Process Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 That's a ridiculous list. There is a ton of skill position talent in the league right now though. Giants and Bengals snubbed too. Dolphins actually have a nice group. Robert Woods is awesome but Rams are probably not top 15, what the hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 So it's definitely not the only team with two 2020 All-Pro receivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 NICE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 No Bills and no Cardinals 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: They didn’t even factor in Dawson Knox!!! Shame! 🎶We had Pufnstuf! Couldn't do a little 'Cause he couldn't do enough!🎵 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: How do you judge this is the question. They seem to be doing this purely as a 1-2. The Cowboys 1-2 is Cooper and Lamb The Panthers 1-2 is Moore and Anderson The Falcons 1-2 is Jones and Ridley The Buccs 1-2 is Evans and Godwin The Rams 1-2 is Woods and Kupp The Vikings 1-2 is Theilen and Jefferson The Browns 1-2 is Beckham and Landry The Seahawks 1-2 is Metcalf and Lockett I think the Bills equivalent would be Diggs and Beasley. Maybe Beas is getting downgraded for being pretty much strictly a slot, but I'd argue that pair belongs above the Rams pair, the Browns pair, and the Panthers pair. Where I think the Bills definitely belong in the conversation even more prominently is when you say "okay well what about the depth? The Cowboys have a legit #3 in Michael Gallup but I couldn't even tell you who their #4 is. The Panthers drafted Terrace Marshall Jnr and Shi Smith late (who I think was a bit of a steal) but they have no proven #3 until one of them starts making plays on an NFL field. The Falcons have a solid but unspectacular #3 in Russell Gage, no idea who their #4 is. The Buccs are stacked with a legit #3 in Antonio Brown and a legit #4 in Scotty Miller and they still have guys picked in the mid rounds the last two years behind that in the system. The Rams have an ageing DeSean Jackson as their #3 and then Van Jefferson and Tutu Atwell as guys drafted in the 2nd round the last two years but who need to prove it. The Vikings have no proven #3. The Browns have Rashad Higgins and Donovan Peoples-Jones as their #3 and #4 who are solid not special. The Seahawks have no proven #3 but did draft D'Wayne Eskridge early last weekend. The Bills, however, have Emmanuel Sanders and a second year Gabe Davis as their #3 and #4 which puts them towards the head of that list. If you are purely asking about 1-2 punch I think the Bills should be in the top 8 conversation but are probably talking 6th-8th and there may be other teams who have been unfairly missed off too (Chargers? Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?) but if you are talking top 4 receiver depth I think the Bills are possibly top 2. The Buccs would be #1 but after that the Bills are in the conversation for me in terms of proven guys who have shown they can play at a high level in this league. Great breakdown. Diggs is widely regarded as a Top 3 WR, so the disrespect is definitely aimed at Beasley. We have a deep WR room, but more importantly.. a stud QB, solid pass pro OL, WR’s who fit the scheme and strong Offensive Coaching. Put that all together and you have the recipe for a top passing offense in the NFL. There are a lot of teams with strong WR rooms now.... even the Jets and Dolphins feel good about their talent/depth. We have a really talented WR room, but I think it’s overrated a bit here... What we do have is an elite QB1, WR1, players that fit what we do and all the ingredients needed for a successful passing attack. Edited May 7, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) We definitely aren't #1 but the question in the original tweet is "Who has the best WR corps?" not duo. Buffalo is easily in the top 8 as far as WR corps go. Tampa is clearly #1 IMO though. I'd also probably bump Minnesota and Seattle out of the top 8. Giants should be in there IMO. Not sure who #8 would be but Minnesota and Seattle are basically only two deep. Edited May 7, 2021 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Browns didn’t have a guy in the top 35 last year😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Let this fuel us! Last I checked, Diggs led the league in yards. This is all offseason fodder. I saw we put our foot on every teams neck that we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Corey Davis is a good WR.... If j had the choice of him or Sanders on the outside, the answer is easy. The Jets WRs aren't already good. They have potentially 4 good options at WR. Moore and Mims have a long way to go, but are both highly touted college prospects. My point was it seems every team is loading up on wideouts via the draft or FA. You need at least 3 good WRs nowadays. Miami is another team with a potentially stacked group. Really depends on how Waddle performs year one. Corey Davis and his 51 reception and 2.75 TD's per season average is good. Emmanuel Sanders averages more than that even in the last 4 years when Davis started. Davis was a borderline bust until he became average. Gabe Davis has as many TD's in his rookie year than Corey Davis in the last 2 years. But yeah Corey Davis is good? Sanders and Gabe Davis aren't. We only have 2 good WR in Beasley and Diggs....give me a break. Get off the Jets nipple. Edited May 7, 2021 by Royale with Cheese 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Its pretty absurd to not have the duo that contains one of the top 3 WR's in the NFL and literally the best slot and 3rd down WR in the NFL on this list. Hope we use it as motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: About all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, chknwing334 said: The only possible explanation is that they knew they would get a ton of replies by trolling Bills fans. Anyone that leaves Buffalo off the list of best WR corps loses every shred of credibility they may have had. If my math is right, they were 300-400 yards past the next best duo on that list. Also the only all pro duo. It's actually weird. People were so rah rah Bills during the playoffs and latter part of the season, but they have been barely talked about by anyone in the offseason. The only time they enter the discussion is when some idiot is arguing that the Patriots will retake the division with Nelson Agholor and Kendrick Bourne. Also, this narrative that the only reason for the huge passing game is Diggs is getting so irritating. I'm tired of Beasley not getting the respect he deserves. I also don't agree with the "he isn't flashy" narrative. He catches literally everything. Edited May 7, 2021 by Boxcar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 16 hours ago, chknwing334 said: The only possible explanation is that they knew they would get a ton of replies by trolling Bills fans. Anyone that leaves Buffalo off the list of best WR corps loses every shred of credibility they may have had. I initially thought PFF had made that a standard policy to generate hate clicks from the Bills Mafia, but came to realize they just hired idiots that also enjoyed yanking our chains. A nod to the PFF apologists that I am not knocking the value of just data collection and analytics as a practice in and of itself. I remember reading through their game 1 comments last year. Allen did have a rough outing in our Jets win with ball security and some inaccuracies. But scrolling through all their comments I came to the conclusion they were no better than most fan-boys with their bias takes and slants. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-1-live-reactions-analysis-and-more Timo Riske 4:23 PM I can't wait for Bills Mafia to get mad at the Josh Allen grade, wherever this will end up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, WideNine said: I initially thought PFF had made that a standard policy to generate hate clicks from the Bills Mafia, but came to realize they just hired idiots that also enjoyed yanking our chains. A nod to the PFF apologists that I am not knocking the value of just data collection and analytics as a practice in and of itself. I remember reading through their game 1 comments last year. Allen did have a rough outing in our Jets win with ball security and some inaccuracies. But scrolling through all their comments I came to the conclusion they were no better than most fan-boys with their bias takes and slants. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-1-live-reactions-analysis-and-more Timo Riske 4:23 PM I can't wait for Bills Mafia to get mad at the Josh Allen grade, wherever this will end up Sites like PFF don't have good people because if they did, those people would get snatched up by some NFL FO. The value of those sites is in the statistics alone. The articles and opinions are worth virtually nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: About all that... Absolutely right that neither injury had to happen. But that's McDermott, very stubborn and set in his ways when it comes to certain things. Neither guy should have been out there when they got hurt . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 we have Jesus in cleats, those teams do not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Honestly, I’m more worried than ever about our guys having enough gas in the tank for another deep playoff run. Our receivers were the walking wounded at the end of last season. There are 17 regular season games this year. I hear the talk that no one is healthy at the end of a football season but it seemed to me that our offense’s complete reliance on the passing game potentially correlated to an increased chance for our receivers to be injured, which they were. I sincerely hope that we have enough horses in the barn to make a deep run. I also hope we achieve a better offensive balance this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, AmishRifle said: Honestly, I’m more worried than ever about our guys having enough gas in the tank for another deep playoff run. Our receivers were the walking wounded at the end of last season. There are 17 regular season games this year. I hear the talk that no one is healthy at the end of a football season but it seemed to me that our offense’s complete reliance on the passing game potentially correlated to an increased chance for our receivers to be injured, which they were. I sincerely hope that we have enough horses in the barn to make a deep run. I also hope we achieve a better offensive balance this year. It was mostly a fluke that they were all injured. Could happen to any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 55 minutes ago, Doc said: It was mostly a fluke that they were all injured. Could happen to any team. IIRC Diggs and Beas were both injured late in games we had well in hand wk 16 and 17 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: IIRC Diggs and Beas were both injured late in games we had well in hand wk 16 and 17 The Beas injury was on a throw to try and get him to 1,000 yards. I am conflicted on it because I do think it was unnecessary for him to be out there but the fact that McDermott likes those kind of personal milestone things for his players at the end of seasons almost as a reward for being team first all year is part of how he has built this thing. Also if you were going to do it then at the end of a game where the Pats were deflated had less chance of injury than giving him a few snaps early the following week against a Miami team with the playoffs on the line for them. Was just one of those things I think. Diggs the next week I have no sympathy with them on. He shouldn't even have suited up for that game. I love squishing the Fish as much as the next guy but he was too critical to us. It was an enjoyable watch but Josh and Stef were out there way too long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 There are a few teams with an Elite Top 2 pairing. Seattle fits that now with Metcalf and Lockett, and they drafted Eskridge. Julio and Ridley are just as a good as Metcalf and Lockett combined. Then you have teams with potential. On paper the Dolphins took a step forward with Fuller and Waddle added to Parker. Injuries and suspensions hurt their case. Cincinnati could be good with Chase, Higgins and Boyd. The 49ers top two are good with Samuel and Aiyuk. Same with the Vikings. Steelers may have a #1 in Claypool, but Smith-Schuster has not been the same player since the Cleveland concussion and Johnson has too many drops. For the Bills to be the best, I think they need another top-flight/legitimate #1 type WR to pair with Diggs. Sanders is on a 1-year deal, let's see if Gabe Davis can take #2 role this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, AmishRifle said: Honestly, I’m more worried than ever about our guys having enough gas in the tank for another deep playoff run. Our receivers were the walking wounded at the end of last season. There are 17 regular season games this year. I hear the talk that no one is healthy at the end of a football season but it seemed to me that our offense’s complete reliance on the passing game potentially correlated to an increased chance for our receivers to be injured, which they were. I sincerely hope that we have enough horses in the barn to make a deep run. I also hope we achieve a better offensive balance this year. How about that it sucks that they both got injured at the wrong time and that "running da ball" likely wouldn't have changed that? We saw when Beasley got injured, but not Diggs. For all we know, it could have happened executing a block or even off the field. Injuries happen in the NFL all the time, we just got unlucky with both the severity and who they affected. I'm not keen on using this as an excuse to run the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 On 5/7/2021 at 1:05 PM, GoBills808 said: Browns didn’t have a guy in the top 35 last year😂😂 OBJ is so overrated. If you can't stay on the field, then you can't put up stats. Even when he's healthy, he whined if he's not getting like 50% of passes thrown his way. The Browns did not miss him at all last year. Landry is a nice player but elite? Come on. I'm also surprised by the lack of Beasley love in here. That guy is absolutely elite at what he does. Him and Diggs can go up against pretty much anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: How about that it sucks that they both got injured at the wrong time and that "running da ball" likely wouldn't have changed that? We saw when Beasley got injured, but not Diggs. For all we know, it could have happened executing a block or even off the field. Injuries happen in the NFL all the time, we just got unlucky with both the severity and who they affected. I'm not keen on using this as an excuse to run the ball more. We also lost Smoke as well. I agree that it’s not a good reason to emphasize the run game more so than the passing game. I just hope our wideouts make it through this season unscathed. Maybe a better argument for increased tight end production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I mean, who ya really going to take out of that for Diggs and Beasley? I mean the argument can be made for the Vikes, but Jefferson had a rookie season bettter than any season Diggs ever had, until he got here. I guess you could argue the Rams too, but those guys are really damn good, so I don’t really see anything wrong with the list. All those teams have more physically dominating guys, which will always get more attention, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: I mean, who ya really going to take out of that for Diggs and Beasley? I mean the argument can be made for the Vikes, but Jefferson had a rookie season bettter than any season Diggs ever had, until he got here. I guess you could argue the Rams too, but those guys are really damn good, so I don’t really see anything wrong with the list. All those teams have more physically dominating guys, which will always get more attention, it is what it is. So to me - Rams (both are better than Beas but neither is close to Stef), Panthers (same deal) and Browns (because the last time OBJ actually dominated on the field was a long old time ago). But I think you can argue as a 1-2 punch Keenan Allen and Mike Williams have been unfairly missed off too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just out of curiosity, I wanted to see what the 2020 top passing teams' stats were for just their WRs. So, I subtracted the TE yards from each teams' total passing yards. TOTAL PASSING YARDS OF THE TOP 9 PASSING TEAMS FROM 2020 w/TE PRODUCTION SUBTRACTED (WRs ONLY) BUF 4,344 HOU 4,043 ATL 4,024 DAL 3,877 TB 3,725 LAC 3,670 KC 3,526 DET 3,362 LVR 3,033 Why only 9 teams? Because from the 10th team on, no team's total passing yards (including their TE production) was as much as the Bills WRs on their own. Seems crazy that the most productive WR corps in the league last year, with the top receiver from last year, and their only loss being a net gain by picking up Sanders (Brown had 458 yds and 3 TDs last year; Sanders 726 and 5 TDs), wouldn't be in the conversation. Of the 8 teams selected by NFLonCBS, only 3 were in the top 10 in receiving yards last year. The other 5 teams were ranked 13th, 14th, 16th, 18th, and 24th. I know football is a complex team sport and things can change drastically from one season to the next---and more goes into passing stats than just how good the WRs are (like QB, scheme, O-line, etc.). But the post said, "Who has the best WR corps." You could use a lot of criteria for such a ranking, but to me, the "best" has to mean production. And I do not see how all 8 of those teams leap-frog the Bills group, even weighing in offseason moves (draft and FA). None of those teams acquired a big name free agent WR, and only 4 of those teams spent a high draft pick on a WR [3 late second-rounders (LAR, SEA, CAR), and a third rounder (CLE)]. I'm not saying we are the best/most talented, or whatever...but how are our guys not top 8 with that production (300 yards more than the next team, 1,000 yards better than the 9th team). And even if they were talking about WR duos (because most of the pictures are two players only---even though the title is "corps"), well again, based on last year, wouldn't the best be the players with the most yards? Diggs/Beasley: 2,502 yards Lockett/Metcalf: 2,357 Jefferson/Thielen: 2,325 Anderson/Moore: 2,289 Ridley/Jones: 2,145 (Jones missed 7 games) Lamb/Cooper: 2,049 Kupp/Woods: 1,910 Evans/Godwin: 1,846 (Godwin missed 4 games) Landry/Beckham 1,159 (Odell missed 9 games) I just don't see us dropping from the #1 overall receiver, the #1 overall yards by WRs, the #1 WR duo, #3 overall in passing and receiving (TEs included), all the way down to 9th place or worse. Yes, there are a lot of big names, high draft picks, and talent on that list...but our guys are pretty damn talented too (regardless of draft position or name recognition). 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 PFF being our biggest fans as usual. This was a much better list than the one in the OP IMO, though I'd probably take the Giants over the Bengals right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 5/7/2021 at 6:48 AM, Royale with Cheese said: How are Mims and Moore already good? You state Gabe Davis after one year is inconsistent but then label Corey Davis as good when he’s been even more inconsistent in his 4 years? Wow. Good point .. in fact it appears Mims is on the roster bubble https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/07/jets-2020-second-round-pick-denzel-mims-may-be-on-the-roster-bubble/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I read an article a couple weeks back rating teams weapons offensively and also downgraded the Bills at stated something to the fact: It talked how they let go John Brown their #1 WR going into last year for Sanders. He was their #1 only because they were pretty bad overall the year prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Probably should have subtracted rb's and all other non wr's first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) On 5/6/2021 at 10:59 PM, ScottLaw said: Diggs is a top outside WR. Beasleys a very good a slot. Outside of that they have an 34 YO Sanders who’s not who he was and a 2nd year WR in Davis who flashed but was also inconsistent.... solid unit but best in the league? Nah. It seems just about every team in the league is building their teams to have at least 3 good WRs. Hell, even the Jets have 4 seemingly good options in Corey Davis, Mims, Crowder, and now Elijah Moore. Mims, who did little in his rookie season, and Moore, who's never played an NFL down, are "seemingly good options, while Davis, who snagged 7 TDs as a rookie, "flashed, but was also inconsistent"? Makes so much sense.... Edited August 8, 2021 by Bermuda Triangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Might Rather Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 That list will be different next spring... Diggs and Davis at the top! 👆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Lamb Cooper and Gallup would be the trio. Plenty of good duos. CD is about to blow the league up if Dak is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Mims, who did little in his rookie season, and Moore, who's never played an NFL down, are "seemingly good options, while Davis, who snagged 7 TDs as a rookie, "flashed, but was also inconsistent"? Makes so much sense.... Davis is going to have a big year this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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