PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Interesting read and one that does not bode well for a team I thought was on it's way up. Tua's "golden child" treatment didn't sit well with some Dolphins players. Edited January 13, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 5 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? 6 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Paywall...any specific quotes you can post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? I would highly doubt that. Josh was clearly the best QB on the team, Tua is not. Josh worked incredibly hard and was a natural leader... it seems as though Tua is not. Also, the coaches trusted Josh to throw the ball more than 10 yards down field. Edited January 13, 2021 by warrior9 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 it's shocking that a rookie qb isn't full developed after one season. 5 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, teef said: it's shocking that a rookie qb isn't full developed after one season. It's also surprising that a rookie QB says the NFL is "easier than expected" after one game where he wasn't that good and got carried by the rest of the team. That quote struck me when I read it. 12 7 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about NP after Josh's first season? For your consideration. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, teef said: it's shocking that a rookie qb isn't full developed after one season. The notion that they could insert him as a starter in his rookie season, probably before he was ready, and then move on from him after they almost went to the playoffs 2 years ahead of schedule is ridiculous. Obviously he looked limited at times but if Flores had just kept him behind Fitz on the bench this conversation wouldn't be happening. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? Maybe but everyone saw that Allen had elite talent and traits. What elite traits does Tua have? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Paywall...any specific quotes you can post? And that caught the attention of at least three players within the team because they have told the Herald in recent days they didn’t see enough from Tagovailoa in 2020 to promise him, well, anything for next season. “I understand what they said,” one player said. “But I don’t understand why.” But the concerning thing to the players who spoke to the Herald is they are not convinced Tagovailoa is going to be great in the future. They said they were unimpressed by Tagovailoa during training camp to the point they thought he wouldn’t be ready to play in 2020. They said they were “caught totally off guard,” as one put it, when Tagovailoa was named the starter the seventh game of the season. And another said that before the season finale when players were informed by Flores that Ryan Fitzpatrick would not be available against the Buffalo Bills, he was disappointed because he believes Fitzpatrick was better than Tagovailoa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Maybe but everyone saw that Allen had elite talent and traits. What elite traits does Tua have? I think this is the important point. Josh showed elite skills (arm, mobility, leadership), while Tua hasn't showed any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Juicy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Maybe but everyone saw that Allen had elite talent and traits. What elite traits does Tua have? Hype. 3 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 People thought Tua would be special because he was the first good Bama QB. Now Mac Jones did the same thing this year probably even better. I would be horrified if I were a fins fan. Everyday it looks more like Tua wont be elite and will need an incredible team around him to be effective. Not what you want from a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The guy slides to soon and throws to late 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Maybe but everyone saw that Allen had elite talent and traits. What elite traits does Tua have? he’s accurate and gets the ball out quick I still think it’s crazy to judge him off this past season. Coming off a major injury + no preseason it was always gonna be rough for him 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Tua is going up against Fitz and we all know Fitz is a great guy and a team player not to mention pretty smart so it will be a up hill climb for Tua to win the other team mates over . Fitz has shown (despite his INT's) that he is a gamer when ever he steps on the field and all the players around him rally when he plays it's almost like the situation the Bills had with Flutie & Johnson. Bills players rallied behind Flutie but Ralph was pulling the money out of his wallet so he wanted his new shiny QB to be on the field causing a lot of confusion which we all know how that worked out . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I'm not surprised by this at all. Guy was trikes me as smart, which is valuable, and accurate, also valuable. Beyond that, I couldn't get too excited about him. Not at all a good sign that guys on the team don't see enough promise to keep their mouths shut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Penfield45 said: he’s accurate and gets the ball out quick I still think it’s crazy to judge him off this past season. Coming off a major injury + no preseason it was always gonna be rough for him Is he really that accurate? I saw some throws that didn't look too accurate when we played them last week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Big Turk said: Is he really that accurate? I saw some throws that didn't look too accurate when we played them last week Yes. He is accurate when the receiver is wide open like they were in Alabama 😛 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Flores mishandled the QB situation almost as bad as the Eagles. I don't understand the timing of Fitz being benched and Tua becoming the starter. Compared to Allen's rookie year, Tua displayed no moments where he flashed and I felt he was going to be good or great. He is a JAG right now imo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 He flashed nothing above being a game manager. and his teammates watched the better QB be benched for sake of development, even though it hindered their season. of course he isn’t popular in the locker room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 He isn't a leader... Fitz is more a leader than him. Even Fitz on the sidelines is more a leader. TBH it hurts Tua knowing the guy behind him is better at all things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? Not a comparable situation. Tua, along with Joe Burrow, was considered to ready to start - perhaps the most pro ready. Justin Herbert was considered more of a project QB that would need time to grow. Allen was thought of to be a low-floor/high ceiling type of project QB. Tua was never considered a QB project as was thought of to have the highest ceiling of any QB but maybe the lowest floor. Most rookie QB’s have up and down years, but the good one show some flashes of greatness from time to time (Herbert, Burrow, Baker, Lamar, Josh, Murray). We’ve seen a few solid games from Tua but no where near on the level of the other top QB’s over the past two year. Miami won on their defense and special teams - and not with QB play. I don’t buy the narrative that Chan didn’t trust him. I just think he’s pretty limited with what he can do right now and he called plays accordingly. I do think Tua can get better but IMO I see him as more of game manager than a franchise QB. You can win with a game manager, but as we know, there is a ceiling with how high you can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? allen has seemingly been a leader and loved in the locker room since year 1. You think his teammates didn’t love him trucking people and laying it all out? Tua (tuna?!) slides in must win games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Crayola64 said: He flashed nothing above being a game manager. and his teammates watched the better QB be benched for sake of development, even though it hindered their season. of course he isn’t popular in the locker room. That’s the thing, he is very popular in the locker room. Players love him because he’s a hard worker and a good person. They just aren’t seeing reasons on the field why he started over Fitzpatrick and question how high his potential really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Flores mishandled the QB situation almost as bad as the Eagles. I don't understand the timing of Fitz being benched and Tua becoming the starter. Compared to Allen's rookie year, Tua displayed no moments where he flashed and I felt he was going to be good or great. He is a JAG right now imo That decision likely flushed their playoff chances. It's probably why players are talking to the papers. That "NFL is easy" quote was a red flare to me. It's disrespectful, especially after that game. Edited January 13, 2021 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Flores mishandled the QB situation almost as bad as the Eagles. I don't understand the timing of Fitz being benched and Tua becoming the starter. Compared to Allen's rookie year, Tua displayed no moments where he flashed and I felt he was going to be good or great. He is a JAG right now imo There’s speculation that ownership could’ve influenced the decision. I don’t know... I always felt that Fitzpatrick, even with his ups abs downs, was the better choice if playoffs were a priority. If you want to look to the future, you start Tua. Put him in real game situations and use the experience to build toward next season. Tua becomes priority #1. Playoffs become priority #2. I think Flores tried to both, and the process really ended doing neither. The decision to pull Tua for Fitz in key moments was always telling for me and the decision to go back to Tua after was just bizarre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That decision likely flushed their playoff chances. It's probably why players are taking to the papers. That "NFL is easy" quote was a red flare to me. It's disrespectful, especially after that game. Sounds like Flores has to mend some fences. Most QBs improve year 2. I'm curious to see how much Tua improves next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Maybe but everyone saw that Allen had elite talent and traits. What elite traits does Tua have? Elite Dump off Ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Uh oh, echoes of Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. is Ryan Fitzpatrick's last gift to Buffalo ***** over the Dolphins a la Flutie? Edited January 13, 2021 by Captain Caveman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's also surprising that a rookie QB says the NFL is "easier than expected" after one game where he wasn't that good and got carried by the rest of the team. That quote struck me when I read it. Doesn't sound "humble" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I think with Tua's suspect hip, the skeptics figure he'll get the same thing Juggernaut did to Deadpool. 😳 *😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? Even in his rookie year, Josh was not 5’10”, with a noodle arm, so no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, Doc said: Not surprising. But I wonder if anyone had the same thoughts about Josh after his first season? Did Josh say idiotic things like he expected the NFL to be harder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Interesting read and one that does not bode well for a team I thought was on it's way up. Tua's "golden child" treatment didn't sit well with some Dolphins players. My favorite part of the article is the player who’s gripping about the Dolphins having to compete with Josh Allen for the next ten years, and their inability to do so with Tua. Many fan comments are in a similar vein.😀 Edited January 13, 2021 by mannc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's also surprising that a rookie QB says the NFL is "easier than expected" after one game where he wasn't that good and got carried by the rest of the team. That quote struck me when I read it. very true. it was a "rookie" mistake with that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Hate to say it, but the Dolphins have handled the Tua situation perfectly: They didn't start Tua in the majority of games so they can claim plausible deniability with his projected ceiling They obviously came to the conclusion about how good he was when they listed him as "injured" instead of starting Fitz due to performance Fitz was in on the scam because he never bitched and moaned on social media before much less cried in interviews The final result is Miami can now trade Tua for a more valuable commodity with minimal compensation because they can be "talked into" moving off of Tua. It was their plan all along. Tip of the cap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I never believed the decision to start Tua and bench Fitz was well-received by that roster nor that it came from the HC. With Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow playing well, I'm confident ownership and/or the GM wanted their guy on the field as well. Still, Tua had 3 mediocre to bad games against Denver, then KC and finally Buffalo after their bye week. Missing the playoffs by 1 game combined with the decision to start him probably left a bad taste in some players on that roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: he’s accurate and gets the ball out quick I still think it’s crazy to judge him off this past season. Coming off a major injury + no preseason it was always gonna be rough for him He's accurate, has a quick release and is pretty poised even when things are going badly.... maybe less so in the Bills game but in other games he hasn't got rattled. And I agree it is crazy to want to close the book on him. But the concern about a lack of elite traits is absolutely justified based on what we have seen at this stage. The other factor in this Dolphins leak is that Fitz is always a beloved teammate. It was the reason Buddy Nix felt the Bills couldn't keep him here behind a rookie in 2013 because the players in the locker room wouldn't throw their weight behind the kid (even if he had been good) while Fitz was around. Same happened in Tampa where Fitz split the locker room, not intentionally, just by being a great guy who teammates naturally gravitate towards. If, as they claim, the Dolphins are truly all in on Tua that doesn't just require a scheme tweak, and some more pieces around him that suit his style of play but it also requires them to let Fitz walk. Otherwise there will always be "Fitz guys" in that locker room. Hell the likes if Fred Jackson and Eric Wood are still Fitz guys now.... 8 years after they stopped playing with him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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