodgers is still MVP, without a lick of talent on that team outside of Adams. Allen and the offense needs to figure it out, whatever it is. Interesting you should mention Rodgers, given that there have been a couple of years here and there were the Narrative was "he's done" 2017 2018 for example; earlier in his career he had great seasons followed by "Meh" seasons. Remember R-E-L-A-X? Quote By the time McCarthy was fired during a 6-9-1 Packers season in 2018, Rodgers had established a reputation as an aging action hero who could no longer do many of his own stunts but still demanded script and casting approval; the Packers, by extension, had fallen from perennial contenders to a straight-to-streaming “Taken” sequel. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: IM sorry to me this is BS. The excuses need to stop. Players are in and out of systems all the time, Good QBs don't miss a beat. They just make it work. Rodgers is still MVP, without a lick of talent on that team outside of Adams. Allen and the offense needs to figure it out, whatever it is. Oh, I agree. My point is, I think they will figure it out. I’m just glad they are shutting out divisional opponents while they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: One new receiver can absolutely change the chemistry. There are plays where he normally would look for Beasley or Diggs where he appears to be trying to force it to Sanders. I believe they will get their rhythm and timing down as they get experience together (Allen and all of the WR’s) but only time will tell for sure. Still not buying it. Maybe you’d have a point of Josh was struggling to only throw the ball to Sanders but he’s not. Edited September 20, 2021 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 On several occasions, Josh was throwing touch passes when he needs to zing it, and zinging it when he needed to throw touch. He's also holding the ball 0.5 to 1 second too long. He's not processing the field as quickly as he did last year, and maybe it's the defensive coordinators confusing the heck out of him with wrinkles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Still not buying it. Maybe you’d have a point of Josh was struggling to only throw the ball to Sanders but he’s not. Last year, it seemed like Allen and Beasley read eachothers minds and Allen knew where he would be if he needed an outlet. I am not seeing that yet. I attribute it to getting used to the new receiver in the room, but maybe that is not it. But as of right now, I am not worried, I believe what I saw last year was real, and they will all be on the same page soon. <fingers crossed> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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