ESPN Around the Horn. Tony Riali calls out anti-Buffalo bias

[msw2112]

13 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I guess I don't watch the shows many of you do. For about the last 6 weeks I've heard Collinsworth gushing over Allen, Diggs, McDermott, Daboll, Frazier, the fans...., I haven't heard one credible football person be negative about the Bills. Picking our opponent to win isn't an insult or sign of disrespect, it's their guess as to who might win. It's just a guess. Many people picked the Bills to win, seriously, get some thicker skin already.

 

I largely agree with you and I don't watch those shows either.  My opinion is based on what I have read in this thread, and I did watch the clip embedded in this thread.  I agree that there's nothing wrong with anyone picking the Ravens prior to the game, but to discredit the Bills victory based on making excuses for the Ravens is lazy and weak analysis.  The Bills defense played a fantastic game and the Bills offense did enough to win against a very tough defense.  All that said, as long as WE enjoy the victory and go on to KC, the rest really doesn't matter.

[nucci]

Just now, klos63 said:

They need something to whine about. 

Apparently

[klos63]

1 hour ago, msw2112 said:

 

I largely agree with you and I don't watch those shows either.  My opinion is based on what I have read in this thread, and I did watch the clip embedded in this thread.  I agree that there's nothing wrong with anyone picking the Ravens prior to the game, but to discredit the Bills victory based on making excuses for the Ravens is lazy and weak analysis.  The Bills defense played a fantastic game and the Bills offense did enough to win against a very tough defense.  All that said, as long as WE enjoy the victory and go on to KC, the rest really doesn't matter.

If you can, watch the Ravens game again. Collinsworth threw lots of praise at the defense. Called out many players for big plays made. People hear what they want to hear and ignore what doesn't fit what they expect to hear. Bills have received a great deal of compliments all season long.

Edited January 19, 2021 by klos63

[BaaadThingsMan]

Eat a mute hahhahaha

[CincyBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

All I keep hearing about is Tuckers 2 missed FGs which is starting to bug me.

 

How about G.Davis dropped TD and 2 missed FGs by Bass. 

Bingo.  That Isola guy is a moron.  How can someone who gets paid to cover the NFL use the 2 missed FG's by Baltimore as an excuse while not mentioning the two missed FG's by the Bills from almost the same distance.

 

I've actually heard this crap multiple times from several different analysts. I get that we Bills fans can be thin skinned but all year we've been seeing this level of half a$$ed coverage.

 

I was listening to Gotfried today on Fox Sports radio and he had some clown on that was claiming that DaBold had dumbed the Bills offense down for Allen and they give him easy throws that are the equivalent of lay ups. Are you kidding me!  Did this tool even watch a Bills game?

 

Then this same fool goes on and on that the Ravens need to upgrade their WR's for Lamar. Why? So he can miss more wide open receivers? 

 

And if we lose Sunday these ignorant cretins will be all over the airwaves saying I told you so.  It's really astonishing how stupid & bush league so many of these NFL "experts" are.

 

 

[Buftex]

4 minutes ago, klos63 said:

If you can, watch the Ravens game again. Collinsworth was threw lots of praise at the defense. Called out many players for big plays made. People hear what they want to hear and ignore what doesn't fit what they expect to hear. Bills have received a great deal of compliments all season long.

Honestly, the "we don't get any respect", or "enough credit" thing is nearly annoying as what it is calling out. There may be a kernal of truth to it at times...but stay humble, as Mc Dermot preaches.  This incessant need to immediately analyze and quantify the quality of a victory or performance, or player...or to rank things historically or contemporarily is really a bad thing that is happening to sports. 

[US Egg]

Time to take Buffalo anti-bias to the streets.....

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Buftex said:

Honestly, the "we don't get any respect", or "enough credit" thing is nearly annoying as what it is calling out. There may be a kernal of truth to it at times...but stay humble, as Mc Dermot preaches.  This incessant need to immediately analyze and quantify the quality of a victory or performance, or player...or to rank things historically or contemporarily is really a bad thing that is happening to sports. 

 

For me it's not about respect but accuracy in reporting on the Bills.  I couldn't care less if these guys do or don't respect the Bills. What I do care about is that they describe what's happening correctly.  You can't call out the 2 missed Raven FG's without calling out the 2 missed Bills FG's.

 

And it grates to have a so called expert on a national spots radio program claim that Allen is a "turnover machine waiting to happen" after a season in which Allen has been very careful with the ball (only 16 TO's in 18 games). Even worse was this same expert claiming that DaBold has dumbed the offense down for Allen. How can anyone say that in the face of everything we've seen out of this offense this year.

 

And on another national radio program a guy expressed concern that if our offense didn't score more points against the Chiefs then we did against Baltimore we would be in trouble.  This genius then want on to say our offense was struggling.  I guess he based this on ONE GAME played in a wind tunnel.  It's beyond lazy.  Early in the year I cut these people some slack because you had 32 teams in the mix.  But last week we only had 8 teams playing 4 games. 

 

Is it expecting to much to ask these guys to do the bare minimum in research? You know like looking at how many points the Bills scored and how many yards gained over an entire season before claiming they have a problem with the offense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ponch]

1 hour ago, Real McNasty said:

All I keep hearing about is Tuckers 2 missed FGs which is starting to bug me.

 

How about G.Davis dropped TD and 2 missed FGs by Bass. 

If my math is right...2 missed field goals still equals ..uhhhh a Bills win... these people are clowns 🤡 

[nucci]

39 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Bingo.  That Isola guy is a moron.  How can someone who gets paid to cover the NFL use the 2 missed FG's by Baltimore as an excuse while not mentioning the two missed FG's by the Bills from almost the same distance.

 

I've actually heard this crap multiple times from several different analysts. I get that we Bills fans can be thin skinned but all year we've been seeing this level of half a$$ed coverage.

 

I was listening to Gotfried today on Fox Sports radio and he had some clown on that was claiming that DaBold had dumbed the Bills offense down for Allen and they give him easy throws that are the equivalent of lay ups. Are you kidding me!  Did this tool even watch a Bills game?

 

Then this same fool goes on and on that the Ravens need to upgrade their WR's for Lamar. Why? So he can miss more wide open receivers? 

 

And if we lose Sunday these ignorant cretins will be all over the airwaves saying I told you so.  It's really astonishing how stupid & bush league so many of these NFL "experts" are.

 

 

Why mention our missed FGs? We won...you don't talk about the mistakes from the winning team...

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, nucci said:

Why mention our missed FGs? We won...you don't talk about the mistakes from the winning team...

 

Reporting 101.  These guys are saying that the two missed Baltimore FG's was a key reason why they lost the game.  But when the other team also misses two FG's from almost the same spot on the field then it's stupid to attach any special significance to the two missed Ravens FG's.

 

Last year we beat TN in a game in which I believe they missed 3 FG's and we didn't miss any. For that game it was reasonable to bring up the Titans missed FG's as a reason for their loss.  For Saturday nights game it's excuse making which should be left to the fans not the national sports media.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Process]

1 hour ago, Real McNasty said:

All I keep hearing about is Tuckers 2 missed FGs which is starting to bug me.

 

How about G.Davis dropped TD and 2 missed FGs by Bass. 

The FGs thing is the best. 0% of people bringing up Tuckers misses also mention Bass missing two as well. It's hilarious really. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Eat a mute hahhahaha

I’m using that at work tomorrow 

[Yav]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They will bend the knee. And next year when our D improves and we upgrade our run game, we as a fanbase won't require their allegiance. 

Hell, I don’t require their allegiance now. 

[Unforgiven]

 Skippy Bayless is extra Lamar butthurt. 

[Solomon Grundy]

The Wizard of Odds, Harry Enten is a big Bills fan too. And his dog.

[Stank_Nasty]

36 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

 Skippy Bayless is extra Lamar butthurt. 

Saying Lamar woulda came back once he got the wind at his back in the 4th..... Geez, have some dignity, Skip.... Also argued for mayfield over Allen during a whole other 10 min segment later in the show. Good lord, man. 
 

I can’t stand Shannon sharpe but he’s 100% correct when he says when Lamar is doing well he gets all the credit and the offense apparently can’t be stopped but the minute he got shut down everyone is calling for the coaches and managements heads. That was a theme on every network today. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Who are they?  ZZZ list sports guys?

 

Christ, i knew ESPN was cutting its budget but my god they are bad 

out(house)-sourcing 

[Dukestreetking]

14 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Saying Lamar woulda came back once he got the wind at his back in the 4th.....

 

I'm w those who normally don't care about, or watch, these shows (not sure why I saw AtH today).

 

But this crap is ridiculous. Awful, lazy reporting as others allude.

 

Ref above quote, Isola said similar, but in even more bizarre fashion.

 

With literally the LJ concussion play rolling on screen, he said--I kid you not:

 

"Lamar looked like he was ready to take over the game...(sotto voce) well, after the 101 yard pick six."

 

WTF!!!!

[BearNorth]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

The Bills just don’t get the respect that they deserve.  Will a KC win do it?  50/50.  Not until they win the Super Bowl.  That’s when they will get their damn respect.

And only if they beat Brady in Tampa unfortunately.  Hope Rodgers brings his A game on Sunday.

 

[Doc Brown]

32 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Saying Lamar woulda came back once he got the wind at his back in the 4th..... Geez, have some dignity, Skip.... Also argued for mayfield over Allen during a whole other 10 min segment later in the show. Good lord, man. 
 

I can’t stand Shannon sharpe but he’s 100% correct when he says when Lamar is doing well he gets all the credit and the offense apparently can’t be stopped but the minute he got shut down everyone is calling for the coaches and managements heads. That was a theme on every network today. 

Ravens fans (and probably management) are grappling with this too before they give Lamar a big contract.  Can he improve with better WR's or in a more pass oriented system.....or is this the best version of him you're going to get in Roman's system.  Can you still develop him into a better passer?  I wouldn't want to be in management's shoes right now.

[Bronxbomber21]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Their acting like Bass didn't also miss 2 FG stupid 

[Stank_Nasty]

16 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

I'm w those who normally don't care about, or watch, these shows (not sure why I saw AtH today).

 

But this crap is ridiculous. Awful, lazy reporting as others allude.

 

Ref above quote, Isola said similar, but in even more bizarre fashion.

 

With literally the LJ concussion play rolling on screen, he said--I kid you not:

 

"Lamar looked like he was ready to take over the game...(sotto voce) well, after the 101 yard pick six."

 

WTF!!!!

Right! I try not to let it get to me too much and usually just chuckle at it but all I wanted to do today was get sat down in my Office with my coffee and listen to what all the morning shows had to say after last weeks predictions when they all decided the 13-3 team on a 7 game win streak was the underdog..... Literally every single show I turned to, other than GMFB, just tried explaining away the win and blaming the coaches and front office of the ravens for their style of play and the loss. Keep in mind this is the same team they said was unstoppable based on said style of play coming into this week. The real topic should be how big a blowout would it have been if our pass offense wasn’t dealing with the wind? The conditions were perfectly set up for a running squad and they got the beat down by 14. 
 

....Lesson learned. Just stick to GMFB. It’s always the most informed and even coverage there is. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[JTown]

3 hours ago, Coastie said:

I think the concept is the guests are normally sports writers from major sports cities. Riali usually rips them for being homers with many of their takes. Not the best show, I wish Riali had a better vehicle.

 

What does he drive?  A Pinto?

[Dukestreetking]

5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Right! I try not to let it get to me too much and usually just chuckle at it but all I wanted to do today was get sat down in my Office with my coffee and listen to what all the morning shows had to say after last weeks predictions when they all decided the 13-3 team on a 7 game win streak was the underdog..... Literally every single show I turned to, other than GMFB, just tried explaining away the win and blaming the coaches and front office of the ravens for their style of play and the loss. Keep in mind this is the same team they said was unstoppable based on said style of play coming into this week. 
 

....Lesson learned. Just stick to GMFB. It’s always the most informed and even coverage there is. 

 

And they have, ya know, She Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken.

[eball]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

They have looked uncharacteristically tight on offense both games and the defense gave up nearly 500 yards to the Colts.

 

After a slow start against the Colts they scored on how many consecutive drives?  And against Baltimore they had one 3-and-out and Allen moved them into scoring position four times in less than 25 minutes of possession time.

 

Indy and Baltimore are good teams with good defenses.

 

This is yet another of your attempts to discredit McDermott by saying they were “tight.”  It’s simply not true.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

After a slow start against the Colts they scored on how many consecutive drives?  And against Baltimore they had one 3-and-out and Allen moved them into scoring position four times in less than 25 minutes of possession time.

 

Indy and Baltimore are good teams with good defenses.

 

This is yet another of your attempts to discredit McDermott by saying they were “tight.”  It’s simply not true.

 

I'm not discrediting anything but if you as a fan NEED the national media to take note of you then it starts with your team having at least ONE playoff game where you silence the doubters by playing great.    The Bills haven't played anywhere close to their best game yet.   

 

Otherwise if you need hype to appease you then they gotta' get to a Super Bowl at least.    Very few fans or general ESPN sports media types can remember who lost in the past 2-3 conference championship games off the top of their head......some not even the teams that lost last year.   

 

But thanks for letting me know about the highlighted.........when I said that Indy and Baltimore were really good and could both possibly have made it to the NFCCG if they were in that bracket I wasn't aware that it was in part because their defenses were good.

[Doc]

59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Ravens fans (and probably management) are grappling with this too before they give Lamar a big contract.  Can he improve with better WR's or in a more pass oriented system.....or is this the best version of him you're going to get in Roman's system.  Can you still develop him into a better passer?  I wouldn't want to be in management's shoes right now.

 

The problem for them is better WRs aren't coming anytime before they need to make a decision on Lamar's contract.  The FA WR market is weak this off-season and the top guys aren't going there.  Meanwhile they've been poor at drafting them.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Magox said:

The Bills just don’t get the respect that they deserve.  Will a KC win do it?  50/50.  Not until they win the Super Bowl.  That’s when they will get their damn respect.

 

There are still some people here that don't give them the respect they deserve.  What do you expect.

[MJS]

What's with the crappy videos of people recording their TV? Have we not, as the human race, moved past that technologically?

[Scott7975]

I sometimes wonder if some of this goes back to our Superbowl era.  They literally did not want to see the Bills in the superbowl ever again.

 

[McMuffin]

I think it’s that the national media is more biased towards a) big market teams or b) teams with a national following or teams with a QB with star potential.  We have a star at QB but certain people in the national media associates anything coming out of Buffalo as inferior because they still have this false underlying narrative of Buffalo as a dying rustbelt city.  You can tell that many of them haven’t watched one game.  They probably just watch highlights on youtube.  It’s almost as if they are afraid to talk about us. They treat us like nameless grey faces.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The problem for them is better WRs aren't coming anytime before they need to make a decision on Lamar's contract.  The FA WR market is weak this off-season and the top guys aren't going there.  Meanwhile they've been poor at drafting them.

I could see them overspending for Smith Schuster or Marvin Jones but they need a true #1.  Do they break the bank for Robinson or give up too much in a trade for OBJ?  They almost have to in order to see if he's their qb for the next decade

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Idk if its anti bills bias or pro ravens/chiefs bias lol two weeks in a row were hearing 'well the ravens are going to win because they're the ravens' and 'the chiefs are going to win because they're the chiefs'  with nobody really digging too deep into the matchups. Could be the small market thing too as im sure the skip bayless' and Stephen a smiths of the world aren't watching too many bills games...when we've had decent weather games against good/average defenses we have absolutely crushed it but theyre gonna nitpick our last chiefs matchup and the Baltimore game last night and say we can't hang with the chiefs offense.  The chiefs get a free pass when they struggle because they are the chiefs lol

[zorro14]

I love how they also talk about Tuckers 2 missed field goals like they were the difference. We also had 2 missed field goals. If everyone makes the kicks they should we still win by 14

 

[PromoTheRobot]

11 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Their acting like Bass didn't also miss 2 FG stupid 

 

I wonder if these guys even watch Bills games. Some of the stupid things they say...

[H2o]

I also love how everyone keeps talking about Tucker's two missed kicks like they were the deciding factor, but make no mention of Bass' two missed kicks which evens the situation out. Media 🤡's

[Buffalo Boy]

15 hours ago, Success said:

He's spot on. ALL of the coverage I've seen is "well, about Lamar...."    No credit for the Bills.

 

Awesome

We are going to get a heaping dose of Mahomes this and Kelce that.

Let them all overlook us!!!

More fuel for our 🔥.

[Bronxbomber21]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Awesome

We are going to get a heaping dose of Mahomes this and Kelce that.

Let them all overlook us!!!

More fuel for our 🔥.

It's not hard to predict every week that it's the other team who lost the game the Bills didnt win it 

[buffalonian]

Tony Riali making us fellow Fordham Rams proud!