78thealltimegreat Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: McDermott announced on WGR Pretty obvious Steelers want to limit Joshs possessions and run the ball to control TOP going to be that way this year a lot run d has got to step up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Zimmer would be out of position their too, but they like his versatility. Coming into the season, I too felt that Zimmer was strictly a 1T guy Per the depth chart on Buffalobills.com, 1TDT is where they have him listed, as his primary position. It's not because there's someone else listed as #3 behind Oliver and Butler So I think this reflects how the Bills are looking at him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Does this mean we have room to bring Duke back? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: According to the depth chart, they've decided that Zimmer can play 1TDT. I don't think Oliver is going to be asked to play 1TDT this season. The guy who is going to be put out of position again (if any) is Butler Horrible Harry is going to have a huge game Sunday and make Star the guy coming in off the bench week 2. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just now, frostbitmic said: Horrible Harry is going to have a huge game Sunday and make Star the guy coming in off the bench week 2. And I would be good with that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 If the Steelers run all over us I hope Star being out isn't the excuse we hear. I think one of the regrets that Beane is going to have along with DB and guard is not adequately addressing the DT position in the offseason. Sure if Star is healthy and has something left he's going to help a little but he's far from the savior some are making him out to be and it's not a promising sign he's already dealing with an injury before playing a down in the regular season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I suspect they planned to cut Star last offseason (or at least force a paycut) but then he opted out and screwed that plan. so why wouldnt they have cut him this offseason instead? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just now, FilthyBeast said: If the Steelers run all over us I hope Star being out isn't the excuse we hear. I think one of the regrets that Beane is going to have along with DB and guard is not adequately addressing the DT position in the offseason. Sure if Star is healthy and has something left he's going to help a little but he's far from the savior some are making him out to be and it's not a promising sign he's already dealing with an injury before playing a down in the regular season. What do you people want us to do? Carry multiple 1 techs? We aren’t designed to be dominant against the run. We should expect, with all the investments made, to be solid against the run though. We play two linebackers primarily. That isn’t a team that seems overly worried about being a run stuffing unit. The Steelers OL is pretty inexperienced and littered with mid-round picks. If our DL minus Star struggles with them, that’s a problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: so why wouldnt they have cut him this offseason instead? Someone explained it earlier - basically to avoid a huge cap hit they have to wait until next offseason. The opt-out killed their plan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Someone explained it earlier - basically to avoid a huge cap hit they have to wait until next offseason. The opt-out killed their plan. yes that is correct. So your saying you suspect the plan was to cut him THIS offseason (Before this season), but now they have to wait until next offseason....ok I get that. And yes that has been widely suspected based on the structure of his deal. I would imagine he will take a paycut if he wants to stay with us. He only makes like 6 million against the cap this year (which would have been last year) but it goes up for next season. None of that is related to his impact on the game though. We just cannot afford to pay big money to him with our roster makeup. opt out didnt kill their plan, it just kicked it down the road a year, which im sure they are grateful for now. We get an impactful Star at a decent cost for a super bowl run Edited September 10, 2021 by PaattMaann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, PaattMaann said: yes that is correct. So your saying you suspect the plan was to cut him THIS offseason (Before this season), but now they have to wait until next offseason....ok I get that. And yes that has been widely suspected based on the structure of his deal. I would imagine he will take a paycut if he wants to stay with us. He only makes like 6 million against the cap this year (which would have been last year) but it goes up for next season. None of that is related to his impact on the game though. We just cannot afford to pay big money to him with our roster makeup. Correct. Although I have doubts about his “impact on the game,” agree it’s a separate point. The issue is he takes up a lot of cap relative to his actual contribution (availability). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Someone explained it earlier - basically to avoid a huge cap hit they have to wait until next offseason. The opt-out killed their plan. Next offseason we can finally get away. Post-June 1 cut is like 2.6m dead cap, something like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Process said: McBeane is definitely not without flaws. Relying on Star as a solution to a major hole we had at DT was a very poor decision, IMO. DT and CB depth was a major issue last season, it's really hard to be understand why they did nothing to address it. Really? There's only so much cap. They put a lot into the edges. Edited September 10, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Yeah i know they have najee now and all but i feel like they might come out with 3 step drops to try to negate our rush all day. We need levi and taron big this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Pretty obvious Steelers want to limit Joshs possessions and run the ball to control TOP going to be that way this year a lot run d has got to step up If that works that’s good for them, I’m not sure that’s the path to beating the Bills. They will need to score a lot of points regardless of how many possessions the Bills have. Maybe I’m wrong, Jmo but playing keep away only works for so long against explosive passing offenses. Edited September 10, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: If the Steelers run all over us I hope Star being out isn't the excuse we hear. I think one of the regrets that Beane is going to have along with DB and guard is not adequately addressing the DT position in the offseason. Sure if Star is healthy and has something left he's going to help a little but he's far from the savior some are making him out to be and it's not a promising sign he's already dealing with an injury before playing a down in the regular season. If the Steelers set up to run most of the game would McDermott bring Klein in and go with a standard 3 LB set? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 The best run defense is a great offense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If that works that’s good for them, I’m not sure that’s the path to beating the Bills. They will need to score a lot of points regardless of how many possessions the Bills have. Maybe I’m wrong, Jmo but playing keep away only works for so long against explosive passing offenses. Right. The other thing is have they got the Oline to make long possessions happen? That's what I will be watching. PFF had them ranked 31st going Into the season ... Edited September 10, 2021 by Seoulofstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I'm sorry but he has been such a disappointment and unreliable. Takes a year off then this? Really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 I think the Steelers should be more concerned about the Bills running game to be honest. They are going to need to keep a safety deep and are missing tuitt and Dupree is gone. Highsmith is soft against the run, Devin bush doesn’t look like his old self yet, and daboll is likely going to try to run on the perimeter. I expect jet sweeps. 2 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said: Right. The other thing is have they got the Oline to make long possessions happen? That's what I will be watching. PFF had them ranked 31st going Into the season ... I don’t know but their rookie C had only played center for 4 games on college. They are relying a lot on rookies both on the OL and RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorgus Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, SCBills said: For me, it’s Matt Canada. He’s an unknown, but his college offenses are a HEAVY misdirection run game. Going to need a lot of eye discipline if his history is any indication. Is he a northern relative of Ron Mexico? Edited September 10, 2021 by Amorgus 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Bummer. Hope he’s back next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: There’s a guy who plays for Georgia (can’t remember his name but he’s a monster 6’5 well over 300 and athletic)... I would sell the house for something like that next draft...we have missed far too often on our interior dline.... You don't need to sell the house for a 2 down player He's not going in the first round because he has little pass rush upside in the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 While I love McBeane and everything they’ve done to date, I think putting all their eggs in one basket on having one DT [Lotulelei] be the main cog to take on double teams, free up Oliver and help free up their LB’s was a huge misjudgment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, SCBills said: What do you people want us to do? Carry multiple 1 techs? We aren’t designed to be dominant against the run. We should expect, with all the investments made, to be solid against the run though. We play two linebackers primarily. That isn’t a team that seems overly worried about being a run stuffing unit. The Steelers OL is pretty inexperienced and littered with mid-round picks. If our DL minus Star struggles with them, that’s a problem. It's not about being dominant against the run it's the over reliance and confidence in a 30 something 'Carolina guy' who hasn't played football in almost 2 years and has never been that good to begin with. This is also why I worry about going up against teams like the Browns and Titans in the playoffs because it's a bad matchup since they can kill us with the run and set up the play action passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) I understand the disappointment, but the Bills won 15 games last year without Star, the DL is well versed on playing without him there, and are facing one of the worst and least experienced OLs in the league. If this is what leads to a loss, this team has much bigger issues. based on McDermott’s comments on his injury earlier this week, I’d expect him back for week 2; he doesn’t have an injury history since he’s been here . Edited September 10, 2021 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: He's a monster. We need someone like that so bad Guys like Vea don’t grow on trees. No trees strong enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I kind of liked the back up defensive line in preseason more anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Coming into the season, I too felt that Zimmer was strictly a 1T guy Per the depth chart on Buffalobills.com, 1TDT is where they have him listed, as his primary position. It's not because there's someone else listed as #3 behind Oliver and Butler So I think this reflects how the Bills are looking at him right now. I think they look at Harry, Zimmer, Oliver, Butler as all versatile enough to man the spot, but none are true 1Ts from what I can tell. They're all 1T/3T (Oliver can play 4T/5T too). Star is the only true 1T who was brought in exclusively for that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You don't need to sell the house for a 2 down player He's not going in the first round because he has little pass rush upside in the NFL With the Bills having a decent and I'd say fairly deep roster there's not alot of room for draftees to make the team that allows Beane to package picks for moving up when he sees a player that will fit. Heck aftercwe win the SB I could care less if they trade all their picks to land a draft player they feel will fill a need. I trust this front office with their player evaluations. They don't hit on every pick but they have brought in a good number of players that fit right in our system -- both via draft as well as bringing in vets that didn't fit their other team. Edited September 10, 2021 by AuntieEm General corrections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I kind of liked the back up defensive line in preseason more anyways They got a lot of snaps without Star and looked OK. This whole fear of teams running all over them is a bit of an overreaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: With the Bills having a decent and I'd say fairly deep roster there's not alot of room for draftees to make the team that allows Beane to package picks for moving up when he sees a player that will fit. Heck aftercwe win the SB I could care less if they trade all their picks to land a draft player they feel will fill a need. I trust this front office with their player evaluations. They don't hit on every pick but they have brought in a good number of players that fit right in our system -- both via draft as well as bringing in vets that didn't fit their other team. That still doesn't mean reaching for players is a good idea This kid's going to be available after the first round So if we trade up and take him in the first round its technically not a good idea.. because you're going to be able to get him after I was talking to somebody who said they would give up the house for somebody like this... You won't have to give up the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Oh yea. They will be out in full force if Edmunds looks like same ole Edmunds…. And the same ole posters still want the same ole Edmunds to be some ole 2 down run stopper. You wish Reggie Ragland was still here, don't you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: so why wouldnt they have cut him this offseason instead? Large dead cap and cap savings was negligible otherwise he would 100% have been released or had a reduced salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Large dead cap and cap savings was negligible otherwise he would 100% have been released or had a reduced salary. yes I know. keep reading in the thread. I misunderstood what he was trying to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You don't need to sell the house for a 2 down player He's not going in the first round because he has little pass rush upside in the NFL Did you watch the Georgia/Clemson game on Saturday? That guy can really move, which shocked me. He had several QB pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 A calf could me he’s out a little longer. That muscle just sucks when you hurt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: You are TRULY a diehard!! 👍 A 'diehard'? I think not. * Juzz dink ov me azz da Mar-TEEN BOO-ron ov TSW. 'Da inzdagaydoor'. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Patience said: Did you watch the Georgia/Clemson game on Saturday? That guy can really move, which shocked me. He had several QB pressures. Pass rushing in college is alot different than pass rushing in the NFL He is definitely quick but his actual rush moves leaves alot to be desired and he's a 2 down player rn in the NFL He can refine alot of technique which is huge for a big man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: A calf could me he’s out a little longer. That muscle just sucks when you hurt it. Idk man, can't he just throw some duct tape on it and get his ass out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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