Bills trading Daryll Johnson to the Panthers for 6th rd pick

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Wonder if Beane figures he'll be getting a comp pick for Trubisky in his decision to keep Addison.  He gets a 6th for the last guy on DE depth chart (Bam Johnson) and may see a mid round pick for Mitch.  Doubt he would have done better than a 5th/6th for Addison giving age and salary.  Easier to keep Addison and pay him for final year knowing he could hep on pass rush part time and coach up the kids. 

 

Really look forward to a turbo or NASCAR rush package using Obada and Groot inside and Jerry and Mario outside.  Trade the train horn for revving engines sound on 3rd down pass rush plays. 

 

I think the Nascar package is more like AJ - Groot - Oliver - Jerry. The only ends that have really played inside much in pre-season have been Obada and Basham as 3rd down rushers, save for that one play vs Chicago where AJ stood up inside and Ed Oliver played right end. 

[BurpleBull]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I think he is overvalued inside the building but there you go. They are keeping him. Just not sure they should. 

 

I don't know what you'll attribute to him being tied with Klein in team sacks, but I'd like to hear it. 

 

He had a half sack more than what Hughes had and with fewer starts.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I don't know what you'll attribute to him being tied with Klein in team sacks, but I'd like to hear it. 

 

He had a half sack more than what Hughes had and with fewer starts.

 

I have spoken about this above, he does the last two years have a good record of turning a small number of pressures into a decent sack output. But he just isn't winning enough pass rush reps and isn't generating enough pressures. If you could give Jerry Mario's finishing skill when he gets there you'd have an elite rusher. It is the only thing that has kept Hughes out of that top bracket over his career here in Buffalo. He doesn't convert enough of his pass rush wins and pressures into sacks. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 hours ago, Locomark said:

It shows how good Beane is at praising to raise value. He and Farwell mentioned BAM multiple times for his need to be “gameplanned” against. Now I think it was all a set-up to get someone to take the bait. It’s not like the kid was Tasker part 2 or anything. 

I think you are on to something, Beane didnt go on and on about players during the last game for no reason, he had an agenda.

 

I always liked Bam and wish we had kept him, seems like a classic Bills pick of late, great physical attributes, very long arrms but very raw.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

17 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

You keep saying this nonsense, implying Taiwan doesn’t do anything to earn his roster spot year after year. It doesn’t sound any smarter the second time you say it.

Taiwan Jones is like the old Drought Bills kind of player. 

 

The Brad Smith and Joe Webb type of players, older 30+ year old that can't help the Bills in any other way than running down the field and tackling people on Special Teams.  

 

Given the cheap salary, team control for 2 more years, his youth and ability to stick on the roster, giving Jones a spot is a waste. 

 

Just like we were told how much Lee Smith meant to the team for years because of his elite blocking. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Taiwan Jones is like the old Drought Bills kind of player. 

 

The Brad Smith and Joe Webb type of players, older 30+ year old that can't help the Bills in any other way than running down the field and tackling people on Special Teams.  

 

Given the cheap salary, team control for 2 more years, his youth and ability to stick on the roster, giving Jones a spot is a waste. 

 

Just like we were told how much Lee Smith meant to the team for years because of his elite blocking. 

 

Doesn't sound any smarter the third time you say it either.

[billsfan89]

15 hours ago, Putin said:

Again the trade Addison talk  
What happens if Jerry gets hurt who else do we have at the position with any experience ? 

What good is experience if you aren’t performing well? But I do agree Addison is likely to stay. I think it is clear that they like the versatility and depth he provides. I see him doing a lot of the stuff Lorax used to do now that hopefully they need him less off the edge.

[JoPoy88]

8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Taiwan Jones is like the old Drought Bills kind of player. 

 

The Brad Smith and Joe Webb type of players, older 30+ year old that can't help the Bills in any other way than running down the field and tackling people on Special Teams.  

 

Given the cheap salary, team control for 2 more years, his youth and ability to stick on the roster, giving Jones a spot is a waste. 

 

Just like we were told how much Lee Smith meant to the team for years because of his elite blocking. 

Sure it’s a “waste.” If only Beane and McDermott knew what you know 😂😂. Uh oh, looks like Jones was just handed another roster spot. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/30/2021 at 2:34 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree with what you say in theory and application. That said, they keep Matekevitch strictly for ST. Neal is a star on ST. A couple other Bills are very good. They use starters Poyer and Hyde and others too. Good to great ST guys are important as you say, but there is an overdoing it point too. Especially when these great guys make seven tackles a year and we now have two kickers that lessen ST needs. 

 

At this point, I don't think they keep Matakevich strictly for ST.  He has laid down some good tape at LB late last season and this preseason.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

At this point, I don't think they keep Matakevich strictly for ST.  He has laid down some good tape at LB late last season and this preseason.

 

I said it in the other thread - but beyond the 3 specialists the only guy who I think would not have made the team except for his ST play is Jones. The Bills have done a good job of building functional depth that also values teams. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/30/2021 at 12:42 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Teller was a better prospect........some considered him as a guy who should have gone in the early rounds of the draft.........but it appears that they traded the young, high ceiling player to retain a vet who is on his last legs.........which is what Spencer Long was as well when they dealt Teller.

 

I will be surprised if not cutting bait on Addison last winter ends up looking like a good move in the long run.

 

Maybe he bounces back this year though.   I liked the signing initially because he was a consistent producer and the contract was easy to get out of.   @GunnerBill did not like the signing and he looked correct on that one last season.  

 

One of the few, lasting bad memories of last season was watching old Mario flail around chasing Kyler Murray allowing him to get off the Hail Murray throw.

 

They got smaller and less athletic at the position today.

 

As others have said, the choice (in the Bills viewpoint) was not likely to be Addison vs Johnson.  The Bills like their veterans in each room, especially with a lot of young 'uns to mentor up.

 

The choice the Bills were looking at was probably Obada vs. Johnson.

 

Obada is 29, so the "older" part is right on in age - he only has 1 more year on an NFL roster, he's "young in football"

Obada is 6'6" 265 so the "smaller" part doesn't hold up, and from what I've seen Obada seems plenty athletic.

 

As far as Teller: your narrative always leaves out the part that in 2019, the Bills were (rightly) determined to upgrade at C from Russell Bodine.  Morse had a preseason concussion; Feliciano believed he could play C but his only starts were at LG.  Spencer Long had 33 starts in 3 seasons of capable NFL center play. 

 

Yes, Teller was a younger player with far more upside at guard, but at the time (not in hindsight) the Bills made a choice between team composition/positional ability and a superior physical talent with higher long term potential. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Johnson develops, but in this instance I think all signs point to the Bills looking at a group of 5 talented young athletic players (Epenesa, Obada, Rousseau, Basham, Johnson) and saying "we can keep 4 of them, which 4?"

[BurpleBull]

On 8/31/2021 at 10:27 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I have spoken about this above, he does the last two years have a good record of turning a small number of pressures into a decent sack output. But he just isn't winning enough pass rush reps and isn't generating enough pressures. If you could give Jerry Mario's finishing skill when he gets there you'd have an elite rusher. It is the only thing that has kept Hughes out of that top bracket over his career here in Buffalo. He doesn't convert enough of his pass rush wins and pressures into sacks. 

 

Revisited.

 

Addison had more tackles, tackles for losses, as many QB hits, and more than three times as many sacks as Jerry Hughes. Led the team in sacks.

 

I'll say it again, the man's undervalued in Buffalo --- by a lot of fans at least.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Revisited.

 

Addison had more tackles, tackles for losses, as many QB hits, and more than three times as many sacks as Jerry Hughes. Led the team in sacks.

 

I'll say it again, the man's undervalued in Buffalo --- by a lot of fans at least.

 

I will give you this - Mario has had a good year. But it only proves how the inflated sack number in 2020 hid what was really a disappointingly ineffectual year. In 2021 Mario has played 16% fewer of the Bills' defensive snaps than in 2020. Yes his sacks are up and critically his pressures are MORE THAN DOUBLED. Mario was bad in 2020. The advanced numbers were atrocious but like his last year in Carolina he had a sack number that hid his significant under performance. 

 

In a backup role in 2021 he had something of a bounce back. The most pressures he has mustered in a season since 2017 when he was still a guy in that next group just short of the true elite rushers. 

 

I have not complained all season about Mario Addison. I did last season. Cos last season he sucked.

Edited January 12, 2022 by GunnerBill

[maryland-bills-fan]

I believe we can trade Mario and save about $8 million in 2022, He will be an UFA in 2023. ( https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/) 

 

Jerry Hughs is an UFA next year and will free up $7 million from the salary cap.

 

This would clear up enough money to get one of the top FA guards.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/

 

or Two.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/a

 

 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I believe we can trade Mario and save about $8 million in 2022, He will be an UFA in 2023. ( https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/) 

 

Jerry Hughs is an UFA next year and will free up $7 million from the salary cap.

 

This would clear up enough money to get one of the top FA guards.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/

 

or Two.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/a

 

 

 

Marios deal is pretty much up. It's really a two year deal with a third to spread cap hit out. 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Marios deal is pretty much up. It's really a two year deal with a third to spread cap hit out. 

 

Yep. If they want to keep Mario it will be another pay cut or at least a restructure. 

 

EDIT: and if Mario wants to play another year for a cheaper deal as the vet in the room with three young guns then I could maybe see McDermott and Beane being interested in that. If he had another year like this year.... with about 45% of the snaps but good production that would be worth it. 

Edited January 12, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Paul Costa]

Maybe add Shaq Lawson at a reasonable deal to replace either Jerry or Addison.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I believe we can trade Mario and save about $8 million in 2022, He will be an UFA in 2023. ( https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/) 

 

Jerry Hughs is an UFA next year and will free up $7 million from the salary cap.

 

This would clear up enough money to get one of the top FA guards.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/

 

or Two.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/a

 

 

 

I can’t see us getting rid of Jerry and Mario.  McD wants a vet in the room.  Maybe they’ll sign someone else, but I think mcD like his leaders and they don’t just look at the sack colum like some do.  

56 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

Maybe add Shaq Lawson at a reasonable deal to replace either Jerry or Addison.

 

56 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

Maybe add Shaq Lawson at a reasonable deal to replace either Jerry or Addison.

No thanks

[klos63]

3 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I believe we can trade Mario and save about $8 million in 2022, He will be an UFA in 2023. ( https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/) 

 

Jerry Hughs is an UFA next year and will free up $7 million from the salary cap.

 

This would clear up enough money to get one of the top FA guards.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/

 

or Two.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/a

 

 

 

Addison is $2 million cap hit next year, $2 million dead cap if we cut him.  No money saved by cutting him.  I'm not certain he is technically under contract next season. No base salary, just signing bonus.

Edited January 12, 2022 by klos63

[T master]

We won't know how good this move was until Beane makes that pick and we see what he gets for it .

 

If he hits on it then it will be worth it i for one always thought Bam was a good player with a lot of upside for the team & i would have definitely liked to see him kept over Addison or some others but sometimes you can't keep them all & a sacrifice had to be made in order to move forward & i trust Beane ...

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

4 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I believe we can trade Mario and save about $8 million in 2022, He will be an UFA in 2023. ( https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/) 

 

Jerry Hughs is an UFA next year and will free up $7 million from the salary cap.

 

This would clear up enough money to get one of the top FA guards.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/

 

or Two.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/a

 

 

 

You're looking at this all wrong. Bills are close to the cap and need to release vets to get some space to sign some middling FA's. The fact that Hughes is NOT included in their current cap number means if they want to retain him, they need to eat into the cap even more. His salary coming off the books is already accounted for. 

[Doc]

Addison's contract voids 23 days before the 2022 league year.  They'll have to do a new deal with him if they want to keep him.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Addison is $2 million cap hit next year, $2 million dead cap if we cut him.  No money saved by cutting him.  I'm not certain he is technically under contract next season. No base salary, just signing bonus.

 

He's not. It's a dummy year. 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, T master said:

We won't know how good this move was until Beane makes that pick and we see what he gets for it .

 

If he hits on it then it will be worth it i for one always thought Bam was a good player with a lot of upside for the team & i would have definitely liked to see him kept over Addison or some others but sometimes you can't keep them all & a sacrifice had to be made in order to move forward & i trust Beane ...

Beane got a 6th for a guy who was not making the team.  He rarely dressed for Carolina.  It was a steal.  Something instead of nothing.  Like bodine for a 6th to New England.

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Addison is $2 million cap hit next year, $2 million dead cap if we cut him.  No money saved by cutting him.  I'm not certain he is technically under contract next season. No base salary, just signing bonus.

The Bills restructured him in the offseason voiding the final year of his deal and leaving a $2MM cap charge for 2022, while saving money in 2021.

 

He's gone after this year and will not be missed. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/24/22347967/buffalo-bills-voided-final-year-of-mario-addisons-deal-as-part-of-restructure-buffalo-bills

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Beane got a 6th for a guy who was not making the team.  He rarely dressed for Carolina.  It was a steal.  Something instead of nothing.  Like bodine for a 6th to New England.

...and the 5th rounder for Teller after drafting him in the 5th the year prior... 

Edited January 12, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

The Bills restructured him in the offseason voiding the final year of his deal and leaving a $2MM cap charge for 2022, while saving money in 2021.

 

He's gone after this year and will not be missed. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/24/22347967/buffalo-bills-voided-final-year-of-mario-addisons-deal-as-part-of-restructure-buffalo-bills

why do you say he won’t be missed? 
 

Addison had a sneakily good season this year— 7 sacks.  This, even though, we have a pretty deep rotation.

 

i think the Bills got exactly what they wanted out of Addison production wise. 

[ArtVandalay]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

why do you say he won’t be missed? 
 

Addison had a sneakily good season this year— 7 sacks.  This, even though, we have a pretty deep rotation.

 

i think the Bills got exactly what they wanted out of Addison production wise. 

He's invisible on the field, awful, little pressure, and also grades out poorly on PFF so my eyes don't lie. 

 

With the draft picks we have invested those kids will make you forget him in a hurry. 

 

He's a vastly overpaid rotational player hence why they essentially terminated his contract this offseason after signing him just the year prior. 

[Mat68]

23 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

why do you say he won’t be missed? 
 

Addison had a sneakily good season this year— 7 sacks.  This, even though, we have a pretty deep rotation.

 

i think the Bills got exactly what they wanted out of Addison production wise. 

Production and mentoring.  They got what they were looking for this year.  Last year they probably were looking for more.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

why do you say he won’t be missed? 
 

Addison had a sneakily good season this year— 7 sacks.  This, even though, we have a pretty deep rotation.

 

i think the Bills got exactly what they wanted out of Addison production wise. 

 

Addison had a much better year than anyone expected, especially for a guy that many wanted cut or traded this summer.

 

And if it comes down to bringing one back between Hughes/Addision next year I think the choice is obvious.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

He's invisible on the field, awful, little pressure, and also grades out poorly on PFF so my eyes don't lie. 

 

With the draft picks we have invested those kids will make you forget him in a hurry. 

 

He's a vastly overpaid rotational player hence why they essentially terminated his contract this offseason after signing him just the year prior. 

Some people need to open their eyes when they’re watching the games Seven sacks in a rotation like ours come on man

[Buffaloflash]

On 8/30/2021 at 12:32 PM, Process said:

 

Interesting. Johnson has looked good, would much rather have traded or cut Addison, who at this point brings very little to the table. 

 

 

 

Talking about a statement not aging well!

[frostbitmic]

Johnson is a Panther now, which means he'll be back, possibly before we use that 6th round draft pick we got for him.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

He's invisible on the field, awful, little pressure, and also grades out poorly on PFF so my eyes don't lie. 

 

With the draft picks we have invested those kids will make you forget him in a hurry. 

 

He's a vastly overpaid rotational player hence why they essentially terminated his contract this offseason after signing him just the year prior. 

You are beyond ridiculous with this.

[ArtVandalay]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You are beyond ridiculous with this.

I'm not, it is just that many fans like yourself refuse to be objective and critical of players when deserved. 

 

Pro Football Focus grading agrees with me.

 

Brandon Beane agrees with me as well which is why he went ahead and restructured his deal to void the final (3rd) year of his deal before the season. 

 

So it's not ridiculous the least bit.

[Victory Formation]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

I can’t see us getting rid of Jerry and Mario.  McD wants a vet in the room.  Maybe they’ll sign someone else, but I think mcD like his leaders and they don’t just look at the sack colum like some do.  

I would keep Mario as a rotational guy, but I’ve seen enough of Rousseau to know that he’s a good player and my boy Boogie did well given the limited snap count.
 

I think you’ll see Rousseau at LDE and Boogie at RDE next year with Epenesa, Obada and Addison as rotational pieces. I think Buffalo has a very bright future at EDGE for the most part. NT? Not so much.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

I'm not, it is just that many fans like yourself refuse to be objective and critical of players when deserved. 

 

Pro Football Focus grading agrees with me.

 

Brandon Beane agrees with me as well which is why he went ahead and restructured his deal to void the final (3rd) year of his deal before the season. 

 

So it's not ridiculous the least bit.

 

PFF doesn't know the responsibilities.  And last year Addison wasn't great, hence the restructure.

[Victory Formation]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

PFF doesn't know the responsibilities.  And last year Addison wasn't great, hence the restructure.

I like PFF. They’re not the end all be all, but it’s a nice metric for random positions, mainly OL and the lunch pal positions. Most folks can see for themselves for the most part in terms of judging other positions though, mainly QB, WR, TE, DL, LB and S etc. Judging center and guard can be less obvious though for the most part unless you’re a fan of that team.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

I'm not, it is just that many fans like yourself refuse to be objective and critical of players when deserved. 

 

Pro Football Focus grading agrees with me.

 

Brandon Beane agrees with me as well which is why he went ahead and restructured his deal to void the final (3rd) year of his deal before the season. 

 

So it's not ridiculous the least bit.

 

OMG dude.

 

I have never said he was great.

 

You're using Pro Football Focus as evidence lol?

 

Brandon Beane agrees with you?  If he agreed with you, then he would have cut him straight up and not just done a restructure lol.

Does Sean McDermott agree with you?  He plays 46% of the snaps at DE.  Why would McDermott play a guy that much who is invisible and worthless?  Why did he never healthy scratch him?  

 

Yes, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here.

[Patrick Duffy]

I don't know why this August, preseason trade of Johnson for a 6th was bumped out of nowhere and I refuse to go and look. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

19 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

You're looking at this all wrong. Bills are close to the cap and need to release vets to get some space to sign some middling FA's. The fact that Hughes is NOT included in their current cap number means if they want to retain him, they need to eat into the cap even more. His salary coming off the books is already accounted for. 

I understand. The comparison should be that we would have $7mill LESS cap space if we kept him.  Maybe his leaving might help with comp picks?