BITE ME Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mango said: If I am a HC looking at getting a second/last chance at a job I am running far far away from that Houston job. Why? The ownership obviously knows what they are doing. They have won the division 3 of the last 5 years. Honestly if Watson wanted Bieniemy and the owners want Frazier, the owner are obviously the intelligent ones. Watson seems like a little child pouting because he didn't get his way. Frazier is the face of integrity and class and he coaches defense, the area where they are in desperate need. Bieniemy has a past that suggests he is the opposite of Frazier. He also is an offensive coach. Not their weakness. Edited January 23, 2021 by BITE ME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: I hope Frazier waits for a better opportunity, every player that plays for the Texans walks away with a bad taste. One or two I get it, can't please everyone, all? The ownership has to be atrocious. At the same time he’s 61 years old and he’s waited a decade for a second opportunity. Time is running out so it’s not like he can be selective. But yeah if it’s a situation he feels he can’t make work, then he should stay away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I still think EB ends up there. Great. They can go 4-12 next year with the worst defense in the NFL, but they will score points. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 This might not be a popular opinion....but I am actually rooting for this McD can replace Frasier....2 third round picks in Bean's hands is solid gold 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) has Houston interviewed Bienemey (sp) yet? I feel like he'd be the best pick there. Frazier may be a defensive Dick LeBeau? If Frazier leaves, wonder who we get to replace him? Edited January 23, 2021 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Mango said: If I am a HC looking at getting a second/last chance at a job I am running far far away from that Houston job. This. It’s not just a “get the right HC and GM in place” sort of situation. Their current ownership and GM are floating hiring Josh effing McCown as their HC. Let somebody else be the guinea pig to right the ship. Just like Buffalo had years of terrible management it wasn’t necessarily just McD who got us hear. Whether fans want to admit it or not Buddy, Gailey, Whaley, and Marrone were all part of the journey of at least getting back to respectability. This is why I think its perfect for Frazier Whats the downside for Frazier? Looking at a worst case scenario: He is probably looking at retirement in the next 5 years or so. Take a head coaching job get a contract for 4 or 5 years for a guaranteed 15 to 20 million. If it is utter disaster and is fired still gets paid a nice retirement income maybe a year or 2 earlier than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Frazier is a good candidate because he commands respect from players. He is a very good leader who has experience as a player without the issues Bienemey has had. The key will be him (or any coach at this time of year) finding a good staff post AFC Championship or post Superbowl. He could gain points from Watson by asking him to join search for OC including interviews assuming NFLPA allows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 This may be last chance for Frazier to get a HC gig. I think the situation fits for him, some place like Chicago or Dallas were to open next year, dont think they would look hard at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 If this keeps Watson happy and in Houston then we offer Leslie as tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Fantastic....Diversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: has Houston interviewed Bienemey (sp) yet? I feel like he'd be the best pick there. Frazier may be a defensive Dick LeBeau? If Frazier leaves, wonder who we get to replace him? Steve Wilks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This might not be a popular opinion....but I am actually rooting for this McD can replace Frasier....2 third round picks in Bean's hands is solid gold I Agree that Frasier is probably the easiest of our staff to replace. It seems like the rest of our front office / coordinators will be around for another year at least. a good showing from our d tomorrow may go a long way for his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I never understood that concept. So if Frazier goes to the Texans, do they get draft picks as well because they hired a minority HC? So if you get a minority HC you get nada but 2 picks if you have them as coordinators and someone poaches them, seems unbalanced to me. It is because the owners refuted that they are racist and blamed their coaches for the racism. Basically said "we'd hire black guys more if there were more in the pipeline to hire but that is on our coaches to hire more for their staff so let's reward teams who do that and develop them." 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Frazier is a good candidate because he commands respect from players. He is a very good leader who has experience as a player without the issues Bienemey has had. The key will be him (or any coach at this time of year) finding a good staff post AFC Championship or post Superbowl. He could gain points from Watson by asking him to join search for OC including interviews assuming NFLPA allows it. I wonder if that is where the McCown story comes in. "Leslie we want you as Head Coach but we really want you to hire Josh as OC to work with Deshaun." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This might not be a popular opinion....but I am actually rooting for this McD can replace Frasier....2 third round picks in Bean's hands is solid gold Solid gold or two more average running backs? I am actually interested the direction Sean would go if Leslie leaves. I don't buy that he is that easy to replace. There are not that many Jim Johnson guys left working in the NFL. Maybe Steve Wilkes comes in having worked with Sean in Carolina and the succeeded him as DC? But Wilkes has learnt the McDermott defense. The great asset Frazier has is he knows the philosophical origins of this scheme as well as Sean does. I'd be sorry to lose him and think he is tough to replace but I will be pleased for him to get a shot. He is a good guy who has done a great job here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is because the owners refuted that they are racist and blamed their coaches for the racism. Basically said "we'd hire black guys more if there were more in the pipeline to hire but that is on our coaches to hire more for their staff so let's reward teams who do that and develop them." I wonder if that is where the McCown story comes in. "Leslie we want you as Head Coach but we really want you to hire Josh as OC to work with Deshaun." Well, being forced to hire a particular coordinator certainly didn't work for Adam Gase. I would hope that Frazier isn't desperate enough that he is willing a guy with zero experience and someone that Frazier has never worked with as his OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Mailman said: Steve Wilks? that’s a good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This might not be a popular opinion....but I am actually rooting for this McD can replace Frasier....2 third round picks in Bean's hands is solid gold I think we have an easier time replacing Frazier since so many offensive coordinator are being hired and the two picks are useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Solid gold or two more average running backs? I am actually interested the direction Sean would go if Leslie leaves. I don't buy that he is that easy to replace. There are not that many Jim Johnson guys left working in the NFL. Maybe Steve Wilkes comes in having worked with Sean in Carolina and the succeeded him as DC? But Wilkes has learnt the McDermott defense. The great asset Frazier has is he knows the philosophical origins of this scheme as well as Sean does. I'd be sorry to lose him and think he is tough to replace but I will be pleased for him to get a shot. He is a good guy who has done a great job here. You know, I love this particular discussion. I believe that fans dislike Frazier because they want more blitzing, more aggression. Frazier seems like a somewhat passive play-caller. Runs a reactive scheme. But we're probably under-selling Frazier's gifts as a teacher, as a mentor, and as a steady, respectable presence (crazy career pedigree and a really solid dude), and most of all, as the leader of a defense that excels against the pass. In 2021, would you rather have a defense that is built from the back-end forward, or from the front-end back? What's more important: to be strong against the pass or to be strong against the run? That's reductive, but it's also an important philosophical question. I think I want great pass defense first and foremost. Especially if we're going to have a high-scoring offense to help make opposing teams one-dimensional. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 12:08 PM, Logic said: I like Frazier. I also like third round draft picks 🤔 I think he would do well as a head coach. McD is ready to groom a new DC. I will take the draft picks all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Rumour has it Frazier is the 2nd choice behind Josh McCown https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30760674/houston-texans-interview-qb-josh-mccown-head-coach-opening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Rumour has it Frazier is the 2nd choice behind Josh McCown https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30760674/houston-texans-interview-qb-josh-mccown-head-coach-opening The link you've provided in no way supports any ranking of the candidates. So of course I'm curious who's telling us McCown is #1 and Frazier is #2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 3:08 PM, Logic said: I like Frazier. I also like third round draft picks 🤔 I don’t know if we would have a trade, but we would get the comp pick. I thought he has been a good DC, but McD can groom the next guy in ascension. Noggin, you peaked my interest so I read it and agree. Besides the article discusses Caldwell as well. I seriously can’t believe they’re that dysfunctional to hire a HC who has almost no coaching experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 3:08 PM, Logic said: I like Frazier. I also like third round draft picks 🤔 Im almost embarrassed I thought the same thing. I really do like him as our DC, but McD can groom the next one, and the pick in a lean cap year would really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 13 hours ago, boco357 said: This may be last chance for Frazier to get a HC gig. I think the situation fits for him, some place like Chicago or Dallas were to open next year, dont think they would look hard at him. The Bears might do, as he played there, and as a member of a SB winning team, so at the least a 'history' box is checked, and fans are more likely to give him a little time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CA OC Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: The link you've provided in no way supports any ranking of the candidates. So of course I'm curious who's telling us McCown is #1 and Frazier is #2? I think you missed the sarcasm. I don't believe the poster was serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Seems like this is a real possibility. Maybe the losing coach this week is the new head coach of the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: I don’t know if we would have a trade, but we would get the comp pick. I thought he has been a good DC, but McD can groom the next guy in ascension. Noggin, you peaked my interest so I read it and agree. Besides the article discusses Caldwell as well. I seriously can’t believe they’re that dysfunctional to hire a HC who has almost no coaching experience. Do people really think McDermott "groomed" the 61 year old Frazier? I think McDermott will try to hire a replacement who is similarly qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Do people really think McDermott "groomed" the 61 year old Frazier? I think McDermott will try to hire a replacement who is similarly qualified. Chaos, that’s twisting my words. Did I say McD groomed Frazier or did I say inferred he hired a good DC as he hired a good OC, and he has developed good coaches overall. Frazier has a nice resume his whole career and deserves to be seriously considered for a HC position. MOVING FORWARD, McD who was developed by the great Jimmy Johnson (a defensive guru from Philly) is more than capable of developing the next DC especially if he is coming up internally, or even an up and comer elsewhere. Does anyone think McD doesn’t already with Beane have a succession plan for both of their coordinators, and their front office staff as it’s likely more guys will get poached (and they should). That is a sign of a great organization. Chaos, c’mon, if that was you’re interpretation, you didn’t get the point. That’s silly to infer I said he developed Frazier. Really silly. Anyway, Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Do people really think McDermott "groomed" the 61 year old Frazier? I think McDermott will try to hire a replacement who is similarly qualified. Frazier more likely groomed McDermott in people skills. He is better with press and the defense treat him with respect he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Im almost embarrassed I thought the same thing. I really do like him as our DC, but McD can groom the next one, and the pick in a lean cap year would really help. The way I look at it- if the league ain’t embarrassed how awkward minority compensation looks, than I ain’t embarrassed...now, pass me some of those draft picks! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Frazier more likely groomed McDermott in people skills. He is better with press and the defense treat him with respect he deserves. Neither groomed the other. McDermott coached in a Super Bowl. Frazier has won Super Bowls as a player and as coach. They just compliment each other and both are high integrity guys. Personally I think Frazier is a lock to be the head coach of the Texans. He will have to deal with a quarterback that acts like a baby, but perhaps Watson will grow up with an adult like Frazier teaching him how a leader acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 my money's on Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I would be better Frazier as well. Bienemy's got some skeletons in the closet and what that organization needs is a character guy like Frazier. Plus they have a franchise QB and need help with the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Bienamy and Frazier both expected to get second interviews this week per Adam Schefter https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/bills/bieniemy-frazier-to-have-interview-agin-with-texans-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Out of Frazier or Daboll I would rather it be Frazier if one had to leave. He does a fantastic job but McDermott can pitch in on that side of the ball when needed for the new DC. I would much rather have continuity but if one HAS to get hired that is the one I would choose... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Out of Frazier or Daboll I would rather it be Frazier if one had to leave. He does a fantastic job but McDermott can pitch in on that side of the ball when needed for the new DC. I would much rather have continuity but if one HAS to get hired that is the one I would choose... Same here. By no means do I want to lose Frazier. But if I had to choose either him or Daboll, I’d choose Frazier. McDermott made his name as a defensive coordinator, and I think we have some really good in house candidates to be DC already - like Eric Washington and John Butler. If Frazier is hired I just hope he doesn’t raid the Bills coaching staff to fill his. He has tons of connections around the NFL though. It’s not like he needs to hire Bills coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: Same here. By no means do I want to lose Frazier. But if I had to choose either him or Daboll, I’d choose Frazier. McDermott made his name as a defensive coordinator, and I think we have some really good in house candidates to be DC already - like Eric Washington and John Butler. If Frazier is hired I just hope he doesn’t raid the Bills coaching staff to fill his. He has tons of connections around the NFL though. It’s not like he needs to hire Bills coaches. Bills don't have to allow anyone to go for a non head coaching position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Bills don't have to allow anyone to go for a non head coaching position. Actually they do now, if it's any promotion. The NFL changed that rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Doc said: Actually they do now, if it's any promotion. The NFL changed that rule. Uggh...that kind of sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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