Winning...But Undisciplined and Sloppy

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

They better clean things up or they won't win the Division. 

 

@ Niners

 

Steelers

 

@ Broncos

 

@ Patriots

 

Dolphins

I see 4 **** teams and the steelers. Not worried.

[Wizard]

9 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

Always happy with a win but the trend of not putting teams away is concerning. At times we just don’t play smart football and it needs to get fixed quickly. The same scenario happened in the playoffs vs Houston and they got beat because of it. This year they got bit again by AZ and came close to doing it again vs. the Chargers and Rams.

 

2nd half adjustments by the staff is alarming. We are 8-3 but getting out scored in the 2nd half.

Officiating was ridiculous and really made me question if they were trying to cover the spread.

Hoping this team can start playing a complete game in all three phases! They can beat anyone if they can.

 

Now let’s go beat the Niners!

Excellent!

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency.

 

Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability

 of not finishing off opponents.

 

A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment.  Add in the generally overly conservative second half  playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. 

 

Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish.

 

We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year.

 

Let's Go, Buffalo!

 

 

 

You clearly haven't watched a lot of the Steelers play this year.  The only undefeated team has done all this stuff too, but also doing enough to win.  Same goes for Green Bay, Rams, Seattle, Arizona, Titans, Colts, Saints, and even KC at times.  I mean this is the story of just about every team out there.  

 

What matters is how the team responds in those moments, and outside the Ten game and KC game (which the whole team was off from start to finish in those games), Bills have always responded this year.  And it took a 1 in 200 chance play for AZ to steal a win from us after we responded and drove the field for what should have been the go ahead TD after some miscues in the 4th.  

 

I have actually really liked how resilient we have been and how we have responded after mistakes.  And lets not forget, we were again missing John Brown who has been proven to be very important to the flow of the offense.  

[GunnerBill]

The big takeaway today should be that was a really promising defensive display. Not perfect by any means but that level of defensive effort will lead to more 10 points wins and fewer 3 point wins. 

[Orlando Tim]

I don't think those complaining have watched much of the other teams this year. We were sloppy but we won by 10 points in a game with a team that has not lost by much all year. We must play better to win the Super Bowl but at this point just win each game.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Two score double digit win my friend, 👍

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Even WITH a freakish late meltdown. 

 

Yes, we need to clean some things up, but win and learn. Move forward and win the next one. Get ready for a playoff run. 

 

GO BILLS! 

[chaccof]

A win is a win and darn glad they won with a -2 turnover ratio - that doesn't happen often I don't think.  What I'd like to see the team work on is their coverage on Hail Mary type passes.....geesh....almost happened again......

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Saints. They are the best team in the NFC right now.

 

Even they have had a couple games where they looked extremely shaky. This idea that winning without perfection is something to lose your sh*t over is silly. 

 

Winning is all that counts. You can be concerned about things, but you've people on this board advocating for firing McDermott/Beane which is either trolling or criminal stupidity. 

[Fixxxer]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Allen's spin was clear taunting (and I was still glad he did it because the Chargers were playing to injure people out there) and the roughing call wasn't on Tre's low tackle, they called it on Oliver for either being late or leading with his head.

That being said, the officiating crew was probably the worst unit on the field today

 

I agree that Allen's spike was deliberate, but he needs to be smarter, moreso after a great TD drive to start the 3rd QTR. 

 

Refs in general are subpar across the league, IMO. 

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Be careful, you'll be asked to go root for some other team with talk like that.

Maybe ditch the wet blanket act and you'll get treated better?  

[Best Williams Available]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't care what some fans see or choose not to see. This team is poorly coached. You can set your watch to them playing poorly in the 2nd half every week. Especially the 3rd Q.  A game this ugly and sloppy should never happen after a bye week. More stupid penalties and decisions by the players. Back to back Hail Mary's.  Really, who does that?  More dumb decisions by Josh. This team is incapable of separating from anyone, including the Jets. Yeah we'll make the playoffs but beyond that I'm keeping my expectations very low.

Going toe-to-toe with one of the worst coached teams demonstrates this fact I think. I’m not sure but maybe the reason they can’t win pretty is on the coaches and not the players. Situational awareness is amongst the worse I’ve seen in-game.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency.

 

Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability

 of not finishing off opponents.

 

A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment.  Add in the generally overly conservative second half  playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. 

 

Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish.

 

We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year.

 

Let's Go, Buffalo!

 

 

The strange thing is.... the Bills never really got in sync on offense.  Turned the ball over with 3 times over the span of 7 plays.  And scored 27 points all on offense.

 

The turnovers really sunk the team, especially Devin’s fumble.  Josh’s was bad too.  
 

That’s why the 3rd quarter struggles are so hard to pin down.  It’s a combination of poor execution by everyone - offense, defense, coaching etc
 

 

2 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

This game pretty much ended up like I expected, but a few things have me really concerned going forward:

 

1) Allen - just way too inconsistent and this was probably his worst game of the season and 2nd time this year he's had two straight below average/bad games. Without John Brown he truly seems lost and is more turnover prone constantly looking Diggs way almost every play even when double/triple covered. If this team is truly going as far as Allen and the offense takes them I still think it will be one and done in the playoffs assuming we even get there.

 

2) Coaching/3rd quarter yet again - pretty much the same deal, against a better team we lose and lose easily but thankfully we played an even worse coach today and were able to hang on. I still think McDermott needs to fire Frazier no matter what after the season even if they get to the playoffs.

 

3) Defense - yes they've played better as a whole in recent weeks but they still look completely lost at times and the zone defense has to go (see last point about Frazier). Also how on earth do you allow another hail mail to be completed after the debacle a few weeks ago? Not good and don't matter that the play didn't matter in the end.

No mention of Devin Singletary’s fumble?  I think if he holds into the football, the final score is very different.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Frazier leaves, but I don’t think it happens.  McDermott is really not under any pressure and he has tremendous respect for Frazier.  The defense seems to have gotten a little better this season as well.  Plus, we all know that McDermott is probably pretty hands-on with the defense.  No reason for him to make Frazier a scapegoat.

 

If he really does feel the defense needs an overhaul, he’ll make the move.  But again, I don’t see that as the case.

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Even they have had a couple games where they looked extremely shaky. This idea that winning without perfection is something to lose your sh*t over is silly. 

 

Winning is all that counts. You can be concerned about things, but you've people on this board advocating for firing McDermott/Beane which is either trolling or criminal stupidity. 

I’m not that guy. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Even though the game was unnerving we don’t turn the ball over we probably hang 40 on the Chargers which in retrospect is kinda cool that this offense even without John Brown can kinda score 30 on just about anyone which is a nice change 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I'm encouraged that we've run the ball exceedingly well in 2 of the last 4 games.  That phase of our game is veering toward respectability.  I like Josh hitting 400 yards but other games like this where he only has to throw 24 times are welcome too.

[Weatherman]

4 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

The Bills won all 3 of those games,  In fact, they're now 4 - 0 under McD coming off the bye.     And the 2018 game against the Jags they definitely did not come out flat.   

 

The league-wide winning % coming off a bye since 2003 is about 54%.   So it's far from a sure thing for teams to win off their bye week.  And 100% is much better than 54%.  So you're using the bye week to judge the coaching, the Bills have an all-star staff compared to the rest of the league.

Point taken, but to be fair those wins came from 2018 Jags, 2019 Phins, 2020 Chargers and all of those games were close.  Notice how we performed the week after the bye weeks.  2018 and 2019 we got destroyed.  

4 hours ago, LVGrown said:

And 3rd year in a row they've won isn't it?

Yes, the W is the most important stat but none of those victories were convincing and were against bottom feeder teams.  

[SwampD]

6 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

They better clean things up or they won't win the Division. 

 

@ Niners

 

Steelers

 

@ Broncos

 

@ Patriots

 

Dolphins

I can see the Bills winning every one of these games.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

1 minute ago, High Football IQ said:

 

This team needs to play significantly better just to make the playoffs given the upcoming schedule. SF is one game out of .500 and a playoff spot and will be extra motivated on MNF even in a possible neutral site.

 

But any talk of SB or actually winning a playoff game is a pipe dream at best because the Bills aren't close to the same class as the 3 other division leaders and have already lost decisively against two of them with the Steelers on deck in a few weeks.

 

Your prediction of finishing 6-10 or 7-9 didn't age well.

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

This team needs to play significantly better just to make the playoffs given the upcoming schedule. SF is one game out of .500 and a playoff spot and will be extra motivated on MNF even in a possible neutral site.

 

But any talk of SB or actually winning a playoff game is a pipe dream at best because the Bills aren't close to the same class as the 3 other division leaders and have already lost decisively against two of them with the Steelers on deck in a few weeks.

 

Doesn't matter what happened earlier in the year against those teams, all that matters is how they are playing when the playoffs get here. Once again, the NFL is a week to week league. What happened last week doesn't matter to this week's game and certainly not what happened 8 or 9 games ago.

[Big Blitz]

Do we actually watch the other games?

 

Literally every single team outside of Kansas City is "sloppy."  A lot.

 

The Chargers have a very good team.  They had all their studs on offense and they were neutralized.  We held Allen to 4 catches. 

 

We are getting better against the run.  And that has to be priority number 1 here down the stretch.  That and improving the run game.  

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

5 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

There's still a very real chance this team could lose out or finish 9-7.

 

I'll say this, the team I saw today has zero chance of beating the Steelers, Dolphins and Pats.....and very little chance of winning @ SF or @ Den for that matter.

 

It was expected that a true contender would come out of the bye and show separation and instead they tried their best to give the game away and were fortunate to be playing a 3 win team with a lame duck head coach.

'

Bet you thought we had no chance of beating Seattle.  

[Bermuda Triangle]

9 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

There's still a very real chance this team could lose out or finish 9-7.

 

I'll say this, the team I saw today has zero chance of beating the Steelers, Dolphins and Pats.....and very little chance of winning @ SF or @ Den for that matter.

 

It was expected that a true contender would come out of the bye and show separation and instead they tried their best to give the game away and were fortunate to be playing a 3 win team with a lame duck head coach.

I hesitate to say this, but this, especially the bolded, is just really dumb.

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, Beast said:

I did not like seeing the Bills go in low at Herbert multiple times.

 

Cheap stuff right there.

 

 

 

I don’t know.  you cant hit a QB high.  and getting low to get past the OL.   I didn’t think we were playing dirty.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

Yes I did, not going to lie about that.

 

This team is woefully inconsistent but the bigger issue with the offense is Allen seems lost when there is nobody else to throw the ball to and force it diggs way which leads to the turnovers, lack of production, etc. Just can't believe that John Brown is that important to the offense but not having a true NFL caliber TE option has also been a problem.

 

Give it a rest, Son.  Allen is so lost when there's no one but Diggs to throw the ball to, that's why Beasley has two 100 yd games and is on track to another career year, why Gabe Davis had his 3rd 80 yd (or close to it) game this season etc.

 

We could use an NFL caliber TE, that part is true.

[RyanC883]

19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Do we actually watch the other games?

 

Literally every single team outside of Kansas City is "sloppy."  A lot.

 

The Chargers have a very good team.  They had all their studs on offense and they were neutralized.  We held Allen to 4 catches. 

 

We are getting better against the run.  And that has to be priority number 1 here down the stretch.  That and improving the run game.  

 

improving the run game will be huge.  looks like we tried to today. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Give it a rest, Son.  Allen is lost....

 

He's so lost that he just spent the day making about 8-10 different big plays with his eyes and showing some of the best field vision of any QB in the league, leading the offense to a double digit win with no TE's and while both his OT's were having their worst game of the year and Winters was assembling a matador video compilation for a backup application to Bullfighting U.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He's so lost that he just spent the day making about 8-10 different big plays with his eyes and showing some of the best field vision of any QB in the league, leading the offense to a double digit win with no TE's and while both his OT's were having their worst game of the year and Winters was assembling a matador video compilation for a backup application to Bullfighting U.

 

Matador video compilation 🤣

 

I suppose he's sponsoring Dawson Knox application as well, at least that's a great description of Knox "blocking" Bosa on the play before Josh's INT where Moss got nailed deep in the backfield

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

improving the run game will be huge.  looks like we tried to today. 

Teams haven’t been planning for our run game for a number of games now. I don’t think our passing games short comings lately has all to do with Brown but a lot to do with the focus and game planning teams are putting in to stop our pass.  If we have another couple games like today where our RBs are getting big gains teams will have to adjust.... Our D has been improving too. If we can run, pass and play solid D by the time we get to playoffs we will make some noise. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Matador video compilation 🤣

 

I suppose he's sponsoring Dawson Knox application as well, at least that's a great description of Knox "blocking" Bosa on the play before Josh's INT where Moss got nailed deep in the backfield

I was really impressed with Allen's ability to keep his mind right while things were falling apart around him multiple times throughout the game.

Morse and Mongo were good again but outside that he wasn't getting a ton of help out there today. Yet he continued to stay cool and keep seeing the whole field and taking advantage of opportunities both before plays and during, while also keeping the mistakes to a minimum. If guys around him start executing at the level which he typically has been, this offense is going to be a nightmare to defend.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Weatherman said:

Point taken, but to be fair those wins came from 2018 Jags, 2019 Phins, 2020 Chargers and all of those games were close.  Notice how we performed the week after the bye weeks.  2018 and 2019 we got destroyed.  

Yes, the W is the most important stat but none of those victories were convincing and were against bottom feeder teams.  

 

I am sure the Bills will petition the league to schedule them against a good team after their bye and ask to rearrange the schedule in-season if the team they are playing after the bye proves to not be very good...you know....just to make you happy so you can't make excuses for their wins after the bye because they came against "bad" teams.  Never mind that the Steelers are 10-0 and Browns are 8-3 in large part because they play the AFC South and NFC East this year...only the Bills play bad teams tho right?

[Weatherman]

8 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I am sure the Bills will petition the league to schedule them against a good team after their bye and ask to rearrange the schedule in-season if the team they are playing after the bye proves to not be very good...you know....just to make you happy so you can't make excuses for their wins after the bye because they came against "bad" teams.  Never mind that the Steelers are 10-0 and Browns are 8-3 in large part because they play the AFC South and NFC East this year...only the Bills play bad teams tho right?

High and right much? 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Weatherman said:

High and right much? 

 

No, just tired of hearing about only the Bills not playing good teams in "x" game but ignoring the fact that other teams feast on beating bad teams for a lot of wins also.

 

There is no need to apologize for the schedule you are given but people on this board seemingly want the Bills to play the Chiefs or Steelers every week or the wins aren't "good enough".

 

 

[Weatherman]

4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

No, just tired of hearing about only the Bills not playing good teams in "x" game but ignoring the fact that other teams feast on beating bad teams for a lot of wins also.

 

There is no need to apologize for the schedule you are given but people on this board seemingly want the Bills to play the Chiefs or Steelers every week or the wins aren't "good enough".

 

 

I’m completely lost....this has nothing to do with my original post.  

[Big Blitz]

We really going to question a team that's about to put together back to back double digit win seasons, make the playoffs, and evolving into one of the best offenses in the league.

 

Our QB is also 24.  And nowhere near how great he's going to be.  He's still learning and developing.  So sometimes you're going to get sloppy like that 4th Q.  No one seems to be mentioning on that INT....his arm was definitely hit just enough.  I'd just like us to not go these stretches we forget we have Beasley.  

 

 

Get that cap space somehow in the next 2 years and get this defense into Steelers territory and we're winning a Super Bowl by 2023.  Maybe sooner.  

[BillsFan619]

9 hours ago, matter2003 said:

I dunno...I see other teams that so the same things in some games. I think it's a game to game thing and I don't really see this a lot in comparison to other teams. 

 

I think this is a situation where we watch the Bills very closely every game and we see bits and pieces of other games and we make generalizations based on seeing 100% of Bills games versus maybe 5-10% of other teams games.

Bro, I’ve had similar thoughts before. It was very well thought out and well said!

[BillsFan619]

9 hours ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

Bro, this was the Chargers worst loss of the year so far when it comes to how many points they lost by.

[buffalo2218]

3 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

 

Yes I did, not going to lie about that.

 

This team is woefully inconsistent but the bigger issue with the offense is Allen seems lost when there is nobody else to throw the ball to and force it diggs way which leads to the turnovers, lack of production, etc. Just can't believe that John Brown is that important to the offense but not having a true NFL caliber TE option has also been a problem.

That's not Allen's fault, it was clear today the Bills were more focused on the run game. Woefully inconsistent teams aren't division leaders outside of whatever team in the NFC east. And if you're gonna label the Bills inconsistent, you have to label both the Dolphins and Patriots the same as well. Need more examples? Titans getting blown out by Cinci, Raiders getting blown out by Atlanta etc. Inconsistency hits all teams, not just the Bills, saying woefully is being a tad bit inconsistent

Edited November 30, 2020 by buffalo2218

[Chandler#81]

11 hours ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, ....

 🤦‍♂️

[DCbillsfan]

11 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yeah the one on Allen you could kind of understand the call.  Did Allen think and do it deliberately near the defender or was it just instinct, I'll assume instinct, but the Moss call was silly.

I noticed during the game there was a fair amount of jawing back and forth.  52 and 43 for the Chargers were yacking it up quite a bit.  

[Beast]

6 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don’t know.  you cant hit a QB high.  and getting low to get past the OL.   I didn’t think we were playing dirty.  

If those hits were on Allen we’d all be screaming about them....and rightfully so.