So...are Edmunds and Oliver good?

[Victory Formation]

Just now, balln said:

lol he was THE CHOSEN one for this Defense by this GM. he just sucks. 

 

there are certain downs and distances and situations where he supposed to attack and he still sucks

I think our DL sucks. We need a dominant pass rusher, heck, we could use two dominant pass rushers. Edmunds is beaming with potential, some of it we may never see, but his problems are all mental. The scheme we are running absolutely does not help. These guys are stationary targets. I think Edmunds and Milano could be sufficient if they were allowed to attack more. I think allowing these guys to play downhill is a lot more of a powerful mentality to have then telling them to play 5 yards off the ball. Coaching is a major issue.

[KOKBILLS]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'll take your word for it. I know there were a few posters who were banging that DK drum. Especially because, like vegans and crossfit people, they never shut up about it. 🤣

 

 

Now THAT was funny!!! 😂

[Ethan in Cleveland]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Can you point to a single game-altering play he made in 2020?  He's a zone/cover linebacker.  Any interceptions?  Any tipped balls that led to others' interceptions?  How about a blown up screen pass at a critical moment, any of those?  Did he shut down a single tight end?  (No, the Bills were at the bottom of the league in covering tight ends in 2020.)

 

He was playing injured, sure. Since then he's gone from bad to serviceable.  It's great that he makes the defensive calls but they're sacrificing a lot of playmaking to have a guy who can make the calls. 

Agreed. Not a single impact play all year. Bend but don't break defenses need to create the occasional negative play. Edmunds made none.

[balln]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

No he isn't.  He rarely gets blown off the ball. For his lack of ideal size he actually holds up in the run game ok.  He gets the double team most of the time. Nobody is doubling Phillips or Zimmer. 

I did not want to draft him and thought it was a bad decision.  But that doesn't color my evaluation of him. He's just average and for a top ten pick that is a disappointment.

 

stats and film dont bear that out. he may not get blown off the ball. but hes easy to block. he just gets sealed off/turned in that case

 

agree w 2nd sentence

 

its just true of sports - when you have high picks you need to hit. need a cameron heyward or tj watt player. did hit on josh allen and thats most improtant

 

but cody ford, ed oliver, aj, edmunds, singletary, moss have been poor high end picks

4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think our DL sucks. We need a dominant pass rusher, heck, we could use two dominant pass rushers. Edmunds is beaming with potential, some of it we may never see, but his problems are all mental. The scheme we are running absolutely does not help. These guys are stationary targets. I think Edmunds and Milano could be sufficient if they were allowed to attack more. I think allowing these guys to play downhill is a lot more of a powerful mentality to have then telling them to play 5 yards off the ball. Coaching is a major issue.

thats not the defense we run though. again - when its time to defend the run they are told to go to their gap/shed and make the tackle. they dont do that/ edmunds especially

 

they were specifically picked to play this soft zone D crap that McD wants to play

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agreed. Not a single impact play all year. Bend but don't break defenses need to create the occasional negative play. Edmunds made none.

You know, I’ve never been the biggest Edmunds guy, but should we single him out when virtually every player on defense has been struggling? At what point should the coaches take accountability?

5 minutes ago, balln said:

thats not the defense we run though. again - when its time to defend the run they are told to go to their gap/shed and make the tackle. they dont do that/ edmunds especially

 

they were specifically picked to play this soft zone D crap that McD wants to play

The scheme isn’t working. The mentality behind it sucks. Not aggressive enough, not allowing our players to be violent.

[CNYfan]

44 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I dont agree with this at all. Everytime Edmunds blitzes he gets absorbed. He's terrible at rushing the passer.

 

He had 2 sacks and 4 tackles for loss total.

 

I dont mean to be rude but I just don't understand how you got to him rushing the passer he's terrible at it.

 

Everytime he blitzes we basically give them one less person to worry about.

I do not like to be negative, but how many plays has the guy made in 3 years?  Is he ever in the backfield?   Can we count his interceptions on one hand?  

I am not an expert but he seems like just another guy, not a high paid second contract type.  

[OrtonHearsaWho]

I think the jury is still out on both players but in Edmunds case I think a lot of you are answering based on yesterday's game and I'm not sure that's very fair.  If linebackers are going to be judged by whether they can cover Kelce then I think pretty much all LB would suck.

[GreggTX]

We shouldn't have wasted 1st round picks on them. If the draft were held again today, they'd both still be there on day 2. They are pretty average starters. If it were up to me, I'd be working a trade for whatever I could get for them. When Edmunds is targetted by QB's, he gives up a 129-130 passer rating. That's an MVP rating. Oliver, in the regular season had 3 sacks, 6 TFL and 1 FF. Not very impressive for 1st rounders, especially Oliver who was picked at #9. I'm not sure we'd be able to get much in return and Beane's only really good pick in rounds 1 and 2 has been Allen.

Edited January 25, 2021 by GreggTX

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, Reader said:

In the past few weeks I have seen the gamut of "these guys are busts" to "they have been out of position" to "they (mainly Oliver) are on the verge of breaking out". What are your assessment of these two, maybe, core players to build around? 

I feel by the end of the 3rd season you should have a good idea whether your draft picks fit into the team’s future.

 

Last year, we weren’t 100% certain on Josh.  I remember thinking that by the end of year 3, we had to know whether Josh was the franchise QB.  If we weren’t sure, chances are he is not.    
 

The same can’t be said about Edmunds.  He’s had a few nice plays but has struggled for most of the year.  We don’t know if the issue is his DL or if he’s just not cut out of be a MLB in a 4-3.  To me, he’s in Shaq Lawson territory but the difference is the same administration drafted him.  
 

My impression is that Edmunds is not good enough.  Not physical enough in the run game and not a enough of a difference maker versus the pass.  The Bills really need to take a close look at him. 
 

Oliver has flashed more than Edmunds IMO.  He also has 1 less year.  By the end of next year we should know where we stand with Oliver.  

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, Jeff1954 said:

I keep reading that Buffalo has the most expensive D line in the NFL. That is a big problem because the line has not played near that level. Beane, being really smart, has structured a lot of the FA contracts so Buffalo can walk away from them before next season. This also will be a big help with the reduced salary cap.

At this stage, we certainly keep Oliver. I have read a number of people on this board suggest we try him at DE. Why not, especially if there is a preseason next year?

There is a huge difference between what the fans on this board and elsewhere see with Edmunds and what McD and his fellow players say about him. No answers from me but it will be difficult to keep him and Milano and by any measure, Milano has looked the more valuable player.

Because that is a terrible idea and the people who keep proposing that idea are just throwing @#$% against the wall to see if it sticks.  

 

[GreggTX]

14 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

I think the jury is still out on both players but in Edmunds case I think a lot of you are answering based on yesterday's game and I'm not sure that's very fair.  If linebackers are going to be judged by whether they can cover Kelce then I think pretty much all LB would suck.

No. It is based on 3 years of underperforming.

[Jauronimo]

54 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Can you point to a single game-altering play he made in 2020?  He's a zone/cover linebacker.  Any interceptions?  Any tipped balls that led to others' interceptions?  How about a blown up screen pass at a critical moment, any of those?  Did he shut down a single tight end?  (No, the Bills were at the bottom of the league in covering tight ends in 2020.)

 

He was playing injured, sure. Since then he's gone from bad to serviceable.  It's great that he makes the defensive calls but they're sacrificing a lot of playmaking to have a guy who can make the calls. 

That goal line stand against San Fran was pretty nice.

[Coach Tuesday]

57 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I thought he played extremely well vs. Baltimore and was basically pretty effective from the SF game onward. My view of him is that he's still very young -- 22 years old, for God's sake! -- and physically very talented. Fans have to be patient with players. Let them develop. I am in no way saying he was anything close to elite this year, but factor in his age and experience when making assessments.  One thing I've become focused on is the importance of coaching up rare, elite physical talent. It can take time, but the payoff can be huge. I just feel like a guy that size who runs a 4.54 40 is someone you shouldn't make a final judgment on, especially since he's just 22.

I have no problem being patient and actually developing young players which is a marked change from the Ralph years.  But there’s a limit.  Not saying we’re there yet but it’s soon.  Usually with young players you at least see flashes of greatness - they’ll make “wow” plays out of athleticism and instinct alone.  Haven’t seen many of those with Tre.  He’s got the athleticism.  I don’t think he has the instincts.  His brother is the same way in Pittsburgh by the way - they, too, have been mystified by the lack of flash plays out of their Edmunds.  

Edited January 25, 2021 by Coach Tuesday

[KOKBILLS]

34 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

I think the jury is still out on both players but in Edmunds case I think a lot of you are answering based on yesterday's game and I'm not sure that's very fair.  If linebackers are going to be judged by whether they can cover Kelce then I think pretty much all LB would suck.

 

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I watched Edmunds constantly...even a bit obsessively all year. Heck going back to his Rookie Season...Most of the criticisms of him are valid. But I think it's more about him playing out-of-position than anything. I think he's always had too much on his plate and would be better served on the outside where his responsibilities are more limited, and he does not have to make 1000 reads on every play. Plus he'll have to take on less direct blocks from monsters who engulf him...I think there is a role for him to excel in almost any Defense. I do not think that role is at MLB for this team, and this scheme...But who knows? That scheme might change a lot in 2021. So we'll see...😎

[dave mcbride]

44 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I have no problem being patient and actually developing young players which is a marked change from the Ralph years.  But there’s a limit.  Not saying we’re there yet but it’s soon.  Usually with young players you at least see flashes of greatness - they’ll make “wow” plays out of athleticism and instinct alone.  Haven’t seen many of those with Tre.  He’s got the athleticism.  I don’t think he has the instincts.  His brother is the same way in Pittsburgh by the way - they, too, have been mystified by the lack of flash plays out of their Edmunds.  

Agreed, but I'd pick up the option and give him two more years. If he isn't going to pan out, you'll know by then.

[KOKBILLS]

46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 He’s got the athleticism.  I don’t think he has the instincts.  His brother is the same way in Pittsburgh by the way - they, too, have been mystified by the lack of flash plays out of their Edmunds.  

 

Bingo! 😎

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Oliver is the reason I love big, sloppy DTs with a mean streak.

 

You cannot coach or teach God-given massive bulk. 

 

Oliver is a high effort guy but he is just plain too small. 

 

 

 

This.  

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Bingo! 😎

I agree with all the posters who mention his lack of instincts.   Its amazing how often he actually moves away from the hole the run is going through.   And with all that speed it doesnt show up  in pass coverage.  I would not be overpaying him when his contract is up.

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Oliver is completely invisible on the field 

Only if you have no idea how defensive line works

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Move Edmunds to OLB already.  He has so much physical potential he would be a commanding trade bait if we so chose.

 

Oliver needs a big stud DT to play by his side so he can utilize his speed better.  He had his moments.

Edmunds has demonstrated quite clearly that his football is IQ is close to zero.

 

I'd rather move on from him entirely than stick him out on the outside.

 

At a certain point "potential" is only worth so much.

 

Maybe we can con someone into giving us something of quality in a trade. Beane's a clever guy.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

I think the jury is still out on both players but in Edmunds case I think a lot of you are answering based on yesterday's game and I'm not sure that's very fair.  If linebackers are going to be judged by whether they can cover Kelce then I think pretty much all LB would suck.

Disagree on that; Edmunds has a large set of data to draw upon now.

 

Anyone forming an opinion on anyone after a single game isn't doing a very good job evaluating.

 

 

[HappyDays]

I feel like there are multiple games a season where the opposing offense makes it a point to attack Edmunds and he always lets them get away with it. Run it right at him or confuse him with misdirection in the pass game. It's guaranteed yards every time. He was the biggest problem on defense yesterday. It would be a little easier to swallow if he ever showed flashes of elite play but it just isn't happening. I'm about done with him.

 

I still believe in Oliver. He's been playing 1-tech way too much this year. Next season when Star is presumably back I hope he is never played out of position again. He was probably our most consistent d-line player at pushing the pocket this year when he was asked to do so. Needs to become a better finisher to take his game to the next level.

 

6 hours ago, babulator said:

Edmunds is a mystery to me. You would think being that tall and having that wingspan he'd be tipping and touching alot more balls on the field. He also really struggles to get off blocks and seems to shoot the wrong gap more often than the right one. I also have a hard time understanding why he struggles in coverage soo much, he's fast, long, tall, they say he has good instincts and is smart, I don't get it. 

 

When the first person coined the cliche "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" they were watching a Tremaine Edmunds pro reel. True story.

Edited January 26, 2021 by HappyDays

[Jpsredemption]

But “Edmunds is so young”...when is that well going to run dry? The guy is not an impact middle linebacker in the NFL. He’s just not. 

[BillsShredder83]

Can anyone explain why they think Edmunds is tailor made for OLB but not MLB. I have a couple core ideas but im sure I'm overlooking alot. Im not being a jerk, sincerely asking for the crowd who knows better.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I feel like there are multiple games a season where the opposing offense makes it a point to attack Edmunds and he always lets them get away with it. Run it right at him or confuse him with misdirection in the pass game. It's guaranteed yards every time. He was the biggest problem on defense yesterday. It would be a little easier to swallow if he ever showed flashes of elite play but it just isn't happening. I'm about done with him.

 

I still believe in Oliver. He's been playing 1-tech way too much this year. Next season when Star is presumably back I hope he is never played out of position again. He was probably our most consistent d-line player at pushing the pocket this year when he was asked to do so. Needs to become a better finisher to take his game to the next level.

 

 

When the first person coined the cliche "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" they were watching a Tremaine Edmunds pro reel. True story.

 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Can anyone explain why they think Edmunds is tailor made for OLB but not MLB. I have a couple core ideas but im sure I'm overlooking alot. Im not being a jerk, sincerely asking for the crowd who knows better.

 

Yeah I don't get it. He can't shed blocks or tackle particularly well. I guess the thought process is he won't have to rely on his instincts as much but that's not 100% true and instincts aren't the only weakness in his game. His best trait is being long and tall enough to close passing windows in the middle of the field.

 

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

I don't really care about his run stopping ability. The disappointment this year is he can't play the pass all that well either. He's good for standing tall in the middle of the field and baiting QBs to look elsewhere. But when teams make it a point to attack him it works all too well. We've gotten abused by TEs all year long and he's supposed to be the guy stopping them. A couple clips showing him filling the right gaps - which is a basic responsibility - aren't going to change my mind.

Edited January 26, 2021 by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I don't get it. He can't shed blocks or tackle particularly well. I guess the thought process is he won't have to rely on his instincts as much but that's not 100% true and instincts aren't the only weakness in his game. His best trait is being long and tall enough to close passing windows in the middle of the field.

 

I don't really care about his run stopping ability. The disappointment this year is he can't play the pass all that well either. He's good for standing tall in the middle of the field and baiting QBs to look elsewhere. But when teams make it a point to attack him it works all too well. We've gotten abused by TEs all year long and he's supposed to be the guy stopping them. A couple clips showing him filling the right gaps - which is a basic responsibility - aren't going to change my mind.

Read the thread

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Read the thread

 

Okay here's a better way of making my point - what was Edmunds's signature play this year? When has he made a play that the defense needed to be made? No big hits to force an incompletion or fumble, no interceptions, no big stops in big moments. If you made a highlight reel of him this year it would be totally normal plays that MLBs are expected to make. He has shown flashes of being competent. No flashes of greatness. Feels like a guy where you'll always be saying "can't wait until next year..." until it's too late.

[Alphadawg7]

Here is what too many fail to realize...We need BEEF in the middle of the DL in the worst way and without it, BOTH Oliver and Edmunds jobs are a lot harder to do.  I see people mentioning that about Oliver, but they also dont realize the impact it has on the LB's when the DL is easily manhandled in front of them because they are under sized.  It allows more blockers to get out on Edmunds, other holes to open up making the LB now out of position, etc.

 

I mean Edmunds just made back to back Pro Bowls, is young, and has plenty of ceiling left in front of him.  Oliver, I am not sold on, but he has shown enough last year next to Star that makes me want to see more of him next to a true 1TDT.  

 

My guess, the top 5 priority list of the offseason is going to look something like this for FA, trades and Draft:

 

DT - Hard to imagine this not being the top priority

TE - Knox I think is a quality #2 guy, but he is not starter level.  Maybe he gets there one day, but there should be some nice TE's available via trade or FA this offseason, and I think Beane could go get one.

RB - While I know they like Devin and Moss, I think that its clear we need someone explosive with good hands to at least compliment them or be our lead back. 

CB - Norman was a 1 year deal, dont see him coming back.  I can see them bringing someone in to challenge Levi for starting job opposite Tre

DE - Murphy will be gone, and Espenesa is unproven still to go along with our old vets in Hughes and Addison.  So I expect they will either add some depth here in FA, or draft one, possibly first 2 rounds if someone they covet is on the board.  

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I don't get it. He can't shed blocks or tackle particularly well. I guess the thought process is he won't have to rely on his instincts as much but that's not 100% true and instincts aren't the only weakness in his game. His best trait is being long and tall enough to close passing windows in the middle of the field.

 

 

I don't really care about his run stopping ability. The disappointment this year is he can't play the pass all that well either. He's good for standing tall in the middle of the field and baiting QBs to look elsewhere. But when teams make it a point to attack him it works all too well. We've gotten abused by TEs all year long and he's supposed to be the guy stopping them. A couple clips showing him filling the right gaps - which is a basic responsibility - aren't going to change my mind.

He played great vs. Baltimore. Don't forget that.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay here's a better way of making my point - what was Edmunds's signature play this year? When has he made a play that the defense needed to be made? No big hits to force an incompletion or fumble, no interceptions, no big stops in big moments. If you made a highlight reel of him this year it would be totally normal plays that MLBs are expected to make. He has shown flashes of being competent. No flashes of greatness. Feels like a guy where you'll always be saying "can't wait until next year..." until it's too late.

Edmunds is the pivot of the defense, for better or worse. The scheme revolves around him and White. This season his job has been made immense more difficult due to the inability of our DTs to win 1v1.

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Here is what too many fail to realize...We need BEEF in the middle of the DL in the worst way and without it, BOTH Oliver and Edmunds jobs are a lot harder to do.  I see people mentioning that about Oliver, but they also dont realize the impact it has on the LB's when the DL is easily manhandled in front of them because they are under sized.  It allows more blockers to get out on Edmunds, other holes to open up making the LB now out of position, etc.

 

I mean Edmunds just made back to back Pro Bowls, is young, and has plenty of ceiling left in front of him.  Oliver, I am not sold on, but he has shown enough last year next to Star that makes me want to see more of him next to a true 1TDT.  

 

My guess, the top 5 priority list of the offseason is going to look something like this for FA, trades and Draft:

 

DT - Hard to imagine this not being the top priority

TE - Knox I think is a quality #2 guy, but he is not starter level.  Maybe he gets here one day, but There should be some nice TE's available via trade or FA this offseason, and I think Beane could go get one.

RB - While I know they like Devin and Moss, I think that its clear we need someone explosive with good hands to at least compliment them or be our lead back. 

CB - Norman was a 1 year deal, dont see him coming back.  I can see them bringing someone in to challenge Levi for starting job opposite Tre

DE - Murphy will be gone, and Espenesa is unproven still to go along with our old vets in Hughes and Addison.  So I expect they will either add some depth here in FA, or draft one, possibly first 2 rounds if someone they covet is on the board.  

 

My one caveat is that you have to be more patient with young players. Edmunds is just 22 still, and Knox is a young 24. Both are extremely talented and way above average with regard to 40 times relative to their positions and size. NFL coaching is all about extracting the best out of raw, elite talent, and both of those guys are very talented physically.

Edited January 26, 2021 by dave mcbride

[97bills]

21 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

But “Edmunds is so young”...when is that well going to run dry? The guy is not an impact middle linebacker in the NFL. He’s just not. 

Thank you so sick of hearing that dude will be in his 4 year next season 

[ticketssince61]

8 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Good post.  Yesterday's loss had me thinking about this same question since between Edmunds, Oliver and Epenesa  we have invested 3 very high picks.

 

Edmunds isn't developing.  Oliver isn't penetrating at a rate I'd expect.  Epenesa, jury's still out - was surprised that he got the nod over Murphy yesterday.

 

 Actually 4 picks since we traded up for Edmunds

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Edmunds is the pivot of the defense, for better or worse. The scheme revolves around him and White. This season his job has been made immense more difficult due to the inability of our DTs to win 1v1.

I think he’s arguing it’s probably “for worse.” 

[Reed83HOF]

 

I'm not paying 2 LBs $27 million. I would rather pay Milano than Edmunds.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I think he’s arguing it’s probably “for worse.” 

Yeah and I’m arguing that would be incorrect.

[97bills]

4 hours ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

I think the jury is still out on both players but in Edmunds case I think a lot of you are answering based on yesterday's game and I'm not sure that's very fair.  If linebackers are going to be judged by whether they can cover Kelce then I think pretty much all LB would suck.

Next year will be his 4 year in the NFL I hope he makes a big leap but from what I’ve seen I doubt it. So that jury been out for a while now time for a verdict 

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Edmunds is the pivot of the defense, for better or worse.

 

I know, McDermott and Beane thought he would be their Kuechly. The problem is Kuechly had some of the best instincts the league has ever seen. Edmunds... doesn't. It would be something if he had shown improvement year over year but his career trajectory has been all over the place. If they want to pick up his 5th year option and see if the light goes on that's fine. I'm not banking on it though.

 

34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

My one caveat is that you have to be more patient with young players. Edmunds is just 22 still

 

Yeah I just don't know what skills he is going to develop with age. Even his physical skills I am starting to question if they are football traits or athlete traits. He's tall and long and fast. But he can't shed blocks or tackle particularly well or punish the ball carrier in space. I don't know how to describe my feelings on this exactly but it's weird watching someone that looks like the predator try to form tackle someone. Milano by necessity has to form tackle people and he does it pretty well. Edmunds shouldn't have to try that hard and even when he does he sometimes misses. I'm not saying I want an old school thumper out there, but he at least needs to put fear into his opponent. Right now the only thing about him that scares offenses is he might get his long arms in the way of the pass.

Edited January 26, 2021 by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know, McDermott and Beane thought he would be their Kuechly. The problem is Kuechly had some of the best instincts the league has ever seen. Edmunds... doesn't. It would be something if he had shown improvement year over year but his career trajectory has been all over the place. If they want to pick up his 5th year option and see if the light goes on that's fine. I'm not banking on it though.

I predict they fix the interior defensive line and Edmunds returns to form. IMO consternation over his play, similar to Lotulelei’s last season, stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of his role(s) in the defense.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I predict they fix the interior defensive line and Edmunds returns to form. IMO consternation over his play, similar to Lotulelei’s last season, stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of his role(s) in the defense.

 

I never had a problem with Lotulelei because he was just a role player doing what he was asked. From a 1-tech that's fine. Edmunds is the QB of the defense. It isn't enough to say "well he's filling his role." We need a difference maker there. He either needs to make game changing plays from time to time or he needs to be consistently good at the little things.