Beast Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2021/08/05/the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-2021-average-team-value-soars-to-35-billion-as-league-shrugs-off-pandemic-year/amp/ #32 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Still a hefty increase from the $1.4B the Pegulas paid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, Beast said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2021/08/05/the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-2021-average-team-value-soars-to-35-billion-as-league-shrugs-off-pandemic-year/amp/ #32 I imagine we would vault near the top once they build that new stadium in Austin TX? 🤔 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 The Bills rank dead last. This only further substantiates the idea that the Pegula’s will probably have to receive fairly substantial public funding for a new stadium. The franchise (as a business) simply can’t generate enough operating income to suggest that a Billion dollar plus stadium needs to be paid for through the team’s profitability. The harsh reality is that Buffalo has an NFL team thanks to a bit of a fluke of history. 5 1 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Makes the Austin threat much more legit. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 the bills aren't going to austin. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 The bottom of the list are all teams that have never won a Super Bowl or not in a long time. Win a SB Buffalo and watch that valuation grow! Look what it did for Tampa Bay, according to the article. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 47 minutes ago, Beast said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2021/08/05/the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-2021-average-team-value-soars-to-35-billion-as-league-shrugs-off-pandemic-year/amp/ #32 Wow that is harsh from a business economic sense. I wonder how many college programs if valued in a similar way would be higher then the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, teef said: the bills aren't going to austin. I dont think so either but dont think they arent going to leverage this, I certainly would if I were them. Austin is UT country for NFL it is 70% Cowboy with a sprinkiling of Texan fans, Jerry Jones doesnt want a team so close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 #32 in metro population if you include Milwaukee with GB, and one of the oldest stadiums in the league. It is what it is. They're not going anywhere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I dont think so either but dont think they arent going to leverage this, I certainly would if I were them. Austin is UT country for NFL it is 70% Cowboy with a sprinkiling of Texan fans, Jerry Jones doesnt want a team so close. agreed. the only problem with leveraging this is a negative reaction from some fans...but i suppose all of that will quickly resolve once the new construction moves forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Still a hefty increase from the $1.4B the Pegulas paid. If they invested in an S&P fund instead, they'd have over $3 billion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: I imagine we would vault near the top once they build that new stadium in Austin TX? 🤔 Doesn't it make sense just to sublet from Dallas. Just schedule for Dallas 'away' weeks?🤔😁 * EDIT: If the Bills were the Chargers, they probably wouldn't even have to sublet! Just sneak in, play, clean up, skulk out. Nobody watches the Chargers! 😁 Edited August 5, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tortured Soul said: If they invested in an S&P fund instead, they'd have over $3 billion now. True. But we don’t know what they’ve made in profit from the Bills though (dividends are included in S&P returns). Those profits could’ve been reinvested in the S&P or something else. Plus owning the Bills likely had a positive impact on some of their other investments. And soon the team’s value will be further increased by the new (probably heavily subsidized) stadium. The ultimate answer of which would've been the better investment is very complicated and ever changing, but your point that it isn’t out of line with other investments is a good one. My main point was that even the lowest valued team in the league is doing pretty darn well, so buying an NFL team has been a very safe and very profitable investment. I think that’s hard to argue against. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, Tortured Soul said: If they invested in an S&P fund instead, they'd have over $3 billion now. True, but when's the last time the missus got to dress up an S&P fund in those red pajama uniforms? You just can't put a price on some things. 😁 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: True. But we don’t know what they’ve made in profit from the Bills though (dividends are included in S&P returns). Those profits could’ve been reinvested in the S&P or something else. Plus owning the Bills likely had a positive impact on some of their other investments. And soon the team’s value will be further increased by the new (probably heavily subsidized) stadium. Yeah, it wasn't meant as a serious point, just some context. I actually left out dividends - if they reinvested dividends, they'd have $3.4 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, teef said: the bills aren't going to austin. …if for not other reason, Jerry Jones doesn’t want a 3rd NFL team in Texas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 See, the lowest valued franchise in the NFL. This is why Terry wants you to foot the bill on his new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Does team value include the stadium, the Erie County owns the stadium not the bills, I'm assuming the the cowboys, Rams, etc own there own stadiums so if you purchase them you would be buying the stadium as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) The bills have more operating income than Cincinnati, Tennessee, Cleveland , and Arizona , and giants and bears and jets And these are estimates. You're worth what somebody's willing to pay... The bills were valued at a lot less than what Terry pagula paid for us Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Makes the Austin threat much more legit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I wonder how many college programs if valued in a similar way would be higher then the Bills... Seriousely Clark? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loedward22 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: The bills have more operating income than Cincinnati, Tennessee, Cleveland , and Arizona , and giants and bears and jets And these are estimates. You're worth what somebody's willing to pay... The bills were valued at a lot less than what Terry pagula paid for us They have the Bills at NEGATIVE 17.6 million… which is better than Detroit, LA Chargers, Baltimore , Green Bay, Seattle, Houston, Philadelphia, San Fran Edited August 5, 2021 by loedward22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: The bills have more operating income than Cincinnati, Tennessee, Cleveland , and Arizona , and giants and bears and jets That means they're badder than Shaft, Superfly, James Bond and Kung Fu all put together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: The harsh reality is that Buffalo has an NFL team thanks to a bit of a fluke of history. It is also reality that the Bills should have been an NFL city many years earlier had it not been for George Preston Marshall, so it wasn't just a one time fluke. The problem became the shrinking population of the Buffalo area and how its importance was lessened by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, CuseBill said: The bottom of the list are all teams that have never won a Super Bowl or not in a long time. Win a SB Buffalo and watch that valuation grow! Look what it did for Tampa Bay, according to the article. As Russ Brandon once said......."the brand is tarnished". One season as a SB contender isn't going to change that. Winning a SB would help a lot. Josh Allen having a long and illustrious career in Buffalo could help immensely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Unfortunately, Buffalo does not have the proper economic infrastucture that justifies a billion dollar football stadium, no matter who pays for it. That being said, should the area go forward with the construction, it's finance should be considered a pure unjustifiable Lark. As a "BUFFALO" Bills fan, I sure hope it's built, and the Bills remain in Buffalo forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Tortured Soul said: If they invested in an S&P fund instead, they'd have over $3 billion now. if Bills hit open market right now they are going for 4 billion. If new owners see path to move possibly more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, gjv said: Unfortunately, Buffalo does not have the proper economic infrastucture that justifies a billion dollar football stadium, no matter who pays for it. That being said, should the area go forward with the construction, it's finance should be considered a pure unjustifiable Lark. As a "BUFFALO" Bills fan, I sure hope it's built, and the Bills remain in Buffalo forever. The state and county will pay for at least half .. not the city of buffalo NYS Taxpayers funded half of Yankee stadium and the Mets stadium And The Buffalo Bills are the only football team in New York state.. New York state is going to pony a good amount when all is said and done Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, cba fan said: if Bills hit open market right now they are going for 4 billion. If new owners see path to move possibly more. Yup. Forbes is just an estimate but really has no bearing on anything in reality. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 hours ago, CuseBill said: The bottom of the list are all teams that have never won a Super Bowl or not in a long time. Win a SB Buffalo and watch that valuation grow! Look what it did for Tampa Bay, according to the article. how about new england? worst team in all pro sports for a LONG time... kraft bought them for IIRC 132 million dollars in 92 or 93. Winning fixes EVERYTHING. Even if it means MASSIVE amounts of band wagon fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Still a hefty increase from the $1.4B the Pegulas paid. A billion here, a billion there….pretty soon it starts to add up to real money! I’m guesssing Terry won’t have to drill another well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I dont think so either but dont think they arent going to leverage this, I certainly would if I were them. Austin is UT country for NFL it is 70% Cowboy with a sprinkiling of Texan fans, Jerry Jones doesnt want a team so close. 70 percent? Try like closer to 95 that is wall to wall blue, silver, and white down there…a new team has zero chance of building a fan base there heck Houston is 70 percent Cowboys fans and they have the Texans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 It's a little out of my price range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: It's a little out of my price range Halfsies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: It's a little out of my price range Pshaw. I don't even consider a team unless it's worth $3B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, teef said: the bills aren't going to austin anywhere. Fixed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Process said: #32 in metro population if you include Milwaukee with GB, and one of the oldest stadiums in the league. It is what it is. They're not going anywhere If you're gonna play those games them you should include Rochester with Buffalo right? Rochester is closer to Buffalo than Milwaukee is to Green Bay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Bferra13 said: If you're gonna play those games them you should include Rochester with Buffalo right? Rochester is closer to Buffalo than Milwaukee is to Green Bay. Ok lol so we are #31, my bad. The point still stands. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Bferra13 said: If you're gonna play those games them you should include Rochester with Buffalo right? Rochester is closer to Buffalo than Milwaukee is to Green Bay. Western New York.. the counties that encompass it Have more population than Pittsburgh metropolitan 2.7 million to 2.4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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