Doug Whaley Criticizes Sean McDermott’s Game Management vs Chiefs

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The same people attacking Doug Whaley in this thread would have endlessly defended and supported any decision he would have made if he were still the GM of the Bills.

 

A certain % of the people here have this gang warfare territory type thing going on, where nothing bad can be said of current Bills employees, ever.  Once they leave, they immediately transition into material for criticism.  

 

Look at how this board viewed EJ, Tyrod, Kiko Alonso, and Sammy Watkins to name a few, both while on the roster and after they left it.

Night and day support followed by joking and disrespect.

 

It's odd.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes and no. I would add that we've also seen plenty of criticism doled out to current roster/coaches (e.g., fire Daboll threads during 2018-19 in which full disclosure I also participated in) that is solely based on what we see on the field. Even now, guys like Singletary and Edmunds routinely get called out by a sizable number around here, even if they are also defended. Conversely, Gilmore would be an example of a former player who's still sought after around here whenever the discussion of opposite corner from Tre comes up...  

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The same people attacking Doug Whaley in this thread would have endlessly defended and supported any decision he would have made if he were still the GM of the Bills.

 

A certain % of the people here have this gang warfare territory type thing going on, where nothing bad can be said of current Bills employees, ever.  Once they leave, they immediately transition into material for criticism.  

 

Look at how this board viewed EJ, Tyrod, Kiko Alonso, and Sammy Watkins to name a few, both while on the roster and after they left it.

Night and day support followed by joking and disrespect.

 

It's odd.

 

 

 

 

 

 
I completely disagree.  At one point fans were ok with Whaley.  They were also ok with Rex Ryan.  Plans change.  Losing does that.

 

By the end of 2016 the majority of the Bills fan base were frustrated and soured on Whaley as GM.  I don’t remember many shedding tears when he was gone, though there were some supporters.

 

Of course, if you don’t think he was very good himself, you’ll take offense to Whaley criticizing someone who was better than him 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

27 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I understand and appreciate your view and you make a cogent argument. My question was related to an undercurrent of dislike for Whaley because he did not succeed as a GM for the Bills. As you did, its fair to questions his credentials as a game strategy evaluator but simply dismissing his views due to his job performance is not the right way to look at it. 

Imo, if Whaley had prioritized and taken a good QB early in his tenure, his stay with the Bills would have been viewed far more sympathetically. Beane has built a good team overall but truth be told, he has not really hit on many of his high picks. As examples, the performances from Oliver, Epenesa, Knox, Singletary have been underwhelming related to where they were picked. I dont want to hijack this thread in that direction but wanted to make a point that picking a good QB covers up for a lot of other draft mistakes

^^^Yep. That's a point than many here have made from Day 1 of this regime--hit on QB, your ticket's been punched. Whiff on QB, but hit on everything else? There's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out...and rightly so, as that's the single greatest individual factor to determine franchise staying power/success, imho. 

[JohnNord]

31 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

 

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I understand and appreciate your view and you make a cogent argument. My question was related to an undercurrent of dislike for Whaley because he did not succeed as a GM for the Bills. As you did, its fair to questions his credentials as a game strategy evaluator but simply dismissing his views due to his job performance is not the right way to look at it. 

Imo, if Whaley had prioritized and taken a good QB early in his tenure, his stay with the Bills would have been viewed far more sympathetically. Beane has built a good team overall but truth be told, he has not really hit on many of his high picks. As examples, the performances from Oliver, Epenesa, Knox, Singletary have been underwhelming related to where they were picked. I dont want to hijack this thread in that direction but wanted to make a point that picking a good QB covers up for a lot of other draft mistakes

I think you are being far too generous to Whaley.  First off a successful GM does more than draft players.  It’s about working with a coach and building a vision and then an actual team.  Whaley failed at all of this.  
 

While you can question whether “hit” on picks or not, take a look at the draft record of Beane’s first 2 drafts vs Whaley’s 3 drafts.  His picks were not home runs, but they were far better than Whaley.  
 

We’ve known for decades that QB is a team’s biggest priority.  This is why Beane took a risk to get Allen and then developed a plan to see him grow.  
 

Whaley did prioritize QB - he just made a terrible choice and WHO he prioritized.  Then rather than cutting he doubled down on his bad choice and it likely cost him his job in the end.  
 

Let’s call a spade, a spade here.  Whaley was not a very good GM

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

That explains it then.  If you have a favorable opinion of Doug Whaley, then of course it won’t bother you. 
 

If you didn’t think he was very good, you’re going to take exception with a person in leadership criticizing the coach who was way more successful.

 

Its like Zay Jones saying that Stefon Diggs is too soft at getting off the LOS.  Same reaction

 

Also you said Doug never picked his coaches?  That’s your speculation but I listen to the podcast and he never has claimed that.  Ty also said that Whaley hired McDermott.  So it appears that isn’t true

It doesn’t mean he can’t comment.  Everyone can comments.

 

But you shouldn’t be surprised that fans are giving him push back.  McDermott did what Doug never could in turning around a franchise, so of course fans are going to give him a negative reaction and question his credibility   

If someone is providing accurate criticism it doesn’t matter if it’s a former GM or the janitor at the local high school. If it’s right, it’s right. It’s stupid to get mad at someone for being right. Also I’m not a Whaley fan

[spartacus]

19 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Disagree.... he obviously didn’t have a good feel for the game or was coaching scared. The Bills defense could not stop the Chiefs. They needed TDS to keep pace. A FG wasn’t going to do much there. 

gotta love treating it as 100% guaranteed that the Bills would have scored a TD, then using that benchmark to say taking the FG was stupid

[Protocal69]

Why does Whaley care anyways. Remember per Whaley himself football is a violent game that he personally doesn't think humans are meant to play.  

[djp14150]

19 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

I understand at the end of half of kicking FG at end of half after they scored 21 unanswered.  My criticism isn’t around that. It’s the plays before and getting a TD on 1-2-3 down,  second half FG...kicking to 15 being down 24-12 at the time of the kick, I’d go for it and not settle for FGs

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

If someone is providing accurate criticism it doesn’t matter if it’s a former GM or the janitor at the local high school. If it’s right, it’s right. It’s stupid to get mad at someone for being right. Also I’m not a Whaley fan

 

I think someone up thread pretty much called it.  It's not about whether the criticism is justified, it's the context of who you once were and what kind of decisions were made on your watch.

 

Given the game decisions and records made by the coaches Whaley presumably had strong say in hiring, for him to go on the air and publicly criticize the coach we have now, who took us to our first AFC championship game in >25 years, appears unbecoming to some of us. 

 

You're welcome to disagree, but I don't think it makes the above viewpoint stupid.

 

25 minutes ago, spartacus said:

gotta love treating it as 100% guaranteed that the Bills would have scored a TD, then using that benchmark to say taking the FG was stupid

 

Yep.  Whatever happens, if you lose the game there will always be second-guessing.

[JohnNord]

49 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

If someone is providing accurate criticism it doesn’t matter if it’s a former GM or the janitor at the local high school. If it’s right, it’s right. It’s stupid to get mad at someone for being right. Also I’m not a Whaley fan

Not really.  If your friend got a new job and the guy who she replaced said something critical, you’d have the same reaction.  I get why fans don’t hear it.   What do you expect them to say?  
 

It’s being critical of the person - not necessarily the message.  If those big decisions were so easy then why didn’t Doug did fail so many?   

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think someone up thread pretty much called it.  It's not about whether the criticism is justified, it's the context of who you once were and what kind of decisions were made on your watch.

 

Given the game decisions and records made by the coaches Whaley presumably had strong say in hiring, for him to go on the air and publicly criticize the coach we have now, who took us to our first AFC championship game in >25 years, appears unbecoming to some of us. 

 

You're welcome to disagree, but I don't think it makes the above viewpoint stupid.

 

 

Yep.  Whatever happens, if you lose the game there will always be second-guessing.

I couldn’t have said it better myself (and I tried really hard too!) 😀

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think someone up thread pretty much called it.  It's not about whether the criticism is justified, it's the context of who you once were and what kind of decisions were made on your watch.

 

Given the game decisions and records made by the coaches Whaley presumably had strong say in hiring, for him to go on the air and publicly criticize the coach we have now, who took us to our first AFC championship game in >25 years, appears unbecoming to some of us. 

 

You're welcome to disagree, but I don't think it makes the above viewpoint stupid.

 

 

Yep.  Whatever happens, if you lose the game there will always be second-guessing.

We will have to disagree on this

[JohnNord]

29 minutes ago, spartacus said:

gotta love treating it as 100% guaranteed that the Bills would have scored a TD, then using that benchmark to say taking the FG was stupid

Exactly, it’s also unrealistic to expect that the game would play out exactly as it did if they made those conversions. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Not really.  If your friend got a new job and the guy who she replaced said something critical, you’d have the same reaction.  I get why fans don’t hear it.   What do you expect them to say?  
 

It’s being critical of the person - not necessarily the message.  If those big decisions were so easy then why didn’t Doug did fail so many?   

I couldn’t have said it better myself (and I tried really hard too!)

 I would listen to the advice and look into if it was accurate or not. If it is accurate I would act accordingly. If it wasn’t accurate I would ignore it. People I don’t like are right all the time. It doesn’t change the fact that they’re right. It wouldn’t make sense for me to get mad at what they said.
 

You keep making assumptions that everyone thinks and acts the same way. That’s stupid 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 I would listen to the advice and look into if it was accurate or not. If it is accurate I would act accordingly. If it wasn’t accurate I would ignore it. People I don’t like are right all the time. It doesn’t change the fact that they’re right. You keep making assumptions that everyone thinks and acts the same way. That’s stupid 

I totally don’t buy this.

[Shaw66]

19 hours ago, JohnNord said:

This clip has generated a lot of interesting discussion.  Whaley echoes what a lot of fans have said about McDermott.  But because of past stint as GM, it’s pissed off a lot of fans.  
 

I’ll say this... I’ve listed to some of these podcasts and Doug isn’t really bitter.  If anything he takes the high road and goes out of his way not to say anything critical.  I feel that he doesn’t want to burn any bridges to get back to the NFL.  

 

I get why Bills fans are pissed though 
 

 

1.  I think Whaley is absolutely right.

 

2.  I like Whaley.  I think he's a good guy, and none of this is motivated by bitterness.

 

3.  I think Whaley should know better than to say this.  Maybe he's getting paid to be a talking head, maybe he's trying to stay in the game, maybe whatever.   Just like a good coach understands never to be critical of a current player or a former player, Whaley should understand that the nature of their history and their relationship is such that he shouldn't be saying things like this. 

 

4.  What's good about McDermott is that he's always trying to learn and get better.   He doesn't need Doug Whaley to critique him, but McD is so good that if he sees this clip he will listen to it, evaluate it, and learn from it.   Frankly, I think McD in hindsight probably agrees with some or all of it.  He's going to be better in his next championship game. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

1.  I think Whaley is absolutely right.

 

2.  I like Whaley.  I think he's a good guy, and none of this is motivated by bitterness.

 

3.  I think Whaley should know better than to say this.  Maybe he's getting paid to be a talking head, maybe he's trying to stay in the game, maybe whatever.   Just like a good coach understands never to be critical of a current player or a former player, Whaley should understand that the nature of their history and their relationship is such that he shouldn't be saying things like this. 

 

4.  What's good about McDermott is that he's always trying to learn and get better.   He doesn't need Doug Whaley to critique him, but McD is so good that if he sees this clip he will listen to it, evaluate it, and learn from it.   Frankly, I think McD in hindsight probably agrees with some or all of it.  He's going to be better in his next championship game. 

According to some people in this thread, that is not possible 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

1.  I think Whaley is absolutely right.

 

2.  I like Whaley.  I think he's a good guy, and none of this is motivated by bitterness.

 

3.  I think Whaley should know better than to say this.  Maybe he's getting paid to be a talking head, maybe he's trying to stay in the game, maybe whatever.   Just like a good coach understands never to be critical of a current player or a former player, Whaley should understand that the nature of their history and their relationship is such that he shouldn't be saying things like this. 

 

4.  What's good about McDermott is that he's always trying to learn and get better.   He doesn't need Doug Whaley to critique him, but McD is so good that if he sees this clip he will listen to it, evaluate it, and learn from it.   Frankly, I think McD in hindsight probably agrees with some or all of it.  He's going to be better in his next championship game. 

Glad there are people here who can illustrate my thoughts better than I can!

 

I agree with all of your points.  To point #3, Whaley does understand this.  I’ve listened to the podcast and he won’t really say anything bad about anyone.  That includes Doug Marrone, Rex Ryan, Russ Brandon, Terry Pegula etc.  In fact, he’ll stretch the truth a bit so he doesn’t have to say something negative about his past.  

 

He will offer his thoughts on the NFL as like he’s an analyst on ESPN.  But like you said, he probably should’ve more self-aware of this situation 

4 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

According to some people in this thread, that is not possible 

Yep and that’s where I’ll agree.  I listen to his podcast and don’t see him a bitter to the situation.  I’m just saying that I understand fans who question him

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

20 hours ago, JohnNord said:

This clip has generated a lot of interesting discussion.  Whaley echoes what a lot of fans have said about McDermott.  But because of past stint as GM, it’s pissed off a lot of fans.  
 

I’ll say this... I’ve listed to some of these podcasts and Doug isn’t really bitter.  If anything he takes the high road and goes out of his way not to say anything critical.  I feel that he doesn’t want to burn any bridges to get back to the NFL.  

 

I get why Bills fans are pissed though 
 

 

Another Whaley Gem. 😂 😂 

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

According to some people in this thread, that is not possible 

Well, to be clear, I probably should have said "I don't think" that Whaley was motivated by bitterness.   I certainly don't know, but he just has always seemed like a straight shooter to me.   He's been in the game a long time, and he knows people get fired.   I doubt he was surprised to get fired, and I'd guess that he understood fully that he was getting fired because of the body of his work, not because McD wanted to stick a knife in him.   But I certainly admit that I don't know any of that to be true - it's just what I think.

[QLBillsFan]

59 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, to be clear, I probably should have said "I don't think" that Whaley was motivated by bitterness.   I certainly don't know, but he just has always seemed like a straight shooter to me.   He's been in the game a long time, and he knows people get fired.   I doubt he was surprised to get fired, and I'd guess that he understood fully that he was getting fired because of the body of his work, not because McD wanted to stick a knife in him.   But I certainly admit that I don't know any of that to be true - it's just what I think.

Exactly. The objective criticism of McDermy is warranted. He’s since admitted as such. Whaley just happens to be the Bills former GM. He’s not alone. Don’t get the bitterness angle. 

[Chaos]

Brandon Beane has many positive attributes. By far his best attribute is that he is not Doug Whaley. 

[BullBuchanan]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Bitter??
 

What would this clown be bitter about?--being promoted to a job he was ill-prepared to perform?  Being horrible at running an NFL franchise?  Being forever out the NFL on merit?

 

 

The BALLS on this bum.....

He was a good GM that never got to hire his own coach or draft his own Quarterback. Not sure what you expected.

If Josh Allen was Josh Rosen, I'm pretty sure Beane isn't Executive of the Year.

Edited January 27, 2021 by BullBuchanan

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was a good GM that never got to hire his own coach or draft his own Quarterback. Not sure what you expected.

If Josh Allen was Josh Rosen, I'm pretty sure Beane isn't Executive of the Year.

 

 

This nonsense won't die.  By his own words, Rex was his man (he would ultimately lose his job over that).  He was also totally on board with EJ, who was drafted 2 weeks before Whaley was officially made GM.

 

He was such a good GM that the next one wiped all traces of his roster within 2 years and went to the playoffs  3 times.  He was a dope who took credit for what little good he did and took no blame.  

 

If bad Buffalo GMs were money, he would be on the $100 bill....

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This nonsense won't die.  By his own words, Rex was his man (he would ultimately lose his job over that).  He was also totally on board with EJ, who was drafted 2 weeks before Whaley was officially made GM.

 

He was such a good GM that the next one wiped all traces of his roster within 2 years and went to the playoffs  3 times.  He was a dope who took credit for what little good he did and took no blame.  

 

If bad Buffalo GMs were money, he would be on the $100 bill....

Doug Whaley was afraid to draft a QB during his entire tenure. 
 

Pot meet kettle.

[FLFan]

Without even reading anything he said I will say this: Doug Whaley should STFU.  Even if any of his criticism had validity at this point, I could not care less what he thinks about anything.  This guy was nothing but an incompetent fool in his Bills tenure, and I cannot imagine why any Bills fan would care in the least what he has to say.  

Edited January 28, 2021 by FLFan

[Bob in STL]

“you have to knock out the champ”?  
 

I saw Frazier beat Ali by decision.  Then Ali beat Frazier by decision.  Third time Frazier’s manager would not let him go out, and Ali later said he almost died that night.    There really were no knockouts.  
 

Whaley is a dunce.  He was terrible.  

 

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

“you have to knock out the champ”?  
 

I saw Frazier beat Ali by decision.  Then Ali beat Frazier by decision.  Third time Frazier’s manager would not let him go out, and Ali later said he almost died that night.    There really were no knockouts.  
 

Whaley is a dunce.  He was terrible.  

 

This is really dumb. Ali-Frazier is exactly the right example.  First fight, Frazier was champ. Ali didn't knock him out, Frazier kept the title. Second fight neither had the title. Third fight, Ali had the title, Frazier didn't knock him out, Ali kept the title.  Exactly what Whaley said.  If you want the title you have to knockout the champ.

 

Those three fights were amazing.   

[Billever76]

On 1/26/2021 at 10:17 PM, JohnNord said:

Check Mahomes rating versus the blitz it’s disgusting.  The answer is almost never to blitz Mahomes

Yet josh allen had an even better rating than mahomes against the blitz this year and yet kc still was throwing the sink at him in key downs....you sure don't play soft zone defense with a front 4 who cannot get home

[Thurman#1]

On 1/27/2021 at 9:29 AM, Process said:

He coached scared. We were completely outmatched, so it probably didn't cost us the game. But he 100% should be called out for it. 

 

Don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. 

 

 

He coached conservative, is what he coached.

 

I didn't like the decision either, but I do agree with you that we were outmatched and this wouldn't have made the difference, or even close, IMO.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Billever76 said:

Yet josh allen had an even better rating than mahomes against the blitz this year and yet kc still was throwing the sink at him in key downs....you sure don't play soft zone defense with a front 4 who cannot get home

 

 

We did do some blitzing, and seldom enough that it was surprising and unpredictable. And Mahomes absolutely ate it up, every drop, with gravy. The answer isn't more blitzing.

 

And you don't use a tactic on Patrick Mahomes because it works on the younger and rawer Josh Allen. Allen just didn't appear to have the poise he has mostly played with all year. Mahomes was oozing with it..

[JohnNord]

12 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was a good GM that never got to hire his own coach or draft his own Quarterback. Not sure what you expected.

If Josh Allen was Josh Rosen, I'm pretty sure Beane isn't Executive of the Year.

He never got to hire his own coach?  Because Doug will tell you otherwise.  
 

I disagree that he was a good GM.  He was able to find a few good under the radar players through FA and made a good trade to get Shady.  Doug also completely mismanaged the QB position with EJ Manuel.

 

Outside of that, he was poor at the draft and worse - he had no idea how to build a team.  

IMO Whaley’s ceiling is a Director of Pro Personnel.  He was in over his head as GM and the fact that he hasn’t gotten another opportunity in the NFL over the past 5 years is probably proof

 

7 hours ago, Billever76 said:

Yet josh allen had an even better rating than mahomes against the blitz this year and yet kc still was throwing the sink at him in key downs....you sure don't play soft zone defense with a front 4 who cannot get home

The difference is the QB’s.  Mahomes was not rattled by the blitz and knew where to go with the football.  Josh did not 

 

Also don’t underestimate the impact of KC’s defensive line which had 2 All Pro players completely beat our OL.  

[gaskill15]

The key to “limiting” the KC offense is getting to Mahomes rushing 4. If you sit back in zone their WRs are gonna find the holes. If you blitz Mahomes get ready to give up some huge plays. 
 

Fisher being out and Tampa’s pass rush is why I think Tampa can get it done. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

On 1/26/2021 at 6:35 PM, ScottLaw said:

Well he’s not wrong.... game was over when McD opted for the FG before half time to make it 21-12 when his defense couldn’t stop anything. You go for the TD there. He stands by the FG there even now. Slightly disappointing. 

The FG before Half was right call.

But, things should have changed after they matched on opening drive of 3rd... At that point it was clear, they weren't stopping them and dice had to be rolled more.  An 11 point game is not out of hand even in the final 5 minutes of a game. 

[NoSaint]

On 1/26/2021 at 6:37 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

I thought he clearly acknowledged that aggressive move in September followed by consistent safe ones in the afccg sends the message about which guy he is in his heart of hearts still. We will see if it was a lesson learned. 

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I thought he clearly acknowledged that aggressive move in September followed by consistent safe ones in the afccg sends the message about which guy he is in his heart of hearts still. We will see if it was a lesson learned. 

This is what worries me.  

[Bill from NYC]

On 1/26/2021 at 7:35 PM, ScottLaw said:

Well he’s not wrong.... game was over when McD opted for the FG before half time to make it 21-12 when his defense couldn’t stop anything. You go for the TD there. He stands by the FG there even now. Slightly disappointing. 

No he isn't wrong but the Bills really don't need the opinion of this totally sub par football executive. We are doing just fine without him. It is no accident that he is out of the league and will never, ever get another job as an NFL GM.

He should stick to scouting.

[Bill from NYC]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If bad Buffalo GMs were money, he would be on the $100 bill....

Yes and Levy would be on a thousand dollar note.

[C.Biscuit97]

So sensitive so of you

 

1 - he’s not wrong. Personally, I was so happy with everything this season, it’s really hard to criticize anything. I think KC was going to win no matter what we did. But Whaley isn’t wrong.

 

2 - if a former NFL GM isn’t allowed to voice his opinion, why can fans? It’s weird that some fans get upset about this. I know it’s crazy but Whaley might know more about football than most of you.

 

3 - it’s such BS how Whaley gets remembered. This year’s Josh Allen on some of the teams he put together were SB contenders too. He loaded us up with some legit rosters but ultimately, he couldn’t find a qb and that’s why he got fired. But isn’t close to as bad as some of you want him to be.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Whaley is hardly in a position to criticize anyone on anything in the NFL

[TheCockSportif]

8 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Whaley is hardly in a position to criticize anyone on anything in the NFL

Correct.  I was going to criticize his drafting, for example, or how humans should not play football.