Beast Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I was wondering that myself. Herbert is way ahead of Allen's first year. Pretty much every starting QB in the NFL had a better rookie season than Allen did.....so what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: do you honestly think Josh had nearly the same supporting cast his first year? Your point was he doesn’t have JA’s ceiling. He clearly had good receivers, a bad line, and a bad game day coach. It’s likely he does have JA’s ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, QLBillsFan said: Your point was he doesn’t have JA’s ceiling. He clearly had good receivers, a bad line, and a bad game day coach. It’s likely he does have JA’s ceiling. Nobody has Allen's ceiling is the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Beast said: Pretty much every starting QB in the NFL had a better rookie season than Allen did.....so what's your point? My point is that its impossible to predict Herbert's ceiling at this point. It may be higher, it may be lower. Does that clear things up ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: My point is that its impossible to predict Herbert's ceiling at this point. It may be higher, it may be lower. Does that clear things up ? It may be higher than what? Allen's? Maybe...... Though I just don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, ganesh said: The Bills can block requests to all the other coaches unless McDermott feels it is better to let him go. Not for coordinator jobs. Can't block those. He'll have OC and DC positions to fill. Bills have good candidates for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Best move for Daboll, the Chargers and for Herbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Herbert is great, but the Chargers defense is the problem. Daboll gets his chance to run the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, BearNorth said: Charley Weis is available, doubt he would leave Florida for the 716, fun to listen to every morning. If you like Tommy stories......pass thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Distraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My biggest question is how many coaches leave with him. Could be a few of them. That would be interesting. We'll find out who's all in on the McDermott system, and who has had enough. Edited January 16, 2021 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The only downside of going to the Chargers is you have to face Mahomes and Andy Reid twice a year. That of course could actually end up benefitting the Bills. If those two teams can split their head to heads most year it could help the Bills lock up the #1 seed in future years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I want to see Daboll not botch a playoff game before I get too upset about him leaving. He's 0/2 so far. Our offense has been unbelievable this year obviously, but he's getting way too much credit for Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: That would be interesting. We'll find out who's all in on the McDermott system, and who has had enough. I wouldn't say someone wanting to follow Daboll to sunny LA means they have had enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, stevewin said: Continuity for the offense is so huge. The worst thing they could do IMO is bring in someone with a new system. Here's your continuity: Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Cole Beasley, Gabe Davis. That's the core of the offense. Any OC with experience will be smart enough to let the offense run on its own. Hiring an internal candidate for the sake of continuity is not smart when there are plenty of more qualified candidates. Hey Doug Pederson, want to get your coaching career back on track? Here's a Super Bowl caliber offense for you. Have fun. I don't understand why fans are ready to hand this offense to someone with no experience calling plays. We have a 2 year Super Bowl window before Allen has a huge cap hit. No time for Dorsey to figure out how to call plays. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Good for Dabs! Could you ask for a better core of players for your first go as HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Well if this true, then tonight's game is HUGE for Daboll and his play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I tend to agree. I can make a case for Chad Hall (because if we don't we lose him sooner rather than later) but the question should be what would Josh be most comfortable with? And then do that. For all but 1. We can't now block a coordinator interview. So say we hire Dorsey as OC and Daboll asks to speak to Hall as his OC we can't block that. I'm 99% sure a team can block ANY coach that isn't attempting to be a head coach if he is under contact. However it is usually allowed by the original team (especially if it is a perceived advancement) so that the team doesn't get that reputation as a career killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, aceman_16 said: I'm 99% sure a team can block ANY coach that isn't attempting to be a head coach if he is under contact. However it is usually allowed by the original team (especially if it is a perceived advancement) so that the team doesn't get that reputation as a career killer. Nope. That rule changed last summer. You can't block position coach to coordinator promotions now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nope. That rule changed last summer. You can't block position coach to coordinator promotions now. Okay....I haven't heard that but I will defer to what you said. Thanks for the info Ps found a link thanks! https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/nfl-changes-rules Edited January 16, 2021 by aceman_16 link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast said: It may be higher than what? Allen's? Maybe...... Though I just don't see it. Herbert is going to be a huge stud in this league for a LONG time to come. Exactly how huge remains to be seen, but if Josh ended his career tomorrow, I'd move heaven and earth to get Herbert instead. Even if that would be impossible. I'd try. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ken Dorsey come on down Maybe Daboll hires him as his OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, fergie's ire said: I'd think the Chargers would be a bit nervous about hiring another Bills OC. the Chargers gm knows him outside of buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Limeaid said: IMO Coach Diabolical's offense is so complicated and he adjusts offense game plan so much that it will be difficult to replace him in house or out with same system. He also does double fake game plans very well where defenses have seen it and know how to defend it but it plays out differently fooling them. Daboll also had amany years training in the P*ts' Erhardt-Perkins offensive system he adapted. Who will be available with experience in that system? Is our offense really complicated? Beasley and Diggs run very vanilla patterns, just very well. Our line gives Allen a lot of time to throw. We've run a couple option passes, other than that, pretty normal stuff. We just do it very well. I think our offense is fairly simple, mostly shorter, high percentage passes that keep us out of 3rd and long. We have many weapons and a great qb. I'm for finding the best OC available, I'm leery of promoting someone who's never called games before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 As I read it, only HC's can be blocked, everyone else is fair game. Even Coordinators can't be blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Is our offense really complicated? Beasley and Diggs run very vanilla patterns, just very well. Our line gives Allen a lot of time to throw. We've run a couple option passes, other than that, pretty normal stuff. We just do it very well. I think our offense is fairly simple, mostly shorter, high percentage passes that keep us out of 3rd and long. We have many weapons and a great qb. I'm for finding the best OC available, I'm leery of promoting someone who's never called games before. Its complex. Remember what John Brown stated when he got to Buffalo, the most complex offensive scheme I've been in. Daboll runs the New England playbook only calling far more passes than NE (Josh McDaniel's)does. Josh Allen grew into this scheme in Buffalo because Daboll has called pass plays like he has a veteran QB under center from the start. He called plays that Nathan Peterman couldn't throw. He called the most deep passing plays Josh's first season with perhaps the very worst offensive line the last decade. Daboll has developed into being a top coordinator just as Josh Allen has grown into a top franchise QB. It is somewhat easier to game plan and call plays when you have one of the top 3 QB's in the league this season. Before Daboll moved upstairs to call plays he was on the sidelines sometimes yelling at Allen. Being a HC is not just game day managing, its being a leader of men while running the entire coaching staff. We will see if he is up to that. On another note, I hope he game plans / call plays better than he did for the Colts game...or has he already been checked out? If I'm McD I'd keep an eye on what's going on in the first half and if checked out...let Allen call his own plays like Kelly used to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Its complex. Remember what John Brown stated when he got to Buffalo, the most complex offensive scheme I've been in. Daboll runs the New England playbook only calling far more passes than NE (Josh McDaniel's)does. Josh Allen grew into this scheme in Buffalo because Daboll has called pass plays like he has a veteran QB under center from the start. He called plays that Nathan Peterman couldn't throw. He called the most deep passing plays Josh's first season with perhaps the very worst offensive line the last decade. Daboll has developed into being a top coordinator just as Josh Allen has grown into a top franchise QB. It is somewhat easier to game plan and call plays when you have one of the top 3 QB's in the league this season. Before Daboll moved upstairs to call plays he was on the sidelines sometimes yelling at Allen. Being a HC is not just game day managing, its being a leader of men while running the entire coaching staff. We will see if he is up to that. On another note, I hope he game plans / call plays better than he did for the Colts game...or has he already been checked out? If I'm McD I'd keep an eye on what's going on in the first half and if checked out...let Allen call his own plays like Kelly used to do. Even though Beasley contributed, I think his injury, along with McKenzie's ankle affected the play calling. Those couple short yardage plays that we gave to Moss likely could have been passes to Beasley or end around to McKenzie. I think much of the negative that happened against the Colts was about field position, and the Colts are really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, klos63 said: Is our offense really complicated? Beasley and Diggs run very vanilla patterns, just very well. Our line gives Allen a lot of time to throw. We've run a couple option passes, other than that, pretty normal stuff. We just do it very well. I think our offense is fairly simple, mostly shorter, high percentage passes that keep us out of 3rd and long. We have many weapons and a great qb. I'm for finding the best OC available, I'm leery of promoting someone who's never called games before. Yes it is that complicated. Watch some of the breakdowns of the games and you will see what I saw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes it is that complicated. Watch some of the breakdowns of the games and you will see what I saw. It's pretty funny that some people think Daboll runs a "simple" offense. Cripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes it is that complicated. Watch some of the breakdowns of the games and you will see what I saw. I hear you, and I won't say I'm an expert, but is it that complicated? Is it something any qualified OC could develop with the type of personnel that the Bills have? I like Daboll and think he's done a great job, I just think that there shouldn't be much to worry about in replacing him outside the organization. This is a top job that the best OC's would love to have. The Bills will have their pick of the litter, hire the best guy. If they think it's Dorsey, cool, if outside the org, I'm good with that as well. 1 minute ago, Beast said: It's pretty funny that some people think Daboll runs a "simple" offense. Cripes. Maybe simple is the wrong word, but is it so unique that no other OC could adapt to this personnel and have similar success? And with a running game perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 My bet is Dorsey gets OC, they bring in a senior offensive assistant with experience in EP, Chad Hall gets a nice raise for being awesome at his job, and Davis Webb is the QB coach next year. Pure speculation, but who doesn't like to speculate now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) I was listening to siriusxm nfl radio an hour or so ago. Pat Kirwan said everyone knows Dabol has been hired by the chargers, just waiting for the farce of the NFL rules of not allowing until elimination to make it official. Also said Dabol has his staff in place. Edit: I guess that Pat Kirwan's information was no more reliable than Adam Shefter's. I'm sad for Dabol as I think the Chargers would be an excellent opportunity but happy for Josh and the Bills. Edited January 18, 2021 by CA OC Bills Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 It’s funny how many people wanted him fired after last season. This is the first year of his career he’s ever had an offense like this. Personally I don’t care who the chargers hire as long as it’s not Jordan Palmer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s funny how many people wanted him fired after last season. This is the first year of his career he’s ever had an offense like this. Personally I don’t care who the chargers hire as long as it’s not Jordan Palmer. Last season Daboll's / Buffalo Bills offense was ranked 23rd in points, 24th in yards. So, it's easy to see why some fans weren't happy with him. My take is I give Josh Allen more credit for his / Bills offense meteoric rise this season. As for his development I also credit Josh himself along with Jordan Palmer, Ken Dorsey over Daboll. Though I do admit that Daboll has called some really good games this season. Plus, the offense did make proper adjustments to the line to keep Allen clean against many teams this season. Is the latter from RT Williams (and CO)who has graded as the Bills best linemen. I simply don't see Allen pulling a Carson Wentz after Daboll is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: I was listening to siriusxm nfl radio an hour or so ago. Pat Kirwan said everyone knows Dabol has been hired by the chargers, just waiting for the farce of the NFL rules of not allowing until elimination to make it official. Also said Dabol has his staff in place. Why is it a farce? Id be pretty pissed if he was allowed to be officially hired now. Think of the conflict of interest that would create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30722170/sources-buffalo-bills-oc-brian-daboll-emerges-favorite-land-los-angeles-chargers-head-coaching-job?platform=amp#click=https://t.co/egmjHNrWvU Would hate to see him go, but if that is what he really wants would have to wish him luck. He helped develop Allen and this offense so I am pretty thankful. He would be landing in a good situation, a team with a lot of talent and with Herbert who looks like a very talented young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Herbert is going to be a huge stud in this league for a LONG time to come. Exactly how huge remains to be seen, but if Josh ended his career tomorrow, I'd move heaven and earth to get Herbert instead. Even if that would be impossible. I'd try. Herbert’s has weapons that most rookie QBs dream of. Let’s pump the breaks a little before we start crowning him as the next Joe Montainya. 27 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: Why is it a farce? Id be pretty pissed if he was allowed to be officially hired now. Think of the conflict of interest that would create. Agree Edited January 16, 2021 by Weatherman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: I was listening to siriusxm nfl radio an hour or so ago. Pat Kirwan said everyone knows Dabol has been hired by the chargers, just waiting for the farce of the NFL rules of not allowing until elimination to make it official. Also said Dabol has his staff in place. Everyone also knew that Josh McDaniels was going to be the next Colts HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 9 hours ago, fergie's ire said: I'd think the Chargers would be a bit nervous about hiring another Bills OC. One could argue that Butler and A J Smith helped turn around and lay the foundation for what was a very competitive Chargers franchise for years. They have had some historical success stories raiding the Bills FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bferra13 said: Why is it a farce? Id be pretty pissed if he was allowed to be officially hired now. Think of the conflict of interest that would create. I agree, I'd be po'ed too. Was just quoting Kirwan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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