Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 8 hours ago, MJS said: How often does a 4th running back play on offense for other teams? It was more of a deal when Moss went down last year. Or in games where things were happening and we were really thin at RB depth. The guy was on the team and dresses already and there was never even a thought of using him at RB. We put way to much value on ST in a time where the Kick return is essentially extinct. Other guys can do what he does AND play an actual position as well. That’s my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It was more of a deal when Moss went down last year. Or in games where things were happening and we were really thin at RB depth. The guy was on the team and dresses already and there was never even a thought of using him at RB. We put way to much value on ST in a time where the Kick return is essentially extinct. Other guys can do what he does AND play an actual position as well. That’s my point. And I disagree. I don't think 4th string running backs play much, if at all, for any teams. If you have enough injuries that you have to play your 4th stringer, at any position, you are pretty much screwed anyway. At what point last year were the Bills needing to play Jones at RB and couldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: We put way to much value on ST in a time where the Kick return is essentially extinct. Other guys can do what he does AND play an actual position as well. That’s my point. Well, first off, "Gunner" is a Thing on Punt returns as well - and I hope we see the other team punting a lot, and kicking off Not So Much. As far as "extinct", is the kick return extinct? There are only 6 KR who averaged more than 25 yds per return, with Andre Roberts leading the pack at 30. I'm not sure whether that tells the story though. I think the question is, how many of those returns were short of the endzone? The Bass-Master led the league last year with 101 KO and had 70% TB. That says that 30% of the time, there was a kick return against the Bills. The league average - I looked it up - is was 61.2% TB, meaning almost 40% of the time, there was a return. I dunno about your standards for "essential extinction" or how that might differ from actual extinction, but when something happens 40% of the time, I wouldn't describe it as extinct. Sounds to me like something a good team had better be prepared to defend against properly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Putin said: I don’t think will be doing lot of punting this year , the plan is to avoid 3rd downs there for I don’t see any need wasting a roaster spot I'm not quite sure about a plan for opposing teams to not punt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, first off, "Gunner" is a Thing on Punt returns as well - and I hope we see the other team punting a lot, and kicking off Not So Much. As far as "extinct", is the kick return extinct? There are only 6 KR who averaged more than 25 yds per return, with Andre Roberts leading the pack at 30. I'm not sure whether that tells the story though. I think the question is, how many of those returns were short of the endzone? The Bass-Master led the league last year with 101 KO and had 70% TB. That says that 30% of the time, there was a kick return against the Bills. The league average - I looked it up - is was 61.2% TB, meaning almost 40% of the time, there was a return. I dunno about your standards for "essential extinction" or how that might differ from actual extinction, but when something happens 40% of the time, I wouldn't describe it as extinct. Sounds to me like something a good team had better be prepared to defend against properly. There just are very few kick returns period. That’s what I mean. Just a ton of touchbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Buffalophil1948 said: Beasley did some returns for Dallas Good Idea! No one will want to tackle his unvaccinated a$$! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Roscoe..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Didn’t he return kicks in Houston? No, his last kick returns were with us in 2018 where he had 5 for 89 yards. He does have 82 kick returns in his career though, averaging 23.1 yds. I don't get the he made it because of his Special Teams prowess argument though. Last year he had all of 4 tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 if you want the punt caught it’s either Beasley or Hyde! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I haven't gone through the whole thread, but is McKenzie expected to be out week 1? If not, that'd be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Usually the person that lost the coin toss. Occasionally, 'Rock-Paper-Scissors' is utilized. Edited September 6, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Greatdane21 said: if you want the punt caught it’s either Beasley or Hyde! Yeah for sure if you just want to fair catch it, Hyde's the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Our returner? Cornelius Bennett?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorgus Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Can it be this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 6:57 PM, frostbitmic said: Taiwan Jones ? ... Give him something to do. I don't know. I think he heeds to focus on his role as gunner. We don't want to put too much on his plate. On 9/1/2021 at 7:12 PM, msw2112 said: I agree with the others that McKenzie will be back and be our guy. I also agree that Hyde can step in and field punts in a pinch and there are likely other guys who have done it in HS or college (or the NFL, such as Taiwan Jones) that can step in. And of course Stevenson will be available beginning in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Given what Hap pointed out in McKenzie fumbling problems over the years, it makes me a little nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I have an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 7 hours ago, mannc said: I have an idea Doesn't count as against 'Cuse. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Let's resign Chris Watson, great punt catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 If they activate him for jet sweeps week to week in Breida, he would be great and experienced in KO returns. That speed and elusiveness along with doing it in SF, could give him more touches and save us there. As to punt returns Virg., you’re guess is as good as mine. Stevenson should be healthy, but will they activate him, or do they activate him and due to Breida in there, do they inactivate McKenzie some weeks. Interesting takes on Hyde, although with his age, I wouldn’t want him getting gassed as we need him at safety 100% of the time. Beasely was interesting, amd this out of the box speculation, but what about Wallace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, freddyjj said: Doesn't count as against 'Cuse. Nuff said. Ok, how about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 11:41 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There just are very few kick returns period. That’s what I mean. Just a ton of touchbacks Again...the average touchback % in the league last year was 61.2% That means 38.8% of kickoffs were returned last season So between 1 in 2 and 1 in 3 kickoffs were returned I don't know what "very few" is to me, but something that happens even 1 out of 3 times isn't "very rare" to me. It also varied quite a bit by team, so both the quality of the kicker and the quality of the coverage must have something to do with it - Tampa Bay had 88% touchbacks on their kickoffs, the Bills were pretty good with 70%. The Steelers had almost half their kickoffs returned last year. On 9/1/2021 at 9:34 PM, Solomon Grundy said: Didn’t he return kicks in Houston? No but he did in Oakland earlier in his career, and also during his first stint with the Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, mannc said: Ok, how about this one? That was pretty amazing..."he's going in the wrong direction....wait a minute....now he's going in the right direction...he's got blockers..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 8:47 PM, frostbitmic said: No, his last kick returns were with us in 2018 where he had 5 for 89 yards. He does have 82 kick returns in his career though, averaging 23.1 yds. I don't get the he made it because of his Special Teams prowess argument though. Last year he had all of 4 tackles. He had 6 actually. And he forced fair catches on top of that. When the coaches keep telling you someone is really good at something and people who have watched the tape say "yea he is really good at it" and the GM says he is "elite" at it then maybe just take it on trust that he is really darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, mannc said: Ok, how about this one? Lol. 😂. Jacksonville State might be one of only programs worst than 'Cuse. Next 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Lol. 😂. Jacksonville State might be one of only programs worst than 'Cuse. Next 😎 Ok, here’s one against an SEC school 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Who is our returner? If the Bills front office is smart, they would bring back Pat DiMarco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Who is our returner? If the Bills front office is smart, they would bring back Pat DiMarco. No, he would be our long ball threat. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Luv me sum lil dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: These early results validate McBeane's decision . Esp the fumbles part of the stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: These early results validate McBeane's decision . Esp the fumbles part of the stats Well, they are early, but so far so good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 If he can keep holding onto the ball, McKenzie is an excellent return man. And he actually brings something to the offense. No brainer to keep him and use him there. Roberts wasn’t versatile enough. McKenzie Is a 4 down player. Just have to keep it up with the ball security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: If he can keep holding onto the ball, McKenzie is an excellent return man. And he actually brings something to the offense. No brainer to keep him and use him there. Roberts wasn’t versatile enough. McKenzie Is a 4 down player. Just have to keep it up with the ball security. there was something about that Miami game that felt like a turning point to me. McKenzie looked so confident back there on judging the ball, making fair catch Versus return decisions, being sure handed, etc— plus it Was all in bad weather conditions. It just felt like he took a major step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Dont know if anyone was watching Roberts in his last two games.....but a muffed punt in both games Lil Dirty is doing just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Dont know if anyone was watching Roberts in his last two games.....but a muffed punt in both games Lil Dirty is doing just fine Yes, been very pleased with McKenzie so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Well, they are early, but so far so good My favorite thing is he seems to be making smart decisions and not being too aggressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 WFT was McKenzie doing on that disastrous KO? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: WFT was McKenzie doing on that disastrous KO? I think he lost the ball. and also maybe thought it was a punt lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: WFT was McKenzie doing on that disastrous KO? I don't remember which way the wind was blowing but the ball could have died in the wind and/or lost it in the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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