BillsFan1 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Go for it from the 35 on 4th down Go for it from the 50 on 4th down From the 35. Trust Bass. Field Goal Try From the 50 Trust Your D, Pin Pittsburgh Deep, Instead his decisions gave Pittsburgh good/great field position twice. Why? He knows as well as anyone the significance field position and momentum plays, If Bass makes the kick, that is a huge boost for the Bills. Punt from the 50 and play D. Pittsburgh is not KC on offense. Even with McDermott's field position gifts, the Bills D only gave up 16 points. Good enough to win. If he coaches better, and plays field position, they most likely give up less. Too much Coaching to be a hero. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Analytics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I think McD & Daboll are in the top tier of coaches in the NFL. But people have off days. I think if you asked them, they'd say today was an off day. They were terrible today. Almost inexplicable. Like Allen, they'll be back. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Not today. Football is a field position game. McDermott's poor decision making helped hang the L on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 How about playing man with inferior corners against those WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Go for it from the 35 on 4th down Go for it from the 50 on 4th down From the 35. Trust Bass. Field Goal Try From the 50 Trust Your D, Pin Pittsburgh Deep, Instead his decisions gave Pittsburgh good/great field position twice. Why? He knows as well as anyone the significance field position and momentum plays, If Bass makes the kick, that is a huge boost for the Bills. Punt from the 50 and play D. Pittsburgh is not KC on offense. Even with McDermott's field position gifts, the Bills D only gave up 16 points. Good enough to win. If he coaches better, and plays field position, they most likely give up less. Too much Coaching to be a hero. No problem with decisions to go for it, both his assistants struggled with play calling . The 4th down call where Josh throws it back was a huge stinker and Frazier again like in the game against KC played too conservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: No problem with decisions to go for it, both his assistants struggled with play calling . The 4th down call where Josh throws it back was a huge stinker and Frazier again like in the game against KC played too conservative Disagree on Leslie. Thought his playcalling was good. Didn't like McDermott's decisions today for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I’m letting Bass kick anything inside 55 yds. Wind dependent…. But 4th & 8, to throw the ball 30 yards down the field? I’d say better odds kicking the FG!!!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I don't fault McDermott going for it if this were last year and we were rolling. This year, with a retooled OL, Dawkins struggling, Josh clearly not in a rhythm, it seemed very off. Did the big contract Allen got include "go for it" veto power? He always want to go for it, and I love that about him. But we need a coach to override with experience. It was as if we were trying to gamble on last year's credit. And we ate the losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Go for it from the 35 on 4th down Go for it from the 50 on 4th down From the 35. Trust Bass. Field Goal Try From the 50 Trust Your D, Pin Pittsburgh Deep, Instead his decisions gave Pittsburgh good/great field position twice. Why? He knows as well as anyone the significance field position and momentum plays, If Bass makes the kick, that is a huge boost for the Bills. Punt from the 50 and play D. Pittsburgh is not KC on offense. Even with McDermott's field position gifts, the Bills D only gave up 16 points. Good enough to win. If he coaches better, and plays field position, they most likely give up less. Too much Coaching to be a hero. He stinks FIRE HIS ARSE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Go for it from the 35 on 4th down Go for it from the 50 on 4th down From the 35. Trust Bass. Field Goal Try From the 50 Trust Your D, Pin Pittsburgh Deep, Instead his decisions gave Pittsburgh good/great field position twice. Why? He knows as well as anyone the significance field position and momentum plays, If Bass makes the kick, that is a huge boost for the Bills. Punt from the 50 and play D. Pittsburgh is not KC on offense. Even with McDermott's field position gifts, the Bills D only gave up 16 points. Good enough to win. If he coaches better, and plays field position, they most likely give up less. Too much Coaching to be a hero. Even with all of this a blocked punt for a TD was the difference in the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Analytics Then ***** Analytics 1 minute ago, Azucho98 said: Even with all of this a blocked punt for a TD was the difference in the game. True Dat. But if we had more points on the board and made the Steelers drive down a long field, maybe the blocked punt TD is not the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Outcoached by…Mike Tomlin. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Go for it from the 35 on 4th down Go for it from the 50 on 4th down From the 35. Trust Bass. Field Goal Try From the 50 Trust Your D, Pin Pittsburgh Deep, Instead his decisions gave Pittsburgh good/great field position twice. Why? He knows as well as anyone the significance field position and momentum plays, If Bass makes the kick, that is a huge boost for the Bills. Punt from the 50 and play D. Pittsburgh is not KC on offense. Even with McDermott's field position gifts, the Bills D only gave up 16 points. Good enough to win. If he coaches better, and plays field position, they most likely give up less. Too much Coaching to be a hero. Don’t think we can mention decision making without mentioning the playcall of the pitch back to Singletary on 4th and 1. Yes, probably that was Daboll’s call, but it was so bizarre I just heard a commentator saying “that play looked good on the board in July, not on the field in September”. I can’t say they’re wrong. 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Outcoached by…Mike Tomlin. Not sure what your intended point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Meh. They did this plenty last season and it worked. I’ll say it again, the Bills lost because Josh Allen, Daboll and the offense were *****…. That falls on McD as well. You can say it again and again. But that won't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Steel City Mafia said: Analytics No way did analytics tell him to not go for it on 4th and short and then go for it on 4th and 8. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Anybody defending Sean McDermott after today’s bs performance is just a homer at this point. Guy was gutless in the AFC Title game, and it carried over to Game 1 today. I’ve said all off season I wanted to see Josh perform with fans in the stands. So far, epic failure. He fkn sucked today. His missed throws are the reason we lost. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 McD had a poor game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 We don’t ever need to play scared again. Mcd finally learned last year not to, and now it backfires once, and people want Jauron ball, stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Bills Fan reactions: 2019: 4th and 3 @ midfield - Punt "McD is too conservative playing Jauron ball. Needs to to for it" 2021: 4th and 3 @ midfield- Goes for it "McD is a horrible game manager. Clearly should have punted" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 If Josh threw like 3 throws a little more accurate we win this. bomb to sanders comes to mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The play calling was garbage. Bills should've scored 30 in this game. No play action, zero screens (as usual), no jet sweeps etc. Too much trying to push the ball down field constantly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Setting up five wide on offense 75% of the offensive plays was inexcusable. They told Pittsburgh exactly what was coming every single time. Play calling was atrocious today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: The play calling was garbage. Bills should've scored 30 in this game. No play action, zero screens (as usual), no jet sweeps etc. Too much trying to push the ball down field constantly. Our play action is faking the pass and running the draw. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 That 4th and 8 was big. I was watching Bass make 60 yarders before the game with no problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I think Mcdermott only made the right decision to go for it or not on 4th down once today, and that ended up being a spectacularly bad play call. In order: 4th and 1 from our own 46 with 2:41 left in 1st Q. We punted and probably should've gone for it. 4th and 3 from Pitt 43 with 10:58 left in the 2nd Q. We punted and probably should've gone for it. 4th and 8 from Pitt 35 with 5:54 in the 3rd Q. McDermott's decision to go for it in this situation was absolutely ludicrous. One of the worst in game decisions of his career. This was probably the first NFL game I've ever seen where the leading team went for a 4th down of that distance. 4th and 1 from Pitt 41 with 13:46 in the 4th. It was the right choice to go for it, and the only one I agree with McD on from today. The play call however.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Success said: I think McD & Daboll are in the top tier of coaches in the NFL. But people have off days. I think if you asked them, they'd say today was an off day. They were terrible today. Almost inexplicable. Like Allen, they'll be back. I wish you would've posted this before I burned my #17 jersey! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Success said: I think McD & Daboll are in the top tier of coaches in the NFL. But people have off days. I think if you asked them, they'd say today was an off day. They were terrible today. Almost inexplicable. Like Allen, they'll be back. Daboll and McD appear to have their "off days" against elite D's. Trend is horrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) R-E-L-A-X. It's week 1. We got 16 more to play. Edited September 13, 2021 by KGun12TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Daboll and McD appear to have their "off days" against elite D's. Trend is horrid. Can we get some stats or are you just going to show up in every thread and troll all week? It's fine if it's true... more than happy to have that discussion... but it's not true just because you say it. Edited September 13, 2021 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Don’t think we can mention decision making without mentioning the playcall of the pitch back to Singletary on 4th and 1. Yes, probably that was Daboll’s call, but it was so bizarre I just heard a commentator saying “that play looked good on the board in July, not on the field in September”. I can’t say they’re wrong. Not sure what your intended point is? Tomlin isn’t famous as a game day tactician… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 We lost cuz Josh was not good today. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: Can we get some stats or are you just going to show up in every thread and troll all week? It's fine if it's true... more than happy to have that discussion... but it's not true just because you say it. ok, then in important games. Did they not choke against KC twice?. They did. Also awful against Baltimore last year in the playoffs, and against Tenn in the regular season. Come out against a great PIT defense today (that was missing one of it's best players in Tuitt, btw) and again were awful. And I'm not trolling, are you going to be here all week like the offense is fine and Daboll is a good play caller? Is that your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ok, then in important games. Did they not choke against KC twice?. They did. Also awful against Baltimore last year in the playoffs, and against Tenn in the regular season. Come out against a great PIT defense today (that was missing one of it's best players in Tuitt, btw) and again were awful. And I'm not trolling, are you going to be here all week like the offense is fine and Daboll is a good play caller? Is that your position? And they haven't won any important games at any point during the regular season or playoffs? They didn't beat the Colts last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the Ravens last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the same Steelers team (11-1 going into the game) last year during the regular season? They didn't smack a playoff hopeful Miami Dolphins week 17? 49ers last season? They beat the Rams last year? Didn't we beat the most top 10 defenses (according to DVOA)? All those teams I'm listing out there were considered top of line defenses. You're trolling until you actually start putting together a fair argument that looks at everything objectively... this is why I am asking for stats and facts... not your personal anecdotes. Also, please show me where I said any of those words that you so kindly put into my mouth...? Edited September 13, 2021 by JGMcD2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The offensive play calling was baffling today. And josh played very spotty. Some of this falls on McD. But let’s not pretend he isn’t a good coach and he has this team in the SB hunt under his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ok, then in important games. Did they not choke against KC twice?. They did. Also awful against Baltimore last year in the playoffs, and against Tenn in the regular season. Come out against a great PIT defense today (that was missing one of it's best players in Tuitt, btw) and again were awful. And I'm not trolling, are you going to be here all week like the offense is fine and Daboll is a good play caller? Is that your position? KC is the best in the league, I don't see how losing to them is "choking" TENN was a very special set of circumstances, you have to admit. We played outstanding against Baltimore. Have some nuance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ok, then in important games. Did they not choke against KC twice?. They did. Also awful against Baltimore last year in the playoffs, and against Tenn in the regular season. Come out against a great PIT defense today (that was missing one of it's best players in Tuitt, btw) and again were awful. And I'm not trolling, are you going to be here all week like the offense is fine and Daboll is a good play caller? Is that your position? 7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: And they haven't won any important games at any point during the regular season or playoffs? They didn't beat the Colts last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the Ravens last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the same Steelers team (11-1 going into the game) last year during the regular season? They didn't smack a playoff hopeful Miami Dolphins week 17? 49ers last season? They beat the Rams last year? Didn't we beat the most top 10 defenses (according to DVOA)? All those teams I'm listing out there were considered top of line defenses. You're trolling until you actually start putting together a fair argument that looks at everything objectively... this is why I am asking for stats and facts... not your personal anecdotes. Also, please show me where I said any of those words that you so kindly put into my mouth...? 2020 DVOA Defense Rankings #1 Pittsburgh (W) #4 Los Angeles (W) #6 San Francisco (W) #7 Indianapolis (W) #9 Baltimore (W) #10 Arizona (L) #11 Miami (W x2) 7-1 against top tier defenses last year? We can do top 10... 5-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: And they haven't won any important games at any point during the regular season or playoffs? They didn't beat the Colts last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the Ravens last year in the playoffs? They didn't beat the same Steelers team (11-1 going into the game) last year during the regular season? They didn't smack a playoff hopeful Miami Dolphins week 17? 49ers last season? They beat the Rams last year? Didn't we beat the most top 10 defenses (according to DVOA)? You're trolling until you actually start putting together a fair argument that looks at everything objectively... this is why I am asking for stats and facts... not your personal anecdotes. Also, please show me where I said any of those words that you so kindly put into my mouth...? you are clearly the one trolling here, and are the one who is trying to make this personal. I said they had problems with those defenses, and they did. You have done nothing to refute those arguments (in fact, in 2 of those games Allen was the leading rusher, not a sustainable formula). And how a defense is ranked overall is not an indicator of where it is when we are playing them. I.E. the 49ers were banged up last year when we played them, and Pitt was on a decline that anyone could see, what would have happened if we had PIT week one last year?? And we lost to KC and Tenn in the regular season, in EMBARASSING fashion. And what words did I "put in your mouth". I asked if your position was that Daboll was a good playcaller, particularly in important games against good teams. (the RAMS, who traded their QB, and a Tua led Dolphins team appear to be your counterargument here). They have won a total of 2 playoff games, neither in dominant fashion, and then got brutally exposed in the AFC Championship game, and again today. 7 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: KC is the best in the league, I don't see how losing to them is "choking" TENN was a very special set of circumstances, you have to admit. We played outstanding against Baltimore. Have some nuance. 1. Tampa, who subsequently destroyed KC, would disagree. 2. We were embarrassed by KC. Our offense was awful, and we got no where near Mahomes. 3. Tenn had COVID issues, that should have been the unprepared team. As I recall, they didn't even practice much before the game. 4. Our D was okay against a Balt, offense was passable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: you are clearly the one trolling here, and are the one who is trying to make this personal. I said they had problems with those defenses, and they did. You have done nothing to refute those arguments (in fact, in 2 of those games Allen was the leading rusher, not a sustainable formula). And how a defense is ranked overall is not an indicator of where it is when we are playing them. I.E. the 49ers were banged up last year when we played them, and Pitt was on a decline that anyone could see, what would have happened if we had PIT week one last year?? And we lost to KC and Tenn in the regular season, in EMBARASSING fashion. And what words did I "put in your mouth". I asked if your position was that Daboll was a good playcaller, particularly in important games against good teams. (the RAMS, who traded their QB, and a Tua led Dolphins team appear to be your counterargument here). They have won a total of 2 playoff games, neither in dominant fashion, and then got brutally exposed in the AFC Championship game, and again today. When did I make anything personal or accuse you of making anything personal? You're arguing with anecdotes again and not facts. You said they have their "off-days" with elite D's and it's troubling trend. Are teams not going to have problems against good defenses? Of course they had problems against good defenses.. ultimately they adjusted and won 5/6 football games. I'm here trying to define what you're actually saying to see if it's true. I showed you they went 5-1 against teams that were top-end defenses last year... they averaged 28 points/game. If the 49ers get a pass for being banged up and the Steelers get a pass for falling apart... does that mean we get a pass for playing Tennessee last year with unprecedented circumstances or because all of our WRs were seriously hurt when we played KC in the AFC Championship game? Of course we don't get a pass for that. Edited September 13, 2021 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: 2020 DVOA Defense Rankings #1 Pittsburgh (W) #4 Los Angeles (W) #6 San Francisco (W) #7 Indianapolis (W) #9 Baltimore (W) #10 Arizona (L) #11 Miami (W x2) 7-1 against top tier defenses last year? We can do top 10... 5-1 your talking win-loss, I'm talking offensive game play. Pittsburgh: bad team when we played them, they coasted to 11-1 on cupcakes, then imploded. LA: That was a good offensive game v. a good defensive team. SF was banged up I believe when we played them. Indy, again, not a great offensive game. Balt: Same, not good on offense. AZ: We lost. My point is, Daboll's playcalling fails at important times against good teams. The one dimensional offensive stuff is not sustainable. Agree, or no. Really doesn't matter to me if you do or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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