CorkScrewHill Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/dion-dawkins-ike-boettger-placed-on-covid-19-list/ - Both were vaccinated .. so please no covid vaccine talk. They will be able to return to practice after two negative tests. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/jerry-hughes-headed-to-nfi-list-with-calf-strain/ Hopefully everyone back soon ... Edited July 28, 2021 by CorkScrewHill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/dion-dawkins-ike-boettger-placed-on-covid-19-list/ - We don't know if they were vaccinated, if they have it .. so please no covid vaccine talk. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/jerry-hughes-headed-to-nfi-list-with-calf-strain/ Hopefully everyone back soon ... They were. Breakthrough infections. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, IBTG81 said: They were. Breakthrough infections. Yeah ,,.. I misread and have since made the correction .. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 This thread will probably be closed 24 hours from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) So I'm curious: since the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and just reduces symptoms/makes it harder to contract, and since vaccinated players face fewer restrictions than unvaccinated players, AND since the NFL has stated that if an unvaccinated player causes an outbreak, it will cause his team to forfeit because the league isn't adding an extra week...what happens if a vaccinated player causes an outbreak? Seems like this could be an actual concern. Edited July 28, 2021 by Boxcar 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Devilmann said: This thread will probably be closed 24 hours from now Very optimistic of you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Very optimistic of you. What can I say I have faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boxcar said: So I'm curious: since the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and just reduces symptoms/makes it harder to contract, and since vaccinated players face fewer restrictions than unvaccinated players, AND since the NFL has stated that if an unvaccinated player causes an outbreak, it will cause his team to forfeit because the league isn't adding an extra week...what happens if a vaccinated player causes an outbreak? Seems like this could be an actual concern. Definitely a concern. I saw somewhere that the NFL was going to reevaluate how often they were going to test vaccinated players, it was once a week. They should probably just test everyone everyday to make it even and be extra cautious. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Boxcar said: So I'm curious: since the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and just reduces symptoms/makes it harder to contract, and since vaccinated players face fewer restrictions than unvaccinated players, AND since the NFL has stated that if an unvaccinated player causes an outbreak, it will cause his team to forfeit because the league isn't adding an extra week...what happens if a vaccinated player causes an outbreak? Seems like this could be an actual concern. I think prevents is a tricky word. it substantially reduces risk, even if not eliminating. Clearly the Nfl wants to encourage that reduced risk. the NFLs issue in this is going to be figuring the tipping point on vaccinated vs unvaccinated to make that serious call on forfeiting a game. If it’s blended and no known source, how do you call it? Edited July 28, 2021 by NoSaint 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I think prevents is a tricky word. it substantially reduces risk, even if not eliminating. Clearly the Nfl wants to encourage that reduced risk. the NFLs issue in this is going to be figuring the tipping point on vaccinated vs unvaccinated to make that serious call on forfeiting a game. If it’s blended and no known source, how do you call it? Well, that's kinda what I'm worried about. Will unvaccinated guys become convenient fall guys for the NFL even if they follow protocols to a T? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/dion-dawkins-ike-boettger-placed-on-covid-19-list/ - Both were vaccinated .. so please no covid vaccine talk. They will be able to return to practice after two negative tests. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/jerry-hughes-headed-to-nfi-list-with-calf-strain/ Hopefully everyone back soon ... The article you’re quoting said that, based upon Beane’s presser I assume, but while Chris Brown quoted Beane as saying that, I heard him walk that back later in the presser and just say that they have had ~5 Covid infections over the summer and some were vaccinated. So I don’t think we really know at this point. Hopefully they were because of the potentially earlier return you note and lower chance of a severe infection with complications. 9 minutes ago, Boxcar said: Well, that's kinda what I'm worried about. Will unvaccinated guys become convenient fall guys for the NFL even if they follow protocols to a T? I would be very surprised if that NFL policy stood without substantial modification. JC Tretter made it clear that the NFLPA was NOT consulted and did NOT buy in to that policy. I linked it elsewhere but you can read what he had to say here: (It let me read with just giving my email addy but now it wants a login) Here’s my talking points from earlier: Previous post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 What's up with Jerry's calf? Tweaked during off-season or something from last season I can't remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, BillsShredder83 said: What's up with Jerry's calf? Tweaked during off-season or something from last season I can't remember? Thought I heard Beane say it was something from off-season training, nothing serious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thought I heard Beane say it was something from off-season training, nothing serious Correct, just a strain while training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The article you’re quoting said that, based upon Beane’s presser I assume, but while Chris Brown quoted Beane as saying that, I heard him walk that back later in the presser and just say that they have had ~5 Covid infections over the summer and some were vaccinated. So I don’t think we really know at this point. Hopefully they were because of the potentially earlier return you note and lower chance of a severe infection with complications. I would be very surprised if that NFL policy stood without substantial modification. JC Tretter made it clear that the NFLPA was NOT consulted and did NOT buy in to that policy. I linked it elsewhere but you can read what he had to say here: (It let me read with just giving my email addy but now it wants a login) Ugh, Goodell is really going for the worst commissioner crown. He really has to juice it up to catch Rob Manfred. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Maybe XL People should receive XL amounts of vaccine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I’m sorry for these two guys and although pretty rare, at least these guys did their best to be vaccinated. I thought Beane said one was symptomatic, and was not to date. The pressers seemed pretty focused on these guys remaining focused on football which is always a good thing. Edited July 28, 2021 by machine gun kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Brandon Beane Presser https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-everyone-s-gotta-be-smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/dion-dawkins-ike-boettger-placed-on-covid-19-list/ - Both were vaccinated .. so please no covid vaccine talk. They will be able to return to practice after two negative tests. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/jerry-hughes-headed-to-nfi-list-with-calf-strain/ Hopefully everyone back soon ... Very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Brandon Beane Presser https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-everyone-s-gotta-be-smart He did state that just over 80% of players have at least had the first jab including some that started yesterday and HaplessBillsFans is correct .. he clarified that he was not indicating that Dawkins and Boetgger were or were not vaccinated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Devilmann said: This thread will probably be closed 24 hours from now Why?! We didn't bring up Beasley once! ...s***, my bad. and @Chandler#81 I need my eye roll emoji. It's not fair if you do it for my other posts and not this one. 😉 🍻 ✌️ Edited July 28, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just based on the timing the vaccine was released, when the Delta strain is supposed to really hit hard, then a low probability of a vaccinated/infected person even going for testing, then the frequency of testing done in the NFL (less for vaccinated players, but still will be done). The NFL might have one of the better environments we will find in the coming months to understand rates of breakthrough infections against variants as well as decreased immunity as whole. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: He did state that just over 80% of players have at least had the first jab including some that started yesterday and HaplessBillsFans is correct .. he clarified that he was not indicating that Dawkins and Boetgger were or were not vaccinated. I will say that waiting til camp is silly, albeit better than never. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, elroy16 said: Definitely a concern. I saw somewhere that the NFL was going to reevaluate how often they were going to test vaccinated players, it was once a week. They should probably just test everyone everyday to make it even and be extra cautious. Of all the things Bease has said, his point on this is right. Vaccinated players need to be tested every day. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I linked it elsewhere but you can read what he had to say here: (It let me read with just giving my email addy but now it wants a login) Instructions to read: Right click on link and save file to drive. Open file with another window. Note: when I tried to change zoom scale it reloaded so be careful in what you touch. Javascript interacts with block software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Get well soon guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 With news like this I support every player, coach and anyone that comes close contact with the team should be tested daily vaccinate and unvaccinated. It’s the right thing to Do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/dion-dawkins-ike-boettger-placed-on-covid-19-list/ - Both were vaccinated .. so please no covid vaccine talk. They will be able to return to practice after two negative tests. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/28/jerry-hughes-headed-to-nfi-list-with-calf-strain/ Hopefully everyone back soon ... Nowhere has it been confirmed both were vaxxed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, 716er said: Nowhere has it been confirmed both were vaxxed then the article is wrong, " But Beane added that both players have been vaccinated, which means they contracted breakthrough infections." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: then the article is wrong, " But Beane added that both players have been vaccinated, which means they contracted breakthrough infections." Indeed - Beane did not add that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: What's up with Jerry's calf? Tweaked during off-season or something from last season I can't remember? The good news is Hughes doesnt need this time.....gives an opportunity to evaluate some other players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 What would be the down side to testing all players daily regardless of vaccination status? Other than expense, I can't really think of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm kind of pissed that Jerry did not get the calf vaccine. As an older player, isn't he in a vulnerable group for those kinds of tweaks? What was he thinking? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Not worried about Dawkins and Ike seems like a mild setback as they will hopefully only be out for a week or two. Hughes is a bit worrisome, hoping it is a mild injury just odd to see a calf injury. Not a great start to camp but better to have these small issues early in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm a bit concerned with Hughes injury. This is likely his final season in Buffalo and really need him 100% with no lagging type injury excuse if the dline doesn't produce again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: I'm a bit concerned with Hughes injury. This is likely his final season in Buffalo and really need him 100% with no lagging type injury excuse if the dline doesn't produce again this year. I would rather have him have that injury now rather than later, he doesn't really need a real training camp anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Agree that Hughes missing camp reps is not a problem. Hope he recovers completely in time for the season opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Who the hell is our back up LOT? With Nsekhe gone I have no idea. Are we starting the rookie Brown at LT? Are we jumbling our line? Moving Williams to left (he hates that!) and starting Brown at right? This easily could turn into a big trouble spot for our boys in blue this fall. Can Brown play as a rookie? Jery Hughes embarrassed Becton on the Jets. Speaking of Hughes, why haven't we drafted a Jerry Hughes clone yet? You know, someone that can actually hit the QB? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 hours ago, CuseBill said: I'm kind of pissed that Jerry did not get the calf vaccine. As an older player, isn't he in a vulnerable group for those kinds of tweaks? What was he thinking? At his advanced age, just getting out of bed is hazardous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 9 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: He did state that just over 80% of players have at least had the first jab including some that started yesterday and HaplessBillsFans is correct .. he clarified that he was not indicating that Dawkins and Boetgger were or were not vaccinated. Just gonna add this here: https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/07/bills-training-camp-2021-cole-beasley-takes-center-stage-8-observations-from-day-1.html Apparently we have our own One Bills Drive Rashoman, where a dozen reporters listened to Brandon Beane and came away thinking he said different things about the same two guys Quote 8. Dion Dawkins & Ike Boettger placed on Covid/Reserve list Beane announced before the start of practice that Dawkins and Boettger were the team’s latest cases after dealing with a few during the offseason. He said one of the players was vaccinated and one wasn’t, and both will have to make it through the protocols before they return to the team. Beane also said the Bills are over 80% with players who’ve had at least one vaccination shot. Boettger and Dawkins may be the latest implementation of Schroedinger’s Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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