Bills FO likely to get poached for GM candidates

[jkeerie]

20 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I think SF is in deep ***** in the upcoming years. They screwed themselves overpaying for Jimmy G. He is not a good QB. 

I do agree that Jimmy G is overrated.  He benefited by Brady's and Belichick's coattails.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

But Beane has sucked in the draft, I read it right here
 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

24 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I think SF is in deep ***** in the upcoming years. They screwed themselves overpaying for Jimmy G. He is not a good QB. 

They can dump Jimmy G easily. 

[machine gun kelly]

Pat and Mills broke down his contract and they can get out of Jimmy G. For not a big dead cap hit next year.  Not speculating they should, just they can if that is the direction they want.

[Bubba Gump]

Welcome to Jacksonville Jimmy G. 😆

[jkeerie]

3 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

Welcome to Jacksonville Jimmy G. 😆

He'll end up back in New England.  Belichick didn't want to let him go.

[Don Otreply]

This would not be surprising, Beane put together a very good staff, lots of talent there.  Beane has had the Pegula’s blessing from day one it would appear, and he has continued to earn it. 
 

Go Bills!!!
 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Great sign if the Bills FO staff is sought after by other teams.  It’s a sign, we have great top end people like Beane and McD and they hire and develop well.

[Augie]

The only thing worse than having teams poach your FO talents is having nobody interested in your FO talent. This is the sign of a good team. 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Pat and Mills broke down his contract and they can get out of Jimmy G. For not a big dead cap hit next year.  Not speculating they should, just they can if that is the direction they want.

 

I am 50/50 on whether they should but I am pretty sure they will. I expect a new QB there next year. 

[BillnutinHouston]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

He is nowhere ready to be a GM. Let someone take a chance on him. I pull for the guy, I have his autographed Panthers helmet. But he has done nothing to deserve a GM job as of yet. 

 

What data set or proof of any kind is leading you to this conclusion?

 

Are you an insider or is your analysis based on the extensive media reporting about his contributions?

[Bubba Gump]

23 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

What data set or proof of any kind is leading you to this conclusion?

 

Are you an insider or is your analysis based on the extensive media reporting about his contributions?

 

The same as your data. Who has data to say he is gonna be a GM? It's my opinion, isn't that what this board is for??? Opinions? 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

I do agree that Jimmy G is overrated.  He benefited by Brady's and Belichick's coattails.

 

But what about Bilicheat wanted Jimmy the G and Krafty wanted to keep Brady which is why Jimmy the G was traded?

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Leslie Frazier can help any team at defending the Hail Mary

 

 

 

 

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Yup...and we’d get some draft picks too...any takers? 😉

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They can dump Jimmy G easily. 

Yep only $2.8 million in dead cap space if cut him next year or $1.4 million in 2022.

21 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

But what about Bilicheat wanted Jimmy the G and Krafty wanted to keep Brady which is why Jimmy the G was traded?

Belichick was looking at long term as imagine he'll coach as long as he can.

[jkeerie]

35 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

But what about Bilicheat wanted Jimmy the G and Krafty wanted to keep Brady which is why Jimmy the G was traded?

That's why I think he's going to end up back in NE if SF parts ways with him.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

The same as your data. Who has data to say he is gonna be a GM? It's my opinion, isn't that what this board is for??? Opinions? 

The point is none of us have much if any information, and you are the only one posting a strong opinion so we were understandably curious where it came from. Especially since it’s contrary to any insight afforded that we generally have access to.

 

but then again you posted the jimmy g comment without a lick of care about the widely known and easy to find fact sooooo yea. 
 

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by NoSaint

[BADOLBILZ]

 

PLEASE take whoever it was that gave Beane a visible hard-on for Cody Ford in the Bills embedded feature.

 

If a smart owner is hiring a GM.......it is a guy who isn't going to drop his guard after round 1 and starting looking to patch holes.

 

But the teams that will be looking for new personnel department include some real doozy owners.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But Beane has sucked in the draft, I read it right here
 

 

 

 

Yeah I was going to say I didn't think PFF had love for Beane's draft work.

 

And honestly,   other than White and Allen..........what exactly have they hit out of the park?

 

The Bills sorta epitomize Belichick's "you gotta' be making bad decisions all the time to be bad in the NFL".

 

Get a QB and don't sh*t yourself wrt personnel and coaching and you should be in contention for the playoffs more often than not.

 

They got that talented QB.........otherwise they are a thoroughly mixed bag of modest successes and modest failures in terms of personnel.

 

The schedule was very kind in 2017 and 2019 to allow them to fake it til they made it........and now they are legitimately competitive with all but maybe KC.

 

But in a matchup league....where playmakers are so important........the Bills personnel department has really not stood out.

 

I wouldn't be too excited about a Schoen/Daboll team if I were a fan of one of those full turnover situations.

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

But what about Bilicheat wanted Jimmy the G and Krafty wanted to keep Brady which is why Jimmy the G was traded?

Someone else in another thread mentioned they wouldn’t be surprised if they Cheats move on from Cam, they could pick up Jimmy G. If cut from SF.  It’s conceivable SF could bundle their first and second to move up and get a decent QB in the draft.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Yeah I was going to say I didn't think PFF had love for Beane's draft work.

 

And honestly,   other than White and Allen..........what exactly have they hit out of the park?

 

The Bills sorta epitomize Belichick's "you gotta' be making bad decisions all the time to be bad in the NFL".

 

Get a QB and don't sh*t yourself wrt personnel and coaching and you should be in contention for the playoffs more often than not.

 

They got that talented QB.........otherwise they are a thoroughly mixed bag of modest successes and modest failures in terms of personnel.

 

The schedule was very kind in 2017 and 2019 to allow them to fake it til they made it........and now they are legitimately competitive with all but maybe KC.

 

But in a matchup league....where playmakers are so important........the Bills personnel department has really not stood out.

 

I wouldn't be too excited about a Schoen/Daboll team if I were a fan of one of those full turnover situations.

 

Think this is mostly right. If you hit on the QB you can afford to find contributors elsewhere and still end up competitive. That is what the Bills have done. They need to find 1 or 2 more true difference makers to catapult themselves from competitive to that real elite bracket of teams. That might be one of the two guys they already have in the building with high end talent - Oliver and Edmunds - finding that sought after consistency and really breaking out, which is still possible though clearly the clock is ticking. Or it means doing it in this next couple of drafts. It is likely a future Allen contract is structured in such a way as to make the front end of it manageable for cap purposes (the advantage of having a QB you are sure about rather than one where you still have to hedge and not backload too much) so the Bills have a window now.... certainly for the next 4 or 5 years. I think we have to expect to make the dance in that period. Anything else is failure. Though obviously a better kind of failure than what preceded it.

 

The only thing I'd slightly take issue with is the difficulty of the 2017 schedule. I don't think I'd describe it as "very kind" certainly not in the way that the 2019 was. I think 2017 was kind of your standard NFL schedule.... it was somewhere in the middle. We only played 7 games against teams with winning records but 6 of those were against teams who won 10 or more games and the Bills were able to go 2-4 in those games which was good enough to scrape in at 9-7. We also didn't play any bottom feeders. In 2019 we only played 3 games against teams who won 10 or more games and we played 5 games against the 5 worst teams in the NFL (including 2 against Miami). 2019 was an example of a schedule that really could not have set up any better. I think 2017 they had some luck and I never thought the team was as bad as some made it out before the season but I do the schedule was pretty average overall

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Think this is mostly right. If you hit on the QB you can afford to find contributors elsewhere and still end up competitive. That is what the Bills have done. They need to find 1 or 2 more true difference makers to catapult themselves from competitive to that real elite bracket of teams. That might be one of the two guys they already have in the building with high end talent - Oliver and Edmunds - finding that sought after consistency and really breaking out, which is still possible though clearly the clock is ticking. Or it means doing it in this next couple of drafts. It is likely a future Allen contract is structured in such a way as to make the front end of it manageable for cap purposes (the advantage of having a QB you are sure about rather than one where you still have to hedge and not backload too much) so the Bills have a window now.... certainly for the next 4 or 5 years. I think we have to expect to make the dance in that period. Anything else is failure. Though obviously a better kind of failure than what preceded it.

 

The only thing I'd slightly take issue with is the difficulty of the 2017 schedule. I don't think I'd describe it as "very kind" certainly not in the way that the 2019 was. I think 2017 was kind of your standard NFL schedule.... it was somewhere in the middle. We only played 7 games against teams with winning records but 6 of those were against teams who won 10 or more games and the Bills were able to go 2-4 in those games which was good enough to scrape in at 9-7. We also didn't play any bottom feeders. In 2019 we only played 3 games against teams who won 10 or more games and we played 5 games against the 5 worst teams in the NFL (including 2 against Miami). 2019 was an example of a schedule that really could not have set up any better. I think 2017 they had some luck and I never thought the team was as bad as some made it out before the season but I do the schedule was pretty average overall

 

 

For the people who wonder why the Bills can't finish off teams.........that is why.

 

They are short a couple players...........an elite pass rusher on defense and a game breaker on offense.

 

When the other team is in desperation mode the Bills can't turn up the heat.........their pass rush is steady but can't really cash in when QB's hold onto the ball a bit longer..........and they don't have a player on offense who can take advantage of an over pursuing defense.

 

So the opponent is able to take more chances on both sides of the ball when they are down on the scoreboard.

 

 

[JohnNord]

It’s crazy that there are 4 or 5 LEGIT candidates in the front office that could be considered as GM’s.  

Joe Schoen

Brian Gaine

Dan Morgan

Lake Dawson

Malik Boyd

We’ve come a long way since the days of Doug Whaley, Jim Monos - both who are currently out of the NFL

[PrimeTime101]

22 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I know. I've followed Dan Morgan his whole career. He is nowhere ready to be a GM. Let someone take a chance on him. I pull for the guy, I have his autographed Panthers helmet. But he has done nothing to deserve a GM job as of yet. 

 

I doubt you know Jack about Dan Morgan... he is more then ready..

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

 

I doubt you know Jack about Dan Morgan... he is more then ready..

to be fair, I doubt you do either 

[without a drought]

On 11/30/2020 at 6:47 PM, HOUSE said:

Leslie Frazier can help any team at defending the Hail Mary

 

 

 

 

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Why? Is he tall.

Edited December 22, 2020 by without a drought

[Mark Vader]

22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am 50/50 on whether they should but I am pretty sure they will. I expect a new QB there next year. 

A rookie or a veteran?

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

A rookie or a veteran?

 

More likely the latter but don't think anything is off the table.

[PrimeTime101]

10 hours ago, NoSaint said:

to be fair, I doubt you do either 

keep thinking that

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

keep thinking that

oh in that case I guess it’s settled. Prime time 101 knows him and vouches. No further information.

[PrimeTime101]

15 hours ago, NoSaint said:

oh in that case I guess it’s settled. Prime time 101 knows him and vouches. No further information.

to much smack talk for you .. stop being idiotic

[Penfield45]

On 11/30/2020 at 7:17 PM, Bubba Gump said:

 

I think SF is in deep ***** in the upcoming years. They screwed themselves overpaying for Jimmy G. He is not a good QB. 

 

lol they have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL 

 

 

[GreggTX]

If the Bills have a deep staff of accomplished evaluators at the college & pro level, why did they draft Edmunds, Oliver and Ford so high? Beane has done both good and bad moves as GM. The jury is still out IMO.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

On 12/3/2020 at 9:09 PM, GreggTX said:

If the Bills have a deep staff of accomplished evaluators at the college & pro level, why did they draft Edmunds, Oliver and Ford so high? Beane has done both good and bad moves as GM. The jury is still out IMO.

 

[Victory Formation]

Not only may some other team may poach one, but we may find that Daboll brings Schoen or Gaines with him wherever he goes..

[gobills404]

 

[Buffalo03]

As long as Beane and McDermott are here with most of what we have now, we'll be just fine

[Warcodered]

Sucks to lose good guys but you get a reputation for being a good jumping off point and you get good people wanting to work here.

[Solomon Grundy]

On November 30, 2020 at 6:47 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We'll likely lose one or two over the next few years. Schoen is Beane's right hand man but Brian Gaine was considered a future star also but had issues in Houston. So I don't see Gaine ever getting another job. We're very deep in the front office department. 

I'd give Gaine a mulligan having to deal with O'Brien. Wonder if they were at a tug of war in trading Hopkins?

On December 3, 2020 at 9:09 PM, GreggTX said:

If the Bills have a deep staff of accomplished evaluators at the college & pro level, why did they draft Edmunds, Oliver and Ford so high? Beane has done both good and bad moves as GM. The jury is still out IMO.

The jury is still out on Ford. Oliver and Edmunds play has been impressive. I think you're really gonna see a huge jump in Oliver game next season.