EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

Agreed, No way Bills are moving away for a couple of seasons while stadium is being built

 

This is why the Pegulas waited until the team was winning to start all of this.

 

"Threatening" that the team will have to move works far better when we're a perennial playoff contender than in year 20 of a drought. Heck, some of us may have welcomed the break from the team had this occurred in the 2010s!

[LabattBlue]

38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Nothing is decided yet. Not even close.

 

IMO, this is all negotiating through the media with the city.

 

"We'll just stay in OP, AND move the team away for a year or two. Unless we can get a deal done downtown..."

I hope so. 🤞

[May Day 10]

The Bills dont negotiate with the 'city'.  Its an EC and NYS thing.  
 

 

I dont get how floating the idea of a Stadium in Orchard Park would be a threat to anybody.  Nor does the promise of a more economical option of an outdoor stadium.

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

The Bills dont negotiate with the 'city'.  Its an EC and NYS thing.  
 

 

I dont get how floating the idea of a Stadium in Orchard Park would be a threat to anybody.  Nor does the promise of a more economical option of an outdoor stadium.

I think if there is a “message” sent it is to Erie county which owns the ECC land that they are rumored to want to build on, which would allow the bills to continue to play at the current stadium until it’s done. Also, if I’m not mistaken the current stadium is being leased to them by Erie county and they will need them to agree to extend the lease past 2023. So I think  “threat” is a big strong but it might be a not so subtle message 

Edited June 21, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[May Day 10]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think if there is a “message” sent it is to Erie county which owns the ECC land that they are rumored to want to build on, which would allow the bills to continue to play at the current stadium until it’s done. Also, if I’m not mistaken the current stadium is being leased to them by Erie county and they will need them to agree to extend the lease past 2023. So I think  “threat” is a big strong but it might be a not so subtle message 

 

That I can buy and it is plausible.

 

But to think this is all a ploy to strong-arm Byron Brown and the City of Buffalo into building a covered stadium downtown is fantasy

 

 

If they wanted a covered stadium downtown, they would be floating that option, insisting its the only way the Bills can remain economically viable, and leaning hard on the County and the State for that.  Also remember there would likely be many hundreds of millions in infrastructure to accompany the stadium...  It would be a very pricey thing (and why I have predicted all along we are likely looking at Orchard Park for this when all the $s are calculated).

 

So if they did pull the switcheroo and introduced this much more expensive option down-town, Im sure the State and County would point to the original 'plan' in Orchard Park

Edited June 21, 2021 by May Day 10

[Preds]

8 hours ago, RiotAct said:

really?  I didn’t know that.  I enjoyed both when I went in 2018 and 2019 respectively. (Only had drinks at the latter, though)

Yes really.

[DrDawkinstein]

13 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

That I can buy and it is plausible.

 

But to think this is all a ploy to strong-arm Byron Brown and the City of Buffalo into building a covered stadium downtown is fantasy

 

You can think that.

 

I get my info from someone who works at the Project Management company which has overseen stadium builds in Atlanta, DC, and Seattle, and who was personally in the preliminary meetings up in Buffalo which Byron Brown and other city reps were also part of.

 

The city is just another layer. State, County, City. All need to be on-board. State and County get theirs no matter which site they choose. Might be easier at the OP site since most of that is county-owned land. But the downtown site has plenty of parts under the city's jurisdiction.

 

I know for a fact there were things the city reps brought up which threw a monkey wrench into the process very early on. Wouldn't be surprised if that was still occurring.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

That I can buy and it is plausible.

 

But to think this is all a ploy to strong-arm Byron Brown and the City of Buffalo into building a covered stadium downtown is fantasy

 

 

If they wanted a covered stadium downtown, they would be floating that option, insisting its the only way the Bills can remain economically viable, and leaning hard on the County and the State for that.  Also remember there would likely be many hundreds of millions in infrastructure to accompany the stadium...  It would be a very pricey thing (and why I have predicted all along we are likely looking at Orchard Park for this when all the $s are calculated).

 

So if they did pull the switcheroo and introduced this much more expensive option down-town, Im sure the State and County would point to the original 'plan' in Orchard Park

No I didn’t get that from it at all. 

[runner68]

55 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You can think that.

 

I get my info from someone who works at the Project Management company which has overseen stadium builds in Atlanta, DC, and Seattle, and who was personally in the preliminary meetings up in Buffalo which Byron Brown and other city reps were also part of.

 

The city is just another layer. State, County, City. All need to be on-board. State and County get theirs no matter which site they choose. Might be easier at the OP site since most of that is county-owned land. But the downtown site has plenty of parts under the city's jurisdiction.

 

I know for a fact there were things the city reps brought up which threw a monkey wrench into the process very early on. Wouldn't be surprised if that was still occurring.

 

 

Any chance you know that the issues are that the city brought up? Is this all just subterfuge to get the city to straighten itself out? 
 

sounds to me like the city isn’t as “out” as everyone has assumed. 

[Punching Bag]

On 6/19/2021 at 7:42 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

They could have built the new stadium when the team was bad. Now that they are finally good, we might have to be displaced from our home/home field advantage during construction! Go figure. 

 

Last year would have been a good time to build the stadium since fans could not attend other than playoffs but it would probably affect costs of contract since workers would need to take precautions.

[May Day 10]

It's simple.  They want to establish that after 2023 it's not a foregone conclusion they rubber stamp a lease extension

 

But eventually, in the interest of cooperation, they will agree to extend the lease through that bridge time period in exchange for more funding from the state and county.

 

 

And there is no doubt there were meetings with buffalo.  Downtown was one of the final and most likely options and the organization did all due diligence.   I'm sure buffalo threw up roadblocks because that's what they do, and that probably went into the decision to remain in orchard park, along with many other factors.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Why make another open air stadium, if thats the case then leave it as it is. Unless your building a multipurpose dome downtown then dont bother.

 

 

Although i would like higher stacked seating so one can be closer to the field.

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

The Bills dont negotiate with the 'city'.  Its an EC and NYS thing.  
 

 

I dont get how floating the idea of a Stadium in Orchard Park would be a threat to anybody.  Nor does the promise of a more economical option of an outdoor stadium.

The truth is they cut the deal with the Governor and nobody else. 
 

 My suspicions on this run far deeper than this post, but I wonder if the Skyway issue forced the Bills’ hand a bit and they leaked their plans to make sure a major component of Canadian access to a new stadium isn’t destroyed.  The point about playing elsewhere for two years was intentional.  Not sure the purpose, but I’m starting to wonder if the Bills leveraged Poloncarz a bit on the vax issue to tamp that down and keep him in line. 

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You can think that.

 

I get my info from someone who works at the Project Management company which has overseen stadium builds in Atlanta, DC, and Seattle, and who was personally in the preliminary meetings up in Buffalo which Byron Brown and other city reps were also part of.

 

The city is just another layer. State, County, City. All need to be on-board. State and County get theirs no matter which site they choose. Might be easier at the OP site since most of that is county-owned land. But the downtown site has plenty of parts under the city's jurisdiction.

 

I know for a fact there were things the city reps brought up which threw a monkey wrench into the process very early on. Wouldn't be surprised if that was still occurring.

 

 

I’m gonna guess eminent domain and the general … dopeiness of Byron Brown.  They probably looked across the table from him and corporation counsel (smart guy, and a decent, kind person, but dour personality), looked at each other, and wondered why they were dealing with these guys.  Byron in particular is a rinky dink player. 

[BillsMafi$]

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by BillsMafi$

[BillnutinHouston]

Interesting that Kim hasn't held any media availabilities about this.  I think that signals they're in negotiation mode and keeping things close to the vest.

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Why make another open air stadium, if thats the case then leave it as it is. Unless your building a multipurpose dome downtown then dont bother.

 

 

Although i would like higher stacked seating so one can be closer to the field.

 

 

 

The same reason they moved from the open air Rockpile to the open air Rich Stadium.

 

They need a new stadium.

 

And for those that think there are some games being played so the Bills can get a downtown stadium…..why would the Pegula’s have sunk the money they have into the Bills training facility to make it the best in the league?

 

The Bills are staying in Orchard Park while construction takes place and the stadium will be right next to the current one.

 

The Bills will reduce capacity by 10-15 thousand during the two years the stadium is being built for parking purposes.

 

You heard it here first.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Beast

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

The same reason they moved from the open air Rockpile to the open air Rich Stadium.

 

They need a new stadium.

 

And for those that think there are some games being played so the Bills can get a downtown stadium…..why would the Pegula’s have sunk the money they have into the Bills training facility to make it the best in the league?

 

The Bills are staying in Orchard Park while construction takes place and the stadium will be right next to the current one.

 

The Bills will reduce capacity by 10-15 thousand during the two years the stadium is being built for parking purposes.

 

Agree with the post except the last line. Not hard to arrange buses from remote lots for fans. Also, the off-premises lots would increase as a result of increased demand, fans just have to walk farther in some cases. No way they reduce attendance to due to parking. 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Why make another open air stadium, if thats the case then leave it as it is. Unless your building a multipurpose dome downtown then dont bother.

 

 

Although i would like higher stacked seating so one can be closer to the field.

 

 

 

1. A hard-core crowd like Buffalo's is best served by an open stadium. It maximizes the noise.

2. A lot of winning teams play in open stadiums (Pats, Packers, Niners, Steelers, Seahawks, Chiefs...). It really has no bearing on a team's success or stats.

3. Football is supposed to be played in the elements. Period.

4. Domes are obviously more expensive and I bet the increase in profits from the apparent versatility is marginal. During the winter months, it's all football. And in a place with a mild summer like Buffalo, an open stadium still works. Keep the cost down as much as possible; keep ticket prices down as much as possible; but you still have a state of the art upgrade that the league is pushing for.

[Locomark]

16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Well I'm no architect but I have to imagine a lot hinges on the stadium footprint.

 

One of the big reasons the original Rich Stadium only cost $23MM to build in 1973 was most of the stadium was built in the ground. The result was a wide bowl. Great for fan views but not good if you want to put a roof on.

 

If they did want to put a roof on later they would have to limit the footprint. It would have to be a taller, narrower structure with stacked decks, like Foxboro, which was built totally above ground. 

 

One of the big drivers of building in OP again could be, again, the cost of a stadium partially built into the ground. If they replicate that Rich Stadium template, they'll save money upfront but will make it that much more difficult to cover it later.

Actually I heard the reason the cost of SoFi was so much greater than other stadiums was the fact it had to be engineered 100 feet into the ground to avoid the LAX flight pattern. If that is true, they won’t be digging it in because they will be trying to save costs. Let’s just hope this isn’t some bargain basement stadium like the hockey rink was. Do it right so it lasts for a long time and isn’t a joke in a decade. 

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

Actually I heard the reason the cost of SoFi was so much greater than other stadiums was the fact it had to be engineered 100 feet into the ground to avoid the LAX flight pattern. If that is true, they won’t be digging it in because they will be trying to save costs. Let’s just hope this isn’t some bargain basement stadium like the hockey rink was. Do it right so it lasts for a long time and isn’t a joke in a decade. 

Not really. That’s not why SoFi was so expensive. Putting it into the ground can actually save money when it’s done wisely like was done with Rich Stadium, but that’s not what they did in Los Angeles. There they actually dug a hole, built a huge retaining wall around the perimeter (like a moat) and built a conventional stadium at the bottom of the hole. So there’s actually an entire floor level down at field level. That’s not true in Orchard Park where the lower seating bowl’s concrete was poured right on the dirt. Hope that makes sense and helps.

Edited June 22, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not really. That’s not why SoFi was so expensive. Putting it into the ground can actually save money when it’s done wisely like was done with Rich Stadium, but that’s not what they did in Los Angeles. There they actually dug a hole, built a huge retaining wall around the perimeter (like a moat) and built a conventional stadium at the bottom of the hole. So there’s actually an entire floor level down at field level. That’s not true in Orchard Park where the lower seating bowl’s concrete was poured right on the dirt. Hope that makes sense and helps.

There was also tons of engineering/expense poured into the stadium (pun intended) to make it earthquake resistant

[SoCal Deek]

19 minutes ago, stevewin said:

There was also tons of engineering/expense poured into the stadium (pun intended) to make it earthquake resistant

True to a point but almost nothing spent on snow load! 😉

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

14 hours ago, Beast said:

The same reason they moved from the open air Rockpile to the open air Rich Stadium.

 

They need a new stadium.

 

And for those that think there are some games being played so the Bills can get a downtown stadium…..why would the Pegula’s have sunk the money they have into the Bills training facility to make it the best in the league?

 

The Bills are staying in Orchard Park while construction takes place and the stadium will be right next to the current one.

 

The Bills will reduce capacity by 10-15 thousand during the two years the stadium is being built for parking purposes.

 

You heard it here first.

 

Why can't they keep their training facility in Orchard Park even with a downtown stadium?  Can't see them building a big dome downtown if they were to move there.  Don't know who owns the land the facility is on, also leased, regardless I'm sure they could work out a deal for that.

 

I will agree didn't see anything suggesting the new stadium is on the same identical site.  Think I did read would take 2 years to complete, that seems awful fast if a tear down needs to occur first in order to build a new one.

 

 

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not really. That’s not why SoFi was so expensive. Putting it into the ground can actually save money when it’s done wisely like was done with Rich Stadium, but that’s not what they did in Los Angeles. There they actually dug a hole, built a huge retaining wall around the perimeter (like a moat) and built a conventional stadium at the bottom of the hole. So there’s actually an entire floor level down at field level. That’s not true in Orchard Park where the lower seating bowl’s concrete was poured right on the dirt. Hope that makes sense and helps.

 

And then 1 inch of Astroturf was laid on top!!!  Field is done!!

Edited June 22, 2021 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[May Day 10]

If the stadium was done in-place, I would think they would just expand the crater in the ground.  Would probably be cheaper than it would to demo, then backfill/compact it (thats a lot of backfill).  That will still be really expensive if they need to do that after-the fact.

 

 

Really looking forward to more information/renderings.  Really hoping it resembles Seattle's stadium.  Also, give our crowd an acoustic sound deflecting roof and it will be really loud.

[Bulldog]

I prefer to watch & talk football. Stadiums planned to be paid for with public money are bound to become embroiled in the swampy world of local & state politics. Jerry Jones might be a good choice as a consultant in the political field - where influence & the ability to put pressure on the right people can make the difference between a project being completed or that project never making it off the drawing board. This guy might have also have been a good choice as a consultant :

[Coffeesforclosers]

28 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

I prefer to watch & talk football. Stadiums planned to be paid for with public money are bound to become embroiled in the swampy world of local & state politics. Jerry Jones might be a good choice as a consultant in the political field - where influence & the ability to put pressure on the right people can make the difference between a project being completed or that project never making it off the drawing board. This guy might have also have been a good choice as a consultant :

 

If Don Corleone ran the Bills, the stadium would be a palace of marble, Tom Brady would be stocking shelves with the other 6th rounders, and Belichick would wake up with Ernie Adams head in his sheets.

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

True to a point but almost nothing spent on snow load! 😉

Not the frozen kind - heyyy-ooohhh

 

A while back I randomly came upon some "most extreme" type show that detailed some of the engineering for earthquake protection - was amazing the extent of some of what they put into it  

[SoCal Deek]

28 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Not the frozen kind - heyyy-ooohhh

 

A while back I randomly came upon some "most extreme" type show that detailed some of the engineering for earthquake protection - was amazing the extent of some of what they put into it  

They did an entire show on the SoFi stadium a while back. It’s an interesting facility for sure. Most would think it’s a dome but it’s not. It’s a conventional outdoor stadium with a translucent umbrella roof over the top of the entire thing. And as previously stated unlike stadiums are built into the dirt, it’s actually again rather conventional. It’s just that they lowered the existing level of the site DEEP into the ground and built the whole place in a hole. The other interesting thing is that it’s not just one venue. In the teardrop end of the roof they built an entire indoor theater venue that can host other entertainment events with a covered plaza in the gap between the two venues.

Money was clearly not an obstacle.

[red hots]

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/poloncarz-on-bills-stadium-theres-no-agreement

Quote

 

Poloncarz on Bills stadium: "There's no agreement"
"There is no agreement to build a new stadium"

BUFFALO, NY (WKBW) — Erie county says there's no agreement on the table to build a new Buffalo Bills stadium.

“While we have met and discussed issues with the stadium — there's no agreement — I want people to understand that,” declared Mark Poloncarz, Erie County Executive.

Poloncarz says lease negotiations between the state, county and Buffalo Bills is underway, but disputes a report that there is an agreement to build a new stadium on Abbott Road near the current stadium in Orchard Park.

 

Reaction comes after word surfaced Friday that the Buffalo Bills and Pegula Sports and Entertainment hired a consultant to explore options for a possible new stadium.

“So, I just want the public to understand — that while the Pegula's may be preparing as they are for the discussions and hiring counsel — we hired counsel to assist us, but there is no agreement to build a new stadium and when there is an agreement we will talk about it,” Poloncarz said.

An article by Venues sparked speculation of a new stadium.

 

Pegula Sports and Entertainment has hired legends global sales to sell premium seats and sponsorship for what it described as a new venue for the Buffalo Bills and to study construction of a new stadium. The current stadium lease expires in 2023.

“The issue is what's going to happen, is there going to be a new stadium or is there going to be a major renovation — similar to what was done in Green Bay to that facility,” Poloncarz stated.

Built in 1973, the stadium has undergone upgrades — a cost that is shared by the county, the state and bills. Improvements made several years ago cost $130-million.

But paying for a new stadium could cost a billion or more.

“What we've been seeing in recent years is that NFL stadiums are running a billion and upward,” remarked Andrew Zimbalist, economic professor, Smith College, Massachusetts. He points to the $5-billion costs of the SoFi stadium in Los Angeles, home to the L.A. Rams.

But it includes an entertainment center and was built with private dollars and tax incentives.

“Which just seems astronomical?" Buckley asked.

“And frankly the news is still more depressing for Buffalo because those host cities that tend to have a smaller population and a smaller footprint to the large corporation, they don't have as much bargaining power as the larger cities do and they owners know that and take advantage of that,” Zimbalist.

And that means in the smaller cities, life Buffalo — it relies on taxpayer contribution to help pay for it.

The county executive would not discuss any details, only saying it will be some time before a stadium deal is announced.

But Poloncarz says he can reassure bills fans that he expects the team will be in Buffalo for a very long time.

“I feel very confident the bills will be the Buffalo Bills for as long as I’m alive — I feel confident in that situation,” said Poloncarz.

A spokesman for the Buffalo Bills say the organization is not commenting on this topic at this point.

 

 

[Chicharito]

The Pegulas have bought large chunks of land downtown. Like the whole perry projects. Other big investors and developers have also bought up everything around the area as well. With that being said I believe they are holding the lease and saying that they are going to be in the road for 2 years as a bargaining chip for tax breaks and lower lease price. No way will the county or state lose out on the money that the bills bring in. The stadium will be a downtown stadium.

[WhoTom]

4 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

If Don Corleone ran the Bills ...

 

... then at least the term "Bills Mafia" would make sense.

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

1. A hard-core crowd like Buffalo's is best served by an open stadium. It maximizes the noise.

2. A lot of winning teams play in open stadiums (Pats, Packers, Niners, Steelers, Seahawks, Chiefs...). It really has no bearing on a team's success or stats.

3. Football is supposed to be played in the elements. Period.

4. Domes are obviously more expensive and I bet the increase in profits from the apparent versatility is marginal. During the winter months, it's all football. And in a place with a mild summer like Buffalo, an open stadium still works. Keep the cost down as much as possible; keep ticket prices down as much as possible; but you still have a state of the art upgrade that the league is pushing for.

 

A lot of the dome teams built them for the purposes of securing super bowls (which bring in a ton of money).  Buffalo will never get one, so the dome aspect isn't there.  You might be able to use it for concerts or something, but they play football in the winter so... you can have concerts in the spring/summer in an open air stadium probably just as much.

1 hour ago, Chicharito said:

The Pegulas have bought large chunks of land downtown. Like the whole perry projects. Other big investors and developers have also bought up everything around the area as well. With that being said I believe they are holding the lease and saying that they are going to be in the road for 2 years as a bargaining chip for tax breaks and lower lease price. No way will the county or state lose out on the money that the bills bring in. The stadium will be a downtown stadium.

 

Yep - everythings a negotiation tactic.  Same goes for them saying " we could play at penn state or somewhere else" when the lease is up.  They're just saying that to get favorable terms.

5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Why can't they keep their training facility in Orchard Park even with a downtown stadium?  Can't see them building a big dome downtown if they were to move there.  Don't know who owns the land the facility is on, also leased, regardless I'm sure they could work out a deal for that.

 

I will agree didn't see anything suggesting the new stadium is on the same identical site.  Think I did read would take 2 years to complete, that seems awful fast if a tear down needs to occur first in order to build a new one.

 

 

 

And then 1 inch of Astroturf was laid on top!!!  Field is done!!

 

Could you imagine playing on that?  I rolled up on my toe just thinking about it.

[galept]

1 hour ago, Chicharito said:

The Pegulas have bought large chunks of land downtown. Like the whole perry projects. Other big investors and developers have also bought up everything around the area as well. With that being said I believe they are holding the lease and saying that they are going to be in the road for 2 years as a bargaining chip for tax breaks and lower lease price. No way will the county or state lose out on the money that the bills bring in. The stadium will be a downtown stadium.

Bold prediction, but not without merit. There are heavy incentives to bring the team downtown which is why they have been considering it for years.

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, Chicharito said:

The Pegulas have bought large chunks of land downtown. Like the whole perry projects. 

The stadium will be a downtown stadium.

 

Maybe that area is for a new arena and entertainment zone around the arena. Perry St projects is my preferred area by the way for a stadium. By far and I've stated that consistently and many times over. But there's more land available in OP and it would be cheaper than razing all the projects.  

It would be such a huge win for Buffalo to get rid of the shithole area and rebirth it as a stadium entertainment zone. But all of that goes for an arena also with a much smaller footprint. 

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, red hots said:

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/poloncarz-on-bills-stadium-theres-no-agreement

 

From the article:

 

"And that means in the smaller cities, life Buffalo — it relies on taxpayer contribution to help pay for it"

 

If voters vote yes to a tax hike, the stadium will be built.

 

If they vote no, Pegula will threaten to move the team.

 

This is exactly what happened in San Diego and Atlanta 

[red hots]

11 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

Maybe that area is for a new arena and entertainment zone around the arena. Perry St projects is my preferred area by the way for a stadium. By far and I've stated that consistently and many times over. But there's more land available in OP and it would be cheaper than razing all the projects.  

It would be such a huge win for Buffalo to get rid of the shithole area and rebirth it as a stadium entertainment zone. But all of that goes for an arena also with a much smaller footprint. 

 

This rendering was found online a few weeks ago and subsequently taken down, seemingly it was not meant to be out to the public yet. However on the same site there was also a rendering of a renovated "New Era Field" which was also removed, so no idea how old this is, or if its a genuine plan or merely a rendering of one of many ideas.  Populous the stadium architects are behind it I believe.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

20 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Agree with the post except the last line. Not hard to arrange buses from remote lots for fans. Also, the off-premises lots would increase as a result of increased demand, fans just have to walk farther in some cases. No way they reduce attendance to due to parking. 

Park cars at McKinley Mall & shuttle people to Highmark to replace some of the lost parking.  The mall just sold & is barely occupied.  According to an internet search, there are over 6,800 parking spots.  

Edited June 22, 2021 by Albany,n.y.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

@YoloinOhio yes a tax hike will be required. Why did you delete your post ?

 

So doing the math, a new domed stadium will cost around 2-3 billion.

 

If PSLs can only get 200M-300M, where is the rest of the money coming from ?

 

I'll tell you. The taxpayers.  Pegula will not put much of his money up. He will try to shake down the tax payers of Buffalo.

 

I hope the taxpayers vote no and force the billionaire to pay for his own stadium.

 

In no way should tax payers pay for a billionaires stadium.

 

If I go to see a movie should I help pay for the movie theater?

Edited June 22, 2021 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

@YoloinOhio yes a tax hike will be required. Why did you delete your post ?

 

So doing the math, a new domed stadium will cost around 2-3 billion.

 

If PSLs can only get 200M-300M, where is the rest of the money coming from ?

 

I'll tell you. The taxpayers.  Pegula will not put much of his money up. He will try to shake down the tax payers of Buffalo.

 

I hope the taxpayers vote no and force the billionaire to pay for his own stadium.

 

In no way should tax payers pay for a billionaires stadium.

 

If I go to see a movie should I help pay for the movie theater?

I didn’t have time to write the whole thing so had to come back. I don’t know about Atlanta  but it’s not the same as San Diego as in they don’t need a certain number of signatures to get it put on the ballot. In NYS it can just be placed on the ballot. SD didn’t support the team regardless 

 

as far as whether it will require a tax hike to build this particular stadium, maybe. We have no details yet, at all. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[The Dean]

3 hours ago, red hots said:

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/poloncarz-on-bills-stadium-theres-no-agreement

 

 

From the WKBW article

 

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“Which just seems astronomical?" Buckley asked.

 

 

Who is Buckley? There is no other mention of him/her in the article. And that doesn't look like a question to me.