Zerovoltz Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On April 18th, 2016, The destiny of the Kansas City Chiefs was set in motion by an on obscure, odd, bitter event that no one even remembers. Kansas City lost it’s appeal on charges of illegal tampering with Jeremy Maclin prior to his signing with the team. At the time, everyone was upset with the NFL for handing down such a harsh sentence. The Chiefs were fined 250k, and had to forfeit their 3rd and 6th round draft choices in the 2016 NFL draft. Just days before the draft started, losing that 3rd round pick would end up saving the Chiefs from themselves, and the rest is history. Let me explain. In 2016, Kansas City allegedly wanted to draft Paxton Lynch, the big tall QB from Memphis. KC, picking 28th, knew Lynch was coveted by other teams. In fact, Jerry Jones lamented after that draft, that he wished had “overpayed” to move up and draft Lynch. There were rumblings all over that KC was in on him as well. Denver, picking at 31, and needing a new QB after the retirement of Peyton Manning, ended up making the deal to move up to 26 and get Lynch. It might seem like picking at 28 and only needing to move up 2 spots, KC would be able to make a winning offer to Seattle to make it happen…but they didn’t have a 3rd round pick. Kansas City’s 3rd rounder, the 91st overall selection, was the pick KC had to give up for tampering with Maclin. Denver had the 94th overall pick, late in the third round and was able to package pick 31 and pick 94 to make the move up to 26. If KC had their 3rd rounder, Kansas City would have been able to outbid Denver with an offer of 28 and 91. As it was, the best the Chiefs could do was 28 and 126, their 4th round choice. Denver had the best offer, moved up and drafted Lynch. Kansas City would go on to trade back out of the 28th pick with San Francisco. The Chiefs sent the 28th (1st) and the 249th (7th) for 37 (2nd) 105 (4th) and 178 (6th). At 37, Kansas City would select, DT Chris Jones. At 105 they selected G Parker Ehinger, who started until he suffered an injury and then was traded to Dallas in 2017 for Charvarious Ward. Having missed out on Lynch in 2016, the Chiefs were still looking for a QB in 2017. We all know how that turned out. Who would have thought, such a trivial, heavy handed decision over tampering with a player, would ultimately lead to Kansas City acquiring Chris Jones, Charvarious Ward, and…Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes it’s the little, obscure events that we miss, that matter more than we think and more than we could ever know at the time. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Another interpretation: Andy Reid falling in love with Paxton Lynch is proof positive that hitting on Mahomes was as much about the stars aligning as it was Reid knowing what he was doing. 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Another interpretation: Andy Reid falling in love with Paxton Lynch is proof positive that hitting on Mahomes was as much about the stars aligning as it was Reid knowing what he was doing. Moral of the story: it's better to be lucky than good. None of the QBs in the 2016 draft have turned out to be nearly as good as Mahomes --- or DeShaun Watson. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, SoTier said: Moral of the story: it's better to be lucky than good. None of the QBs in the 2016 draft have turned out to be nearly as good as Mahomes --- or DeShaun Watson. Yep. I’m still not convinced Allen was the Bills top QB choice in that draft (although I know they said he was). I certainly would take him over any of the others at this point though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 more like "A LAMP Story" 3 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: Yep. I’m still not convinced Allen was the Bills top QB choice in that draft (although I know they said he was). I certainly would take him over any of the others at this point though! I wasn't a fan of taking Allen in 2017 but he was better than Darnold, whom it seemed was the Bills first choice until the Jests traded up to #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Casey D Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 It's funny. They asked Tyreek Hill on Inside the NFL last night if he could see Mahomes greatness immediately after he was drafted. Hill laughed and basically said that Mahomes sucked when he first arrived. He then said when Mahomes came back for his second year "he was a totally different guy-- footwork, understanding the game" etc. I found that interesting, and suggests Mahomes is more like Allen than I thought. I guess getting crushed in the first year playing on a bad team as opposed to watching a veteran like Alex Smith play made a difference, at least from an outward appearance standpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DJB said: Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. The OP has been on here trolling for a couple of years (basically since the Bills traded out of the pick that gave the Chiefs Kermit the Frog). Edit: looks like he wrote the piece here: https://arrowheadguys.com/how-roger-goodell-helped-the-chiefs-land-patrick-mahomes/ Edited December 2, 2020 by Johnnycage46 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: The OP has been on here trolling for a couple of years (basically since the Bills traded out of the pick that gave the Chiefs Kermit the Frog). Edit: looks like he wrote the piece here: https://arrowheadguys.com/how-roger-goodell-helped-the-chiefs-land-patrick-mahomes/ Or he plagiarized the entire thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, DJB said: Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. I hear ya, I get scolded for pointing this sort of thing out, lots of fans here who just love how the pats and Brady cheat all the time, birds of a feather I guess, at least KC and Mahomes haven’t gone done that road...but one would think that this being a Bills team forum these post wouldn’t happen so frequently... Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: On April 18th, 2016, The destiny of the Kansas City Chiefs was set in motion by an on obscure, odd, bitter event that no one even remembers. Kansas City lost it’s appeal on charges of illegal tampering with Jeremy Maclin prior to his signing with the team. At the time, everyone was upset with the NFL for handing down such a harsh sentence. The Chiefs were fined 250k, and had to forfeit their 3rd and 6th round draft choices in the 2016 NFL draft. Just days before the draft started, losing that 3rd round pick would end up saving the Chiefs from themselves, and the rest is history. Let me explain. In 2016, Kansas City allegedly wanted to draft Paxton Lynch, the big tall QB from Memphis. KC, picking 28th, knew Lynch was coveted by other teams. In fact, Jerry Jones lamented after that draft, that he wished had “overpayed” to move up and draft Lynch. There were rumblings all over that KC was in on him as well. Denver, picking at 31, and needing a new QB after the retirement of Peyton Manning, ended up making the deal to move up to 26 and get Lynch. It might seem like picking at 28 and only needing to move up 2 spots, KC would be able to make a winning offer to Seattle to make it happen…but they didn’t have a 3rd round pick. Kansas City’s 3rd rounder, the 91st overall selection, was the pick KC had to give up for tampering with Maclin. Denver had the 94th overall pick, late in the third round and was able to package pick 31 and pick 94 to make the move up to 26. If KC had their 3rd rounder, Kansas City would have been able to outbid Denver with an offer of 28 and 91. As it was, the best the Chiefs could do was 28 and 126, their 4th round choice. Denver had the best offer, moved up and drafted Lynch. Kansas City would go on to trade back out of the 28th pick with San Francisco. The Chiefs sent the 28th (1st) and the 249th (7th) for 37 (2nd) 105 (4th) and 178 (6th). At 37, Kansas City would select, DT Chris Jones. At 105 they selected G Parker Ehinger, who started until he suffered an injury and then was traded to Dallas in 2017 for Charvarious Ward. Having missed out on Lynch in 2016, the Chiefs were still looking for a QB in 2017. We all know how that turned out. Who would have thought, such a trivial, heavy handed decision over tampering with a player, would ultimately lead to Kansas City acquiring Chris Jones, Charvarious Ward, and…Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes it’s the little, obscure events that we miss, that matter more than we think and more than we could ever know at the time. Not even close brah....not even close. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, H2o said: Or he plagiarized the entire thing LOL....I'm the one that wrote that for Arrowhead guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: LOL....I'm the one that wrote that for Arrowhead guys So....... You wrote this 7 months ago and just randomly come to post this on here now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, H2o said: So....... You wrote this 7 months ago and just randomly come to post this on here now? It wasn't random.....there is a thread here that was going over some draft scenarios and it made me think of how little things can alter what a team does.....but yes is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I’m not really sure what this story is doing on a Buffalo Bills message board. To be fair, it DOES follow Zero’s only known framework for posting here: “THE CHIEFS GOT PATRICK MAHOMES!!!!!!!”. Why do I keep clicking on threads by this strange troll? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Make no mistake about it, this guy is trolling. He tries to be very subtle about it, but what other explanation is there for a KC fan to show up here after Mahomes explodes on the scene(after Buffalo traded the pick to KC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, DJB said: Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. did you hear that we could’ve had Mahomes?!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said: Yep. I’m still not convinced Allen was the Bills top QB choice in that draft (although I know they said he was). I certainly would take him over any of the others at this point though! He was, here's their draft board: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 There is something to be said about starting threads at 3 AM (Central Standard Time) 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Not even close brah....not even close. You're just jealous.... But, hot damn Josh's girl is gorgeous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DJB said: Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. unfortunately it is not limited to just the bills, so mahomey will be news here for years to come. from brady to mahomey... Buffalo Bills Community. Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL 24 hours a day since 1998! Edited December 2, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Hopefully this OP goodness was also shared to all of the KC fanboards? Wouldn't want this to just be bogarted exclusively away on our humble Bills board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Logic said: I’m not really sure what this story is doing on a Buffalo Bills message board. To be fair, it DOES follow Zero’s only known framework for posting here: “THE CHIEFS GOT PATRICK MAHOMES!!!!!!!”. Why do I keep clicking on threads by this strange troll? 7 hours ago, Back the Blue said: Make no mistake about it, this guy is trolling. He tries to be very subtle about it, but what other explanation is there for a KC fan to show up here after Mahomes explodes on the scene(after Buffalo traded the pick to KC). Fans of other teams who come here to discuss football aren't necessarily trolls. Trolls come to a another team's fan site to stir up trouble. Zerovoltz hasn't ever done that. I think that the 2017 trade between the Bills and Chiefs, the subsequent stardom of Mahomes, and the emergence of Allen and the Bills as an AFC power link the two teams together to form a potential rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: Fans of other teams who come here to discuss football aren't necessarily trolls. Trolls come to a another team's fan site to stir up trouble. Zerovoltz hasn't ever done that. I think that the 2017 trade between the Bills and Chiefs, the subsequent stardom of Mahomes, and the emergence of Allen and the Bills as an AFC power link the two teams together to form a potential rivalry. I agree with Back the Blue. Zero has literally ADMITTED that he came to TBD to stir up crap and to essentially troll the Bills for not drafting Mahomes. He says he then really liked the forum and decided to stick around. The only problem is that he only ever posts about Mahomes and the Chiefs, never about the Bills. I just don't see the point of his once monthly "hey guys, did you hear the Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes" threads, other than to stick it to Bills fans, over and over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 So we're dragging out a story from 2016 that was started by Paxton's agent, Leigh Steinberg. An agent saying that the Chiefs and Cowboys were among the teams looking to move up and draft him is not the same as something that actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said: unfortunately it is not limited to just the bills, so mahomey will be news here for years to come. from brady to mahomey... Buffalo Bills Community. Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL 24 hours a day since 1998! Good. Im a diehard Bills fan, but am a fan of football and the nfl first. I watch all games because it's a short season and my fsv time of the year. Being a Bills fan but not caring about the rest of the league is like people who believe in God but not hell lol there's only so much Bills stuff, and this was interesting, who cares? Don't click it. Good post! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Great. This guy again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Logic said: I agree with Back the Blue. Zero has literally ADMITTED that he came to TBD to stir up crap and to essentially troll the Bills for not drafting Mahomes. He says he then really liked the forum and decided to stick around. The only problem is that he only ever posts about Mahomes and the Chiefs, never about the Bills. I just don't see the point of his once monthly "hey guys, did you hear the Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes" threads, other than to stick it to Bills fans, over and over and over again. go look at my post history....you only remember when I post about the Chiefs because it stands out here.....my NUMEROUS posts about all sorts of other topics, including the Bills, just get lost in the ocean of discussion here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Logic said: I agree with Back the Blue. Zero has literally ADMITTED that he came to TBD to stir up crap and to essentially troll the Bills for not drafting Mahomes. He says he then really liked the forum and decided to stick around. The only problem is that he only ever posts about Mahomes and the Chiefs, never about the Bills. I just don't see the point of his once monthly "hey guys, did you hear the Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes" threads, other than to stick it to Bills fans, over and over and over again. .....I don't need to go over this again....do I? YES, I came here after that trade etc...I wanted to see how the Bills fan base reacted to it...and to see how you'd all move forward in 2018, and totally true...I've come to enjoy it here. I've adopted the Bills as my "second favorite" team. I bought my kid a bills Jersey....I hung out with Poncho Billa at the 2018 draft and posted pictures of that here. I am a Chiefs fan. I love Mahomes....yes, soemtimes I'll give a jab here or there, but I've even written a few times here in detail, defending the trade, and pointing out that it's been a good deal for both sides...I've defended McD and why going into that draft a QB was off the table and he made an A+ deal given the circumstances he was in heading into the 2017 Draft. I also fell on the side of "Josh Allen will never become a good NFL QB" but posted that I wanted him to make it.....and now that he has..I put up a post admitting I was wrong...I love watching Allen play...he's one of my favorite players. hell I was here a couple nights ago posting videos of Eagles/Seahawks plays because there was a discussion here about Wentz....nothing to do with Mahomes or KC.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Not Bills related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: go look at my post history....you only remember when I post about the Chiefs because it stands out here.....my NUMEROUS posts about all sorts of other topics, including the Bills, just get lost in the ocean of discussion here. And I am willing to vouch for that. I have had Bills and general league conversations with Zero about things that are not Chiefs related. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 23 hours ago, SoTier said: I wasn't a fan of taking Allen in 2017 but he was better than Darnold, whom it seemed was the Bills first choice until the Jests traded up to #3. Yeah, same here. I DEFINITELY didn't want Darnold. But I also didn't want Allen. I wanted the other Josh. I guess that's why I don't run an NFL franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 3:02 AM, Zerovoltz said: On April 18th, 2016, The destiny of the Kansas City Chiefs was set in motion by an on obscure, odd, bitter event that no one even remembers. Kansas City lost it’s appeal on charges of illegal tampering with Jeremy Maclin prior to his signing with the team. At the time, everyone was upset with the NFL for handing down such a harsh sentence. The Chiefs were fined 250k, and had to forfeit their 3rd and 6th round draft choices in the 2016 NFL draft. Just days before the draft started, losing that 3rd round pick would end up saving the Chiefs from themselves, and the rest is history. Let me explain. In 2016, Kansas City allegedly wanted to draft Paxton Lynch, the big tall QB from Memphis. KC, picking 28th, knew Lynch was coveted by other teams. In fact, Jerry Jones lamented after that draft, that he wished had “overpayed” to move up and draft Lynch. There were rumblings all over that KC was in on him as well. Denver, picking at 31, and needing a new QB after the retirement of Peyton Manning, ended up making the deal to move up to 26 and get Lynch. It might seem like picking at 28 and only needing to move up 2 spots, KC would be able to make a winning offer to Seattle to make it happen…but they didn’t have a 3rd round pick. Kansas City’s 3rd rounder, the 91st overall selection, was the pick KC had to give up for tampering with Maclin. Denver had the 94th overall pick, late in the third round and was able to package pick 31 and pick 94 to make the move up to 26. If KC had their 3rd rounder, Kansas City would have been able to outbid Denver with an offer of 28 and 91. As it was, the best the Chiefs could do was 28 and 126, their 4th round choice. Denver had the best offer, moved up and drafted Lynch. Kansas City would go on to trade back out of the 28th pick with San Francisco. The Chiefs sent the 28th (1st) and the 249th (7th) for 37 (2nd) 105 (4th) and 178 (6th). At 37, Kansas City would select, DT Chris Jones. At 105 they selected G Parker Ehinger, who started until he suffered an injury and then was traded to Dallas in 2017 for Charvarious Ward. Having missed out on Lynch in 2016, the Chiefs were still looking for a QB in 2017. We all know how that turned out. Who would have thought, such a trivial, heavy handed decision over tampering with a player, would ultimately lead to Kansas City acquiring Chris Jones, Charvarious Ward, and…Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes it’s the little, obscure events that we miss, that matter more than we think and more than we could ever know at the time. Reminds me of that that time we passed up on Aaron Rodgers because we had just traded up the year prior for JP Loseman. Chiefs dodged a bullet. We got it right in the a$$. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: .....I don't need to go over this again....do I? YES, I came here after that trade etc...I wanted to see how the Bills fan base reacted to it...and to see how you'd all move forward in 2018, and totally true...I've come to enjoy it here. I've adopted the Bills as my "second favorite" team. I bought my kid a bills Jersey....I hung out with Poncho Billa at the 2018 draft and posted pictures of that here. I am a Chiefs fan. I love Mahomes....yes, soemtimes I'll give a jab here or there, but I've even written a few times here in detail, defending the trade, and pointing out that it's been a good deal for both sides...I've defended McD and why going into that draft a QB was off the table and he made an A+ deal given the circumstances he was in heading into the 2017 Draft. I also fell on the side of "Josh Allen will never become a good NFL QB" but posted that I wanted him to make it.....and now that he has..I put up a post admitting I was wrong...I love watching Allen play...he's one of my favorite players. hell I was here a couple nights ago posting videos of Eagles/Seahawks plays because there was a discussion here about Wentz....nothing to do with Mahomes or KC.... Great. 90% of your content here is new threads with another spin on how Buffalo didn't draft Mahomes or run of the mill LAMP. If you had any interest in participating on this board like any other functioning adult you would do so. Its not hard. But here we are with another LAMP about how Buffalo didn't draft Mahomes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 7:37 AM, DJB said: Isn't this the Bills board? I've seen 20 years of crap about Tom Brady on here. Now it feels like there is a daily Pat Mahomes thread. we got about 20 more years of that...sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 You have to love an NFL team taking a defensive tackle way before a QB with Mahomes' talent. And of course, it wasn't just the Chiefs who passed on him! That's not hindsight 20/20 crap, that's how these NFL teams operate, and they are all equally bad. If Mahomes had flamed out, get the next Mahomes, and the next, and grab a couple every draft class until you have one that works. Defensive tackles? Who cares. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You have to love an NFL team taking a defensive tackle way before a QB with Mahomes' talent. And of course, it wasn't just the Chiefs who passed on him! That's not hindsight 20/20 crap, that's how these NFL teams operate, and they are all equally bad. If Mahomes had flamed out, get the next Mahomes, and the next, and grab a couple every draft class until you have one that works. Defensive tackles? Who cares. I don't understand. Who did the Chiefs pass on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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