Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Adams feels like the only lock. Diggs competition will be Tyreek Hill, Metcalf and Hopkins. Tyreek Hill may have the inside track for the other spot. Hopkins and Diggs numbers are very similar. Nearly identical. It feels like Diggs has the best storyline and is being credited a lot for Allen's breakout year by the media. That may be enough for him to take it over guys like Hill and Metcalf who will have far more TD's. On a side note, who was our last first team all-pro? I know Mario Williams was at least first or second team. I want to say first team one year but not positive. If it is before him, maybe Moorman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Tre white last year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 If you go based off of statistics, Diggs has the advantage over Adams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Whkfc said: Tre white last year LOL. How could I not remember! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) In league history 9 players have combined to reach 120+ receptions 13 times. Only once out of those 13 occurrences has it not resulted in a first team all pro selection for that player. Chris Carter in 1995. Unless Diggs is inactive for the Miami game he should be a lock to reach 120 receptions. And that 1995 season was crazy. Maybe the greatest single season ever for WR's combined. Chris Carter: 122 receptions 1,371 yards 17 TD's Issac Bruce: 119 receptions 1,781 yards 13 TD's And neither was first team All-Pro. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1995/receiving.htm 16 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: If you go based off of statistics, Diggs has the advantage over Adams. Adams has missed two games. Diggs has the advantage in receptions and yardage totals. But not averages. And he's way behind in TD's. That's why I think Adams is the first lock. Edited December 22, 2020 by Sammy Watkins' Rib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: If you go based off of statistics, Diggs has the advantage over Adams. Absolutely not. Adams missed 2 games almost triples Diggs TD....he’s behind in reception and yards.. Adams averages 5 more yards per game. He has almost 200 more YAC. Diggs has been amazing, but adams has been the best Wr in football this season. the other spot is a tossup between Diggs, DHop and Tyreek imo. Metcalf coming up next Diggs wins over DHop imo because his team is better. Hill and Diggs, it just depends what you value more. Catches or TDs. Hill triple Diggs’ TDs while Diggs has almost 30 more receptions and is leading the league in targets, 18 more than Tyreek. Tyreek doesn’t even lead his TEAM in targets tough call. Seems to me like there should be 3 first team All pro WRs nowadays conserving most teams employ at least 3 wrs most of the time. if I were an unbiased voter and was looking at stats: Adams gets my first vote, Hill 2nd, Diggs 3rd. as a Bills fan: Diggs, then Beasley then adams 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I think Diggs will get the nod. The storyline is what courts voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 His numbers are too good not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1st Team - Adams & Hill... TD's win games and these two live in the end zone. 2nd Team - Diggs & Hopkins ... Next Best, catch a lot passes and get a lot of yards and 1st downs 3rd Team - Metcalf & Kupp or a dozen other guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: 1st Team - Adams & Hill... TD's win games and these two live in the end zone. 2nd Team - Diggs & Hopkins ... Next Best, catch a lot passes and get a lot of yards and 1st downs 3rd Team - Metcalf & Kupp or a dozen other guys. This is how I see it the first and second team too. I could see Keenan Allen and Justin Jefferson with Metcalf in that almost 2nd team but ultimately lose out group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) There 3 WRs yeah? Last year was Hopkins Thomas and Julio If Diggs leads the league in receptions plus 1400+ Yds... I can overlook 5-6 TDs. Metcalf was not seen in some big games. Seattle still did fine. Hill Benefits from having a crazy core around him. Diggs is by far getting more attention from defenses cause he the only real threat on our team. If he’s not on Buffalo, Buffalo season is way different. Adams is having a great year but also missed games like 2 I think... does that play a factor? Its tough but I say Diggs is a strong candidate. Diggs, Hill, Hopkins? Edited December 22, 2020 by CEN-CAL17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) Diggs has also played nearly 200 snaps over Davonte, 2 games. Gonna be a tough decision. Like Josh said.... availability is the best ability. Hence why Buffalo is 11-3 in a major way. Edited December 22, 2020 by CEN-CAL17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 So I think Hill gets it over Diggs simply because he brings attention to himself. He does a lot of stupid things on the field (for example, the backflips into the end zone, the peace sign as he is about to score, etc) but this season has been able to back it up with touchdown receptions. The voters don't think this way but they should - would Hill have even close to as many touchdowns and splash plays if he didn't play on the same team as Kelce and Mahomes? You certainly have to account for his speed and my Bills homerism is certainly playing into this but I think Diggs has done more and deserves the first team all pro more than Hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: If you go based off of statistics, Diggs has the advantage over Adams. Adams has missed some games and he is the only one averaging over 100 yards a game receiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: There 3 WRs yeah? Last year was Hopkins Thomas and Julio If Diggs leads the league in receptions plus 1400+ Yds... I can overlook 5-6 TDs. No. Just two spots. Hopkins and Thomas were elected last year. Julio was 2nd team. 1st team will pry be Adams, Hill 2nd team: Diggs, Hopkins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: No. Just two spots. Hopkins and Thomas were elected last year. Julio was 2nd team. 1st team will pry be Adams, Hill 2nd team: Diggs, Hopkins Dang.... in a super pass heavy league with every team having 4-5 WR sets, they can only pick 2? Tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 39 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: 1st Team - Adams & Hill... TD's win games and these two live in the end zone. 2nd Team - Diggs & Hopkins ... Next Best, catch a lot passes and get a lot of yards and 1st downs 3rd Team - Metcalf & Kupp or a dozen other guys. I don’t believe there’s a 3rd team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 So Diggs playing 2 extra games and not being hurt should be held against him? I always thought durability and playing those games was important. I disagree that Adams is a lock because he has averaged a few more yards/game. Also, how many games do you have to miss before the average is of less value? 4? 6? 15? Give me the guy who played, not the guy who played and has someone else fill his spot when he's out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: So Diggs playing 2 extra games and not being hurt should be held against him? I always thought durability and playing those games was important. I disagree that Adams is a lock because he has averaged a few more yards/game. Also, how many games do you have to miss before the average is of less value? 4? 6? 15? Give me the guy who played, not the guy who played and has someone else fill his spot when he's out. Getting into the end zone matters more. Dude has two less games and triple the TDs. It matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Dang.... in a super pass heavy league with every team having 4-5 WR sets, they can only pick 2? Tough That's why the honor is all the more meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Getting into the end zone matters more. Dude has two less games and triple the TDs. It matters So do receptions and yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: So do receptions and yards. They do. He’s not tripling anyone in receptions or yards. He’s barely ahead. Looking back at the all pros, it seems as if there are several. Depending on who’s voting. Two years again, there were 7 WRs named Edited December 22, 2020 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 Wes Welker was named all pro in 2009 with only 4 receiving TD's. Here are six WR's that have been name first team all pro since 2000 that have had 7 or few receiving TD's: Pro Football Reference: Stathead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 What's the latest news on his foot injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Joe Ferguson said: What's the latest news on his foot injury? McDermott: reports are "not overly worrisome" . But doesn't have great clarity yet. The thing that sucks is even if he is questionable we would probably shut him down for this next game. But probably the right thing to do. Especially if John Brown is 100%. Get him some reps again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 He at worst is a second team all pro but I actually think he might squeak first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He at worst is a second team all pro but I actually think he might squeak first team. I agree. He's been getting a TON of love from the national media for how much he has elevated our offense. Rightly so too. Storylines matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: There 3 WRs yeah? Last year was Hopkins Thomas and Julio If Diggs leads the league in receptions plus 1400+ Yds... I can overlook 5-6 TDs. Metcalf was not seen in some big games. Seattle still did fine. Hill Benefits from having a crazy core around him. Diggs is by far getting more attention from defenses cause he the only real threat on our team. If he’s not on Buffalo, Buffalo season is way different. Adams is having a great year but also missed games like 2 I think... does that play a factor? Its tough but I say Diggs is a strong candidate. Diggs, Hill, Hopkins? I like all these points. I think it leads to Adams, Diggs, Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 His low number of TD's will hurt his chances. Over 30 receivers have more TD's (including TE's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Absolutely not. Adams missed 2 games almost triples Diggs TD....he’s behind in reception and yards.. Adams averages 5 more yards per game. He has almost 200 more YAC. Diggs has been amazing, but adams has been the best Wr in football this season. the other spot is a tossup between Diggs, DHop and Tyreek imo. Metcalf coming up next Diggs wins over DHop imo because his team is better. Hill and Diggs, it just depends what you value more. Catches or TDs. Hill triple Diggs’ TDs while Diggs has almost 30 more receptions and is leading the league in targets, 18 more than Tyreek. Tyreek doesn’t even lead his TEAM in targets tough call. Seems to me like there should be 3 first team All pro WRs nowadays conserving most teams employ at least 3 wrs most of the time. if I were an unbiased voter and was looking at stats: Adams gets my first vote, Hill 2nd, Diggs 3rd. as a Bills fan: Diggs, then Beasley then adams C'mon man! As a Bills fan, Diggs, then Beasley, then Brown, then Davis, then TD Jesus. As an unbiased voter, probably Adams, Hill, Diggs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think Diggs will get the nod. The storyline is what courts voters. Yeah I think Diggs is more of a team leader than Tyreek. That has value. Also he's Buffalo Bill, and this is our F*ckin year baby ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He at worst is a second team all pro but I actually think he might squeak first team. Thats what I’m thinking as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1st: Adams and Hopkins 2nd: Diggs and Hill 3rd: Metcalf and Allen? If he has another monster game on MNF against the Pats maybe that will push him into #1 spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: 1st: Adams and Hopkins 2nd: Diggs and Hill 3rd: Metcalf and Allen? If he has another monster game on MNF against the Pats maybe that will push him into #1 spot That would be key. If Diggs puts up a 10 reception, 150 yard, 2 TD game it would go a long ways. Particularly if he has some crazy highlight catch or freakish yac play. Edited December 22, 2020 by Buffalo Junction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: That would be key. If Diggs puts up a 10 reception, 150 yard, 2 TD game it would go a long ways. Particularly if he has some crazy highlight catch or freakish yac play. That’s a good point. Cause you know he’s gonna have Gilmore on him 90% of the snaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Josh needs to stop running it in all the time for easy scores so the receivers’ TD stats can be padded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 without the TDs, no way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Wes Welker was named all pro in 2009 with only 4 receiving TD's. Here are six WR's that have been name first team all pro since 2000 that have had 7 or few receiving TD's: Pro Football Reference: Stathead How many of those years were there WRs that were snubbed and had 15+ TDs, 85+ catches and 1200+ yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 9 hours ago, NewEra said: as a Bills fan: Diggs, then Beasley then adams this !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 hours ago, NewEra said: How many of those years were there WRs that were snubbed and had 15+ TDs, 85+ catches and 1200+ yards None. But there is precedent for not always awarding high TD totals. And we came very close in 2016. 2016 Julio Jones won the award with 83 receptions, 1409 yards and 6TDs over Jordy Nelson who had 97 receptions, 1257 yards and 14 TD's 2010 Roddy White won the award with 111 reception, 1355 yards and 6TDs over Dwayne Bowe who had 72 receptions 1162 yards and 15 TD's Also of note, no WR in NFL history has ever not won the award when tallying at least 120 receptions and 1400 yards. 10 for 10 Stathead: 1400 yards and 120+receptions WR's in NFL history have won the award 9 out of 14 times when totaling 15+TDs, 85+ receptions and 1200+ yards Stathead: 1200+ yards, 15+ TDs and 85+ receptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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