OMG - He said what? Adam Gase admits he hasn't helped Sam Darnold develop as NFL QB

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30443591/new-york-jets-adam-gase-admits-helped-sam-darnold-develop-nfl-qb
 

"I came here to help him, help him develop his career, and we haven't been able to do that," said Gase, who is 7-20 and has presided over the NFL's worst offense for the better part of two seasons.
 

 

That’s too funny 😂 

[Warcodered]

I mean I'll give him credit for not just throwing Sam under the bus.

[Maybe Someday]

That’s a man who knows he’s getting fired lol. 
 

Darnold has only engineered 6 TD drives all season long. Wow. 🤣

Edited December 3, 2020 by Maybe Someday

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

He has a much firmer grasp of reality than I expected given those crazy eyes 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Doc]

Interesting phrasing: "I came here to help him, help him develop his career, and we haven't been able to do that."

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I'll give him credit for not just throwing Sam under the bus.

 

9 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said:

That’s a man who knows he’s getting fired lol. 
 

Darnold has only engineered 6 TD drives all season long. Wow. 🤣

 

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He has a much former grasp of reality than I expected given those crazy eyes 

 

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

Interesting phrasing: "I came here to help him, help him develop his career, and we haven't been able to do that."

pretty much sums it up. 
 

Methinks someone is holding Sam back 

[RiotAct]

better than throwing him under the bus

[Doc]

He was throwing him under the bus.  The "we" is basically  him saying "he."

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Sam Darnold is a bigger problem with the NY Jets than Adam Gase.

 

Adam Gase is a better HC than Sam Darnold is a QB.

 

Darnold is the worst starting QB in the entire NFL. Clearly.

[Adam]

I think Gase and Darnold both can do better elsewhere. The Jets owner is abysmal and the structure he set up doesn't work

[boater]

It's about the toys you surround the QB with.

 

Josh Allen has some pretty nifty toys. Darnold is surrounded by lumps of coal.

[mabden]

If I was the owner of this team, I would fire Gause on the spot and publicly apologize to Darnold and the Jets fan base.

Just now, boater said:

It's about the toys you surround the QB with.

 

Josh Allen has some pretty nifty toys. Darnold is surrounded by lumps of coal.

 

The biggest lump stands on the sidelines every game with the game plan.

[msw2112]

I think that Darnold has a higher ceiling as a player than Gase has as a coach.  I don't think that Darnold's ceiling is anywhere near that of guys like Allen, Burrow, or Herbert and some of other top young guys.  I think Gase is done as a HC, and might emerge down the road as a coordinator or position coach.  There's always a spot for experienced retreads in the NFL.  As to both guys, I agree that the Jests dysfunctional organization hasn't done either of them any favors.

 

To give Gase some leeway (which isn't easy to do), when he said "we," he may have been referring to himself and his coaching staff (who he hired and assigned some of the responsibility of developing Darnold) and wasn't necessarily dragging Darnold under the bus with him.

Edited December 3, 2020 by msw2112

[FLFan]

Is there anyone, anywhere at this point who remains unconvinced that Adam Gase is the worst coach in the NFL, by a mile in virtually any measure you could think of?  The NFL should ban him for the good of the game.  

[blacklabel]

I've said it before, if Sam Darnold ever succeeds as an NFL quarterback, it won't be with the Jets. Now I'm starting to wonder where he might end up....Chicago? Carolina? New England?! I'll throw stuff. 

[Turk71]

The only reason they haven't fired Gase is because he's doing such a good job of losing, why blow it now?

Edited December 3, 2020 by Turk71

[Augie]

50 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I'll give him credit for not just throwing Sam under the bus.

It was strange wording. Kind of a backhanded admission. Whose fault was it he wasn’t able to do it?  He didn’t say “I failed him.” Which I think is probably largely the case. It sounded equally possible that fixing Darnold was an insurmountable challenge. 

 

Disclaimer: I didn’t read the whole article, just the quote. Maybe the article is more clear? 

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

It was strange wording. Kind of a backhanded admission. Whose fault was it he wasn’t able to do it?  He didn’t say “I failed him.” Which I think is probably largely the case. It sounded equally possible that fixing Darnold was an insurmountable challenge. 

 

Disclaimer: I didn’t read the whole article, just the quote. Maybe the article is more clear? 

I read it that way too 

[CommonCents]

Two peas in a pod. Neither are good at the NFL level. 

[JoshAllenReceipts]

You guys clearly don't get that Adam Gase is being used by the media  and by the team as the sacrificial lamb for Sam Darnold.

 

I don't think the Jets ever wanted Darnold to begin with. I think in 2018 when they traded up from #6 to #3, they thought the Browns would take Darnold at #1 and the Jets were prepared to take Baker at #3. It threw the Jets off guard that the Browns shocked everyone and took Baker #1, leaving them with Darnold. They never liked Darnold (and nor should they, he is not good, wasn't very good at USC). They let Robby walk on purpose because Darnold was so atrocious at connecting with the deep ball with Robby in 2019, that they knew Darnold wasn't the guy after 2 years of watching him play. Robby goes to Carolina, finally gets to play with an accurate QB and boom, Career Year. The Jets had already decided in the offseason that they had given up on Darnold, he was clearly not "the guy"....and Adam Gase is the one who has to act as the punching bag all season, and take the hit for Darnold.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

He was throwing him under the bus.  The "we" is basically  him saying "he."

 

I'm not sure it is. I think it is sharing responsibility and he is not wrong on that. For Gase remarkably self aware.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure it is. I think it is sharing responsibility and he is not wrong on that. For Gase remarkably self aware.

 

It says a lot that such a qualifier seems appropriate.  

[JoshAllenReceipts]

45 minutes ago, boater said:

It's about the toys you surround the QB with.

 

Josh Allen has some pretty nifty toys. Darnold is surrounded by lumps of coal.

 

 

False.

 

Robby Anderson with Teddy Bridgewater >>>>>> Robby Amderson with Sam Darnold

 

QBs are supposed to elevate their WRs - Darnold was holding back Robby because he is the most inaccurate passer in football.

 

Darnold had Perriman-Mims-Crowder this past game and put up 3 points. 

 

Darnold is the problem. Stop making excuses for this Bust.

Edited December 3, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[frostbitmic]

Time to sign Gase to a contract extension.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure it is. I think it is sharing responsibility and he is not wrong on that. For Gase remarkably self aware.

it’s probably both. But the writing is on the wall for Gase to be fired 

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

it’s probably both. But the writing is on the wall for Gase to be fired 

 

And for Darnold to be cut.

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30443591/new-york-jets-adam-gase-admits-helped-sam-darnold-develop-nfl-qb
 

"I came here to help him, help him develop his career, and we haven't been able to do that," said Gase, who is 7-20 and has presided over the NFL's worst offense for the better part of two seasons.
 

 

That’s too funny 😂 

 

 

Certain players are hopeless and can't be developed. Darnold is one of those guys. Nice guy, atrocious QB with no hope.

[Mat68]

This stinking guy.  Gets rid of every good player he has ever coached.  After being terrible he blames the players everytime.

[Jobot]

25 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

You guys clearly don't get that Adam Gase is being used by the media  and by the team as the sacrificial lamb for Sam Darnold.

 

I don't think the Jets ever wanted Darnold to begin with. I think in 2018 when they traded up from #6 to #3, they thought the Browns would take Darnold at #1 and the Jets were prepared to take Baker at #3. It threw the Jets off guard that the Browns shocked everyone and took Baker #1, leaving them with Darnold. They never liked Darnold (and nor should they, he is not good, wasn't very good at USC). They let Robby walk on purpose because Darnold was so atrocious at connecting with the deep ball with Robby in 2019, that they knew Darnold wasn't the guy after 2 years of watching him play. Robby goes to Carolina, finally gets to play with an accurate QB and boom, Career Year. The Jets had already decided in the offseason that they had given up on Darnold, he was clearly not "the guy"....and Adam Gase is the one who has to act as the punching bag all season, and take the hit for Darnold.

 

Interesting idea about Baker and the Jets ending up with Darnold.. and further no longer wanting Darnold. I could totally see this as true.

 

But Gase taking the fall? For what reason? His entire existence in the NFL post Payton has made zero sense. Somehow the Jets got into trouble with the wrong people and ended up paying this nut insane money, and I can't put my finger as to why.. I see Gase just adding to his baffoonery by saying stuff like this.

[Jobot]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure it is. I think it is sharing responsibility and he is not wrong on that. For Gase remarkably self aware.

 

Darnold is just one of 1000 things that Gase royally F'd up in NY... If I'm the Jets owner, I could care less to hear him say this kind of crap, it would actually piss me off. I wonder what Gase things he's done well during his time coaching the Jets. Hearing this sounds like a guy throwing in the towel while continuing to cash his checks. The guy is a child and a mental midget. 

[JoshAllenReceipts]

10 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

Interesting idea about Baker and the Jets ending up with Darnold.. and further no longer wanting Darnold. I could totally see this as true.

 

But Gase taking the fall? For what reason? His entire existence in the NFL post Payton has made zero sense. Somehow the Jets got into trouble with the wrong people and ended up paying this nut insane money, and I can't put my finger as to why.. I see Gase just adding to his baffoonery by saying stuff like this.

 

For the reason that Darnold is an extremely nice and likeable guy, (but an abomination of a QB.)

 

The media is scapegoating Gase to protect Darnold.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Sam Darnold is a bigger problem with the NY Jets than Adam Gase.

Adam Gase is a better HC than Sam Darnold is a QB.

Darnold is the worst starting QB in the entire NFL. Clearly.

 

But how would we know?  Seriously.

 

It's a fact that Darnold's rookie season didn't raise any huge red flags. 

It's also a fact that 2 different HC and OCs in 3 years is typically not helpful, but under Adam Gase Darnold started down the path of "Things Fall Apart"

 

50 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

You guys clearly don't get that Adam Gase is being used by the media  and by the team as the sacrificial lamb for Sam Darnold.

 

We get that Adam Gase is just not a good HC.  Tannehill looked like crap under Gase in Miami. 

 

When a coach takes over a QB who has passed for >4000 yds with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio for the past 2 seasons, and under that coach his passing production plummets and his INT rise...then in that QB's next stop he heads for the playoffs and wins "NFL comeback player of the year" ....maybe it's not him, it's Adam Gase.

 

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I don't think the Jets ever wanted Darnold to begin with. I think in 2018 when they traded up from #6 to #3, they thought the Browns would take Darnold at #1 and the Jets were prepared to take Baker at #3. It threw the Jets off guard

 

This reads like total excusemaking baloney.  If the Jets traded to #3 then took a player they never wanted with that pick because the guy they really wanted went at #1 overall and there wasn't anyone else they had graded that high so "hey, ho, might as well pluck this guy as the Consolation Prize even though we don't want him", then their trade-up to #3 was "a plan where you lose your hat....a BAD PLAN".

 

Seriously, if you trade to #3 well before the draft, there had better be 3 guys you have rated that high and would be happy to take there.  Otherwise it's just dumb.

 

Not to mention they had the chance to draft other guys at that spot, including the super-intelligent at football and life 10/10 Josh Allen, AmIRite?

[BruceVilanch]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

I don't think the Jets ever wanted Darnold to begin with. I think in 2018 when they traded up from #6 to #3, they thought the Browns would take Darnold at #1 and the Jets were prepared to take Baker at #3. It threw the Jets off guard that the Browns shocked everyone and took Baker #1, leaving them with Darnold. They never liked Darnold (and nor should they, he is not good, wasn't very good at USC)

Do you have any evidence of this? or are you just doing a stream of conscience post? Why would they draft someone they "Didn't like" worst case scenario if they had a guy they "Didn't like" sitting at number 3 they move back and get additional draft capital. And his 2 years starting at USC he had a completion percentage of 67% and 63% with 57 TDs to 22 INT's with a 150 passer rating for those 2 years, so he was in fact quite good at USC. I don't think he was the long term answer for the Jets and I don't know how his career will end up, but posters coming in saying "You guys don't get it" then spouting BS after that statement is pretty dumb.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I think that Darnold has a higher ceiling as a player than Gase has as a coach.  I don't think that Darnold's ceiling is anywhere near that of guys like Allen, Burrow, or Herbert and some of other top young guys.  I think Gase is done as a HC, and might emerge down the road as a coordinator or position coach.  There's always a spot for experienced retreads in the NFL.  As to both guys, I agree that the Jests dysfunctional organization hasn't done either of them any favors.

 

To give Gase some leeway (which isn't easy to do), when he said "we," he may have been referring to himself and his coaching staff (who he hired and assigned some of the responsibility of developing Darnold) and wasn't necessarily dragging Darnold under the bus with him.

 

 

Yeah, I think it's clear that the "we" was the coaching staff. He was taking responsibility. One of the few things he's done there I've respected.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

 

False.

 

Robby Anderson with Teddy Bridgewater >>>>>> Robby Amderson with Sam Darnold

 

QBs are supposed to elevate their WRs - Darnold was holding back Robby because he is the most inaccurate passer in football.

 

Darnold had Perriman-Mims-Crowder this past game and put up 3 points. 

 

Darnold is the problem. Stop making excuses for this Bust.

 

 

 

Nah.

 

Bridgewater has a functioning o-line protecting him. Darnold does not. Not that that o-line is good, it's not especially, but it's far more functional than the  one in the Meadowlands. Darnold's in an awful position, and will be better elsewhere as his career progresses.

 

Also, having DJ Moore opposite you will draw more safeties away from a guy than having Breshad Perriman.

 

Darnold will be better, but how much better is still a legit question.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Thurman#1

[SirAndrew]

I don’t give Gase credit for much, but at least he has slightly more self awareness than Matt Patricia. 

[JPP]

Gase is just simply AWESOME!!  As a lifelong Bills fan i really hope the Jets extend him for years to come!

[shoshin]

18 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I don’t give Gase credit for much, but at least he has slightly more self awareness than Matt Patricia. 

 

I give Gase credit for riding Manning's coattails to a huge series of unearned paydays. 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Methinks someone is holding Sam back 

That would be none other than Sam himself.

41 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Nah.

 

Bridgewater has a functioning o-line protecting him. Darnold does not. Not that that o-line is good, it's not especially, but it's far more functional than the  one in the Meadowlands. Darnold's in an awful position, and will be better elsewhere as his career progresses.

 

Also, having DJ Moore opposite you will draw more safeties away from a guy than having Breshad Perriman.

 

Darnold will be better, but how much better is still a legit question.

These were the excuses we made for JP Losman

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

For the reason that Darnold is an extremely nice and likeable guy, (but an abomination of a QB.)

 

The media is scapegoating Gase to protect Darnold.

Gase has never been particularly good, he rode the coat tails of generationally exceptional talent (P. Manning) pretending to have talent himself. When put in a position to grow QBs and teams without a generational talent at the QB position he has failed to do so with three consecutive teams, (Cutler, Chicago struggled and failed 23-26, Tannehill, Miami struggled and failed, 23-25, and Darnold, New York complete failure).  Gase became moreso exposed as being bereft of the skill set required, with each of those teams.  There is a saying in the NFL,  “You are who your record says you are” ...  
 

Not for nuthin, but “you doth protest to much”...
 

 

[TigerJ]

So did Gase have an explanation for why he failed to help Darnold improve?