ProcessTruster Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Anyone concerned that John Brown's ability to keep safeties deep was lost when E Sanders replaced him? Anyone have their relative 40 times? I don't recall Sanders being a burner. Hope I am wrong.. Concerned we have a great, but less fast WR group, and secondaries will accordingly play tighter to the line of scrimmage. 2 2 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 No. Not concerned. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Is it that much difference in their speed to make much difference? Either way, I'm sure Sanders will draw his share of attention from opposing defenses regardless. imo I think Sanders is a slight improvement over Brown. Edited September 2, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I think Brown is about done. 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Ask Josh.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Sanders on this team is a # 5 WR 1 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Sanders ran a 4.41 way back in the day. He’s also a better route runner who has consistently out produced Brown over his career. Don’t lose any sleep over this. 4 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Their 40 times from how many years ago are likely irrelevant. But I watched Sanders' 2020 highlights and he regularly made catches in the intermediate and deep middle and that was with an old Brees and Hill at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: Sanders on this team is a # 5 WR Actually he's #2 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Anyone concerned that John Brown's ability to keep safeties deep was lost when E Sanders replaced him? Anyone have their relative 40 times? I don't recall Sanders being a burner. Hope I am wrong.. Concerned we have a great, but less fast WR group, and secondaries will accordingly play tighter to the line of scrimmage. Speed is overrated unless it’s Tyreek hill speed. Sanders route tree is much better and Sanders Diggs and even Davis have shown they can get over the top. I’m sure McKenzie can too. Edited September 2, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Actually he's #2 I think this year he, Beasley, and Davis are 2A, 2B, and 2C in no particular order. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Speed is overrated unless it’s Tyreek hill speed. Sanders route tree is much better and Sanders Diggs and even Davis have shown they can get over the top. I’m sure McKenzie can too. Exactly this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Exactly this. Yes: Ability to create separation > Speed 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I don't care as long as we move the ball down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) You obviously don’t trust the process Seriously though, I think we have enough speed to threaten deep. Diggs, Sanders and Davis can all get behind the D if they cheat up. They aren’t going to outright burn past them but savy route running and play calling will result in plenty of deep opportunities. Stevenson will give you that speed you are looking for once he’s healthy. I loved Brown for what he helped us achieve but he’s done and would be probably #5 WR on our current roster. Edited September 2, 2021 by RunTheBall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Sanders is a slot receiver, brown isnt. Davis is the #2. Both him and Diggs are good deep threats. We will miss brown on his curl routes though. he was awesome on those bc teams respected his deep threat so much 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 No, I’m not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 The offense was humming last year when Brown was out 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Did we trade for Ertz yet? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Who puts up better numbers this year, Sanders or Gabe Davis? That is the question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Anyone concerned that John Brown's ability to keep safeties deep was lost when E Sanders replaced him? Anyone have their relative 40 times? I don't recall Sanders being a burner. Hope I am wrong.. Concerned we have a great, but less fast WR group, and secondaries will accordingly play tighter to the line of scrimmage. How many games was Smoke on the sidelines?? Nope not worried with Diggs/Beaz/Sanders/Davis on the field. Nope not worried at all.... Go BILLS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 John Brown was great his first year here, but last season he was neither healthy nor effective. I'm hoping that eventually Marquez Stevenson can take on the role of deep threat in this offense. I think McKenzie's injury may give him an opportunity to show off his kick/punt return ability. He could be deadly on jet sweeps as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: Who puts up better numbers this year, Sanders or Gabe Davis? That is the question. Good question!!!!! Go BILLS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: Who puts up better numbers this year, Sanders or Gabe Davis? That is the question. both, off course.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: both, off course.... Trick question.... Beasley puts up the combination of their stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Trick question.... Beasley puts up the combination of their stats. That's what will not happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Anyone concerned that John Brown's ability to keep safeties deep was lost when E Sanders replaced him? Anyone have their relative 40 times? I don't recall Sanders being a burner. Hope I am wrong.. Concerned we have a great, but less fast WR group, and secondaries will accordingly play tighter to the line of scrimmage. Brown was never the same after the first few weeks of the season. I think his game has dropped a notch after his career best 2019. He’s still a good receiver but it seems that injuries have taken their toll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: That's what will not happen. Maybe not drops and fumbles but the rest of the stats yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Maybe not drops and fumbles but the rest of the stats yes... lol come on! Beasley didn't beat Davis+Brown last year. Davis is on the rise and Sanders is more of a weapon than Brown was. Those increased target for the 2 of them will come off Beasley's plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Sanders1 is why we only kept 2 TEs.... He'll find those pockets over the middle with his elite route running and hands... Not worried at all but I do miss smoke and wish him the best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Speed is overrated unless it’s Tyreek hill speed. Sanders route tree is much better and Sanders Diggs and even Davis have shown they can get over the top. I’m sure McKenzie can too. I agree to an extent. But I’d add there are different levels. At least more than Tyreek and everybody else. It seems like Brown doesn’t have a ton of juice left in the tank. We do have a bunch of guys in the mid to low 4.4 range. So I don’t think speed is an issue. If I had to guess, Stevenson will fit the JB mold as he progresses and/or gets healthy. Very similar size and speedy. McKenzie is a tough sub because he’s so short. Gabe Davis is a quality receiver, but too slow to put in the “take the top off the defense” bucket in the mid 4.5’s compared to JB’s mid 4.3’s at the combine. Bills are fine with speed, hands, and route running over all. I’d like to see them add a dynamic guy or two with some more size to play on the outside next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I think Brown’s issues were more mental than physical and he never recovered. I can’t find the article, but I remember him saying while he watched the offense explode without him last year, he didn’t know quite where he fit after returning and had to get his confidence back up. I raised an eyebrow at his statements because I never thought he would lack for confidence or feel marginalized. He just didn’t play the same as he had before the missed time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I think Sanders could be better, when everything breaks down and Allen needs somebody to get open on the scramble 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Sanders is a slot receiver, brown isnt. Davis is the #2. Both him and Diggs are good deep threats. We will miss brown on his curl routes though. he was awesome on those bc teams respected his deep threat so much Are you simply making stuff up? https://www.buffalobills.com/team/depth-chart WR#2, not slot https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/2020_roster.htm NO Saints 202 WR, not slot Sanders has the ability to play slot as well as outside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) As oft stated, the best ability is availability and JB didn’t have it last year. I truly think it’s as simple as that. It may be the same with Sanders due to his age but there is only way to fine out. I don’t believe there’s reason to think that heading in to the year. Edited September 3, 2021 by TroutDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: lol come on! Beasley didn't beat Davis+Brown last year. Davis is on the rise and Sanders is more of a weapon than Brown was. Those increased target for the 2 of them will come off Beasley's plate. Nah, he's going back for seconds and thirds even though it's a buffet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Nah, he's going back for seconds and thirds even though it's a buffet. Lil' Nilla Ice will be begging for scraps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Just get open and catch the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 It's a good question to ask. My thought is that Brown was injured so much last year that defenses were not overly concerned about his speed over the top. I don't think it will be an issue. The Bills offense is very unique because of Allen. Allen is elite with the intermediate depth throw. Those throws are dependent on an extra second of pass blocking which the O-line does very well and WR's that run great routes. That is what the WR group does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: Anyone concerned that John Brown's ability to keep safeties deep was lost when E Sanders replaced him? Anyone have their relative 40 times? I don't recall Sanders being a burner. Hope I am wrong.. Concerned we have a great, but less fast WR group, and secondaries will accordingly play tighter to the line of scrimmage. Sanders isn’t a burner anymore, but he still can separate very well and he should be productive here. It surprised me that the Bills did not make getting a deep threat a priority. But on the other hand losing Brown last season didn’t seem to hurt the passing game so maybe separation is what works with Allen and this offense. A deep threat is always helpful for an offense but maybe it’s not as important for this one. I dunno. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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