Big Turk Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Just read that in 2010 NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf refused to stand for the National Anthem for much the same reasons as Kaepernick. He ended up reaching an agreement with the NBA that he would stand and look down, with his hands over his face at times, praying. Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. Edited August 27, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Carlos Delgado for the Blue Jays did it even earlier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 there was a ton of backlash in 2010 over this. Road Rage Radio was nonstop for weeks about it. we weren't yet in the twitterverse for instant outrage generation though, and the MSM was at least ostensibly focused still on hard news. you might say it was a different age 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Another NFL player (or three) did it before him as well. I can't remember who but Kaep was the most high-profile one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. Maybe because he wasn't as known or popular like Kaep was? I mean personally I don't recognize that NBA players name myself. Anyway that's my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Well- being "FIRST" to comment on a Youtube video is likely a greater badge of honor, so who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Perhaps because nobody watches professional basketball anymore. Edited August 27, 2021 by Haslett_Stomp 3 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: Perhaps because nobody watches professional basketball anymore. I guess those players making $50 million a year are doing it because the salary cap is so low due to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Didn’t kaepernick also start kneeling well before it became a big issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Crayola64 said: Didn’t kaepernick also start kneeling well before it became A big issue? He started kneeling when he got benched for Blaine Gabbert 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Didn’t kaepernick also start kneeling well before it became a big issue? a cynical person might think that was done to set up post-NFL career, which was stunningly successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 He was SEC player of the year (as Chris Jackson) in 88-89 and 89-90 and then went pro opening the door for his lesser teammate (a guy named Shaquille O'Neal) to win the award the next two years. He was the third pick in the draft and was 2nd team NBA All Rookie, but never quite lived up to the promise as a pro...was not great, but was very good. Although not official, it was pretty clear he was blackballed after the sitting for the anthem incident. So, yeah, a big deal was made of it and there are a lot of parallels to Kaepernick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: He was SEC player of the year (as Chris Jackson) in 88-89 and 89-90 and then went pro opening the door for his lesser teammate (a guy named Shaquille O'Neal) to win the award the next two years. He was the third pick in the draft and was 2nd team NBA All Rookie, but never quite lived up to the promise as a pro...was not great, but was very good. Although not official, it was pretty clear he was blackballed after the sitting for the anthem incident. So, yeah, a big deal was made of it and there are a lot of parallels to Kaepernick. I remember using him to shoot 3s and run around the court because he was so fast in EA sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: Carlos Delgado for the Blue Jays did it even earlier. For the US or Canadian national anthem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, uticaclub said: He started kneeling when he got benched for Blaine Gabbert Yes. That's the real reason. Well, that and him just not knowing his place. He is so selfish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Also a fun fact, it was a veteran of the US Army Special Forces that advised Kapernick to kneel, since it would be seen as more respectful than just sitting on the bench. Turns out that was not the case... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-knee/u-s-army-veteran-stunned-by-negative-reaction-to-kaepernick-kneeling-idUSKBN23G2E2 Edited August 27, 2021 by Heitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Heitz said: Also a fun fact, it was a veteran of the US Army Special Forces that advised Kapernick to kneel, since it would be seen as more respectful than just sitting on the bench. Turns out that was not the case... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-knee/u-s-army-veteran-stunned-by-negative-reaction-to-kaepernick-kneeling-idUSKBN23G2E2 I remember him well - Nate Boyer was an UDFA special teamer for the Seahawks and he recommended the kneel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 For all that is right Peter said it best.. I have enough social issues to try and ignore with The Pandemic and BLM (not that they aren’t important as they are) to resuscitate another one from 5 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Didn’t kaepernick also start kneeling well before it became a big issue? He didn't kneel at first. He just sat on the bench. He received criticism for that, and decided to kneel instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: For the US or Canadian national anthem? US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Until Valhalla Marines, Sailor, and soldier. Edited August 27, 2021 by KellyToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1968 is where it all began. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I recall him doing this in the 90's when he played with denver he retired in 2001 so im unsure how he did this 2010, unless he coached, which wouldnt bring out much hoopla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, dorquemada said: there was a ton of backlash in 2010 over this. Road Rage Radio was nonstop for weeks about it. we weren't yet in the twitterverse for instant outrage generation though, and the MSM was at least ostensibly focused still on hard news. you might say it was a different age The media was focused on BS back in 2010 as they are now. The advent of 24 hour news is what created a hyper focus on issues that don’t matter (with few exceptions there isn’t 24 hours worth of news in a day) I digress that even in 1996 the news cycle made the NBA player refusing to stand for the anthem a big story. 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Just read that in 2010 NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf refused to stand for the National Anthem for much the same reasons as Kaepernick. He ended up reaching an agreement with the NBA that he would stand and look down, with his hands over his face at times, praying. Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. FYI that Abdul-Rauf story happened in 1996 not 2010 and it was a fairly big deal at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said: 1968 is where it all began. I was a kid back then, but I’ve never had any problem with them. Big difference between 1968 and the 21st century. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Rico said: I was a kid back then, but I’ve never had any problem with them. Big difference between 1968 and the 21st century. 3 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said: 1968 is where it all began. 1936 Difference between representing American ideals, vs disrespecting American ideals. THe whole country was proud of those athletes embarrassing Hitler Edited August 27, 2021 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, unbillievable said: 1936 Difference between representing American ideals, vs disrespecting American ideals. THe whole country was proud of those athletes embarrassing Hitler Kindly explain the difference to me like I'm five. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Kindly explain the difference to me like I'm five. Athletes protesting isn't new. It's what they are protesting that has changed. 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Big Turk said: Just read that in 2010 NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf refused to stand for the National Anthem for much the same reasons as Kaepernick. He ended up reaching an agreement with the NBA that he would stand and look down, with his hands over his face at times, praying. Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. NPR has a podcast called "Throughline" that talks about this. The episode is "On the Shoulders of Giants." It talks about 3 athletes who were essentially precursors to Kaep. The first was the boxer Jack Johnson in the early 1900s. The 2nd was a black femail sprinter in the 1960s. And the 3rd was Abdul-Rauf in the 90s. It's an interesting listen if you have time. I really enjoy listening to that particular podcast as a whole just because of the way it presents interesting parts of history through stories. But no... Kaep wasn't the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Athletes protesting isn't new. It's what they are protesting that has changed. 2012 That's not a protest. That is a LAMP (look at me "pray"). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Rico said: I was a kid back then, but I’ve never had any problem with them. Big difference between 1968 and the 21st century. I didn't have a problem with them at all. Protests that lead to public discourse are a great route to change, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Kaep was replaced by Blaine Gabbertof all people. Keep was washed up then. If he was any good, Belicheck would have signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Big Turk said: Just read that in 2010 NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf refused to stand for the National Anthem for much the same reasons as Kaepernick. He ended up reaching an agreement with the NBA that he would stand and look down, with his hands over his face at times, praying. Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. Are you some young whipper snapper? 😀 This was Pretty big news back in the day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Big Turk said: Just read that in 2010 NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf refused to stand for the National Anthem for much the same reasons as Kaepernick. He ended up reaching an agreement with the NBA that he would stand and look down, with his hands over his face at times, praying. Not sure why he didn't get the backlash Kaep did when he started doing it 6 years later. You want to know why? Who's Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf? 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: That's not a protest. That is a LAMP (look at me "pray"). You do know that he was not the only player to do this. In fact many players do this today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 OP: I love your posts brother, and I'm not looking for a back-forth argument. Honestly, I respect what you have to say. I'll just note this: many of us in this forum have been down-range (me, 16 tours in 20+ yrs, incl IZ and AFG...and btw I don't want or need any recognition for same). Ultimately, our purpose was to protect the continuation of fundamental rights, such as freedom of expression, precisely as it relates to this thread. My point: choosing today to bring this subject up--after the sacrifice of so many just 24+ hours ago--is, well, a little disjointed, timing wise. I'll just say carry on, you have the uncontested right. But please keep in your hearts and minds our brothers and sisters--in harm's way, lives on the line at this very moment--who are literally the last chance of freedom for many souls. Respectfully, DSK 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Abdul Raouf was a big deal in the 90's when he did it but the king of the NBA was Jordan and the powers that be then decided to make a rule that the players agreed to that all players must stand for the anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Gugny said: Yes. That's the real reason. Well, that and him just not knowing his place. He is so selfish! Real reason or not, that's the time line. This basketball player I'm not familiar didnt use a press conference after a Heat game to discuss the good things Fidel Castro had done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Kapernick wasn't even the only guy on his team to kneel. It partially blew up because he sat on the bench during the anthem which was felt to be very disrespectful and not a protest. Then he reached out to some military vets who advised him kneeling in protest was more respectful than sitting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Then he reached out to some military vets who advised him kneeling in protest was more respectful than sitting on the bench With due respect, I'm not sure this is precisely correct. A vet perhaps, singular. Otherwise, there is not a single service member who is not aware of the Battle Cross ceremony, or some variation thereof. It's an (awful) element for any boot on-the-ground. Basically, everyone knows this. I do not mention this with any vitriol... but please look it up so you may have a better understanding. That is the only time to kneel and grieve. It happens in the field of battle...a 160+ yrs tradition. Otherwise you stand for every KIA-related ceremony, the flag always featured. This is why you hear "we only kneel for the combat dead; we stand for the flag". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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