Mark Vader Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: I loved the Knox pick and I have really wanted him to turn a corner. He definitely has talent - especially making difficult catches and he's shown the ability to be a wrecking machine after the catch. But his dropsies are a problem and I am concerned that he has not shown any improvement yet. I would love to keep him and love for him to get better. I'm just skeptical at this point. I understand that. Let's remember that Knox has only been in the league for one+ seasons, and he's missed a number of games this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I said it yesterday and I'll say it again, it will be devastating if he doesn't make something happen. The players know they're short and need help. The fans know it. And, I suspect the coaches know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I find really interesting that we have problems to make any move due to cap space. I checked sportrac and saw contracts we have but it is still weird that we don't have any cap space even though we don't have single player over 15m cap hit. It makes me wonder what we are going to do when Tre's, Dawkins' and Allen's contracts start counting. On a positive note, Edmunds is trying to save us from cap hell this season Most recall entering free agency we had tons of room. That Beane had done an amazing job clearing up cap space. Here is what happened: Addison $10M Butler $7.5M Jefferson $7M Klein $6M Norman $6M That is close to $40M... Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I said it yesterday and I'll say it again, it will be devastating if he doesn't make something happen. The players know they're short and need help. The fans know it. And, I suspect the coaches know it. They at least need some depth at LB and DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I said it yesterday and I'll say it again, it will be devastating if he doesn't make something happen. The players know they're short and need help. The fans know it. And, I suspect the coaches know it. Gotta have a dance partner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Most recall entering free agency we had tons of room. That Beane had done an amazing job clearing up cap space. Here is what happened: Addison $10M Butler $7.5M Jefferson $7M Klein $6M Norman $6M That is close to $40M... They at least need some depth at LB and DT. Gotta remember it is all about structure though. Nothing there long term to kill us for years to come. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Gotta have a dance partner and the money to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: Most recall entering free agency we had tons of room. That Beane had done an amazing job clearing up cap space. Here is what happened: Addison $10M Butler $7.5M Jefferson $7M Klein $6M Norman $6M That is close to $40M... They at least need some depth at LB and DT. Let's also remember that Beane gives out a lot of front loaded contracts. I highly doubt that Beane put us in a position to be in Cap Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He is on the COVID list, and unlike Madden you can trade any contact (See Kiko on PUP) Why would you trade for a guy that’s hurt tho? If that’s the case then let’s make Ertz happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Gotta remember it is all about structure though. Nothing there long term to kill us for years to come. 2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Let's also remember that Beane gives out a lot of front loaded contracts. I highly doubt that Beane put us in a position to be in Cap Hell. True. Just sucks we need some help now and seemingly are limited by some overly paid and underproducing contracts and mostly to ex-panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: and the money to make it happen. I would be surprised if that was the sticking point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why would you trade for a guy that’s hurt tho? If that’s the case then let’s make Ertz happen Because he isn't going to be hurt forever. And an Injury can be used to as a bargaining chip to lower compensation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Gotta remember it is all about structure though. Nothing there long term to kill us for years to come. True but cap going DOWN next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Random one. Do we take a page from bellicheats book and trade Hyde? Hes clearly lost a little but is still perceived as a top safety. Patriots have been great at shedding these types of players over the years. They usually had someone to slot in that could perform at or near the level of the vet being traded. Marlowe played well, but I don’t trust him, and we have little behind that. Besides, our defense is in dire need of leadership just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: True but cap going DOWN next year for everyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I would be surprised if that was the sticking point It sounds like cap space is a huge sticking point though........which is I believe what the OP meant. Not going to get much done for 5th-7th round picks if you want the other team to eat $3.5M of some expiring contract as well. Beane has been clumsy and careless with cap space.........$3M too much here, $5M too much there..........and that certainly limited what he could do now because the big motivation to trade most of these players is to save money and create cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I said it yesterday and I'll say it again, it will be devastating if he doesn't make something happen. The players know they're short and need help. The fans know it. And, I suspect the coaches know it. Devastating? It’s a game. There is nothing devastating about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Doesn’t look like many trades are happening now. There’s a definite possibility the Bills stand pt with what they have. Not a good sign at 1TDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It sounds like cap space is a huge sticking point though........which is I believe what the OP meant. Not going to get much done for 5th-7th round picks if you want the other team to eat $3.5M of some expiring contract as well. Beane has been clumsy and careless with cap space.........$3M too much here, $5M too much there..........and that certainly limited what he could do now because the big motivation to trade most of these players is to save money and create cap space. While you’re correct about the cap situation, I’m fairly confident that they could get the numbers to work if they could acquire the player(s) they’re after. I would be very surprised if that happens at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, ngbills said: Most recall entering free agency we had tons of room. That Beane had done an amazing job clearing up cap space. Here is what happened: Addison $10M Butler $7.5M Jefferson $7M Klein $6M Norman $6M That is close to $40M... They at least need some depth at LB and DT. Thanks to the contract structure, Beane made sure he can continue to enter free agency with a decent amount of coin. The cap really never matters. It’s all about contract structure. Beane doesn’t often commit himself long term for reasons such as these. Free agency is full of hits and misses, you want to be able to walk away from the misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Keep the draft picks. Too many holes on this team for a rental player when we’re not ready to contend for the super bowl....unless of course we’d get a comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 15 hours ago, BobBelcher said: wasn’t it like that when we made the surprise trade for Kb too? Yeah was thinking same thing. We plugged the leaks pretty well it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'm not sure he makes any moves either mainly because there are too many holes that need plugging. The only move I could see him making would be one that would beyond this year, but can't see him going for a one year rental. With our limited cap space, a one year rental seems like the perfect option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I’d send a 2nd rounder plus Trent Murphy for a good 1 tech DT. If a FA next year, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. I don’t have much faith in the 2021 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 sorry haven't read all 14 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Going to be lots of angry people shortly.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Going to be lots of angry people shortly.. And right after our first round exit.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: @whatdrought Latest text. Out on Atkins. 2 teams called about Knox, Bills not shopping him but teams have called. Is this open info, or something you heard outside normal media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Dud of a deadline day across the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Random one. Do we take a page from bellicheats book and trade Hyde? Hes clearly lost a little but is still perceived as a top safety. Patriots have been great at shedding these types of players over the years. wouldnt hate it in a player for player deal. throw in one of our picks to pull a higher tier player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, gordong said: And right after our first round exit.. I thought overreaction Monday was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Is this open info, or something you heard outside normal media? Stuff I hear from a little bird I trust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Stuff I hear from a little bird I trust Hear anything new? I’m jonesing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Going to be lots of angry people shortly.. In fairness, they were going to be angry regardless. Faux indignation will be the theme of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Could Star still come back this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: In fairness, they were going to be angry regardless. Faux indignation will be the theme of the day. This is truth for sure. Never knew we had this many members who could so easily predict the future. I missed the part where in seasons past every defense that played bad never got any better during the season without a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: This is truth for sure. Never knew we had this many members who could so easily predict the future. I missed the part where in seasons past every defense that played bad never got any better during the season without a trade. The scheme is the same, the players are different. A trade may not fix it but considering the performance of the same scheme the prior two years, I think it's safe to say we have a personnel problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Luka said: The scheme is the same, the players are different. A trade may not fix it but considering the performance of the same scheme the prior two years, I think it's safe to say we have a personnel problem. Possibly. But it’s kinda hard to say they won’t play better. They might be bad all year, I’m just more in the thinking they’ll improve. Maybe not to the level of years past though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said: Hear anything new? I’m jonesing! Not since last update 12 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Could Star still come back this season? Nope he is done for the year with the opt out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: Possibly. But it’s kinda hard to say they won’t play better. They might be bad all year, I’m just more in the thinking they’ll improve. Maybe not to the level of years past though. The biggest issue I can see is that the interior of the defensive line is under preforming. If you remember last year, they went out and got Jordan Phillips, Vincent Taylor etc. to sure up the interior because last year was just as bad at the beginning of the season. Then they let all those guys walk after fixing the problem and we're back to square one, also minus Star to top it off. This scheme absolutely requires dominant front 4 play to function. That's why they drafted Oliver and now Epenesa. So they see the need, but they want to employ former Panthers and it's blowing up in their faces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: In fairness, they were going to be angry regardless. Faux indignation will be the theme of the day. Let's give it some time. As in after the next 6 weeks when Buffalo hosts Seattle, visits Arizona, the bye, then home vs. the Chargers, travels to San Fran, and then back home for Pittsburgh. That stretch makes or breaks their season regardless of what, if anything, happens on deadline day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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