Are the Bills a very good team??? This is where the issue is

[Billsfan1972]

I think they are a very good team.  That is what I saw from the offense weeks 1-4.  I expected improvement on the D.

 

This is exactly why I (and others) post what I do, because I think this is the Bills year to go 11-5 (or 12-4).

 

But maybe I'm not right & this is an average team playing above their heads and the coaching staff doing a great job and maximizing their potential.  

 

Seems anytime people post expecting more, they are drowned out by 6-2 and that they've met or exceeded expectations.

 

BTW I'd much rather be right about them being a very good teram, then coaching being responsible for taking an again average to below average team to a better record then their personal befits. 

 

 

[4_kidd_4]

So you think you know, but you might not know. Solid. Got it.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, 4_kidd_4 said:

So you think you know, but you might not know. Solid. Got it.

Asking for opinions and explaining the dichotomy we see how people responded to yesterday's game.

 

If the Bills are a mediocre team talent wise, that was a greta victory.

 

As a vastly superior team to the Pats, it was a disappointing performance (and forget it was the Pats and that the Bills were playing a battered reeling 2-4 team instead).    

[Big Turk]

They don't need to be anything right now other than in position to win the division.  The only thing that matters is how they look once the playoffs start and anyone who has watched football knows that teams can rise and fall throughout the course of a season in terms of their play and the teams that make it far in the playoffs are the teams peak at the right times late in the year(think Titans last year), not the teams that are great in September and October.

Edited November 2, 2020 by matter2003

[RoyBatty is alive]

I think the Bills are an above average team right now.  

 

If the old adage is true, you are what your record say you are, how are we go to perceive the Bills after the play the Seahawks and Cardinals.  If we go 0-2 then 6-4 sounds above average  but now 6-2  is a very good/great team..

 

I would be thrilled if the Bills end up 11-5, i am thinking 11 wins is the real ceiling, our defense is terrible and every week Bills fans here always saying/hoping we will turn it around, time to get real.

[JaCrispy]

Very good? No

 

Solid? Yes

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think the Bills are an above average team right now.  

 

If the old adage is true, you are what your record say you are, how are we go to perceive the Bills after the play the Seahawks and Cardinals.  If we go 0-2 then 6-4 sounds above average  but now 6-2  is a very good/great team..

 

I would be thrilled if the Bills end up 11-5, i am thinking 11 wins is the real ceiling, our defense is terrible and every week Bills fans here always saying/hoping we will turn it around, time to get real.

Thank you for an actual answer......😉

 

Most seem just to point to the W/L and go 6-2!!!

[Codyny13]

We are not elite. We are not the Chiefs, or one the few teams on that top tier, and I think collectively we need to enjoy wins more than pouting about not winning by enough. We did such few winning for the best part of 2 decades, until we were lucky enough to get some guys to lead us into an era where we’re competing for playoffs year in and year out and now it seems from half the posters we want to fire and run these guys out of here. How quickly we forget we’ve been a laughing stock for a long time, personally, and I take it very personally, I wish we could back the team more. That doesn’t go without criticism, and there’s many things that happen during the course of the game that make me want to put my hand through the TV, but when the end of the game comes, and a W goes in that left column, I wish I could dap all them guys up.

[MAJBobby]

They are a 6-2 Division Leading Football team.

 

That is really all that matters at this point.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Interesting if you look at the odds all year, the Bills have won the games they were favored in and lost the games they were the underdog, so apparently they are about as good as most think they are.  in 3 of their wins they were dead even on the spread too and the other three they slightly beat the spread.

[K-9]

Still a few players away. But at least one of those players isn’t a QB who can win us some games and we are trending in the right direction.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Very good? No

 

Solid? Yes

 

I went to yahoo sports to look up update NFL power rankings.  They have us listed as #8, I would be thrilled if that were true.  They have the Titans and the Green Bay packers worse than  us which I think is absurd.

[Billsflyer12]

Team Off - 13th

           Def - 17th

 

Turnovers - 17th

Point Differential is -1

 

Looks average offense, below average defense with the Top 3 team offensive teams next on our schedule.

 

[Rc2catch]

The league has not changed that much. 
Good teams win in all kinds of different ways. 
KC ran it down our throats even though they haven’t been a great run team. 
Miami won yesterday with a punt return, fumble return, and barely any pass or run game. 
The issue people have is a win is a win is a win. Why be negative? We shoulda blown them out on paper? Go back to the pregame Tennessee thread. Fans though we were gonna destroy that team. (They couldn’t practice in case nobody heard 😜) 

Any given Sunday. I don’t think there’s a fan out there who disagrees the team plays soft. So why would we expect to just manhandle opponents who have less talent? It’s like fans expect lesser teams to just roll over and die. When the defense gets no turnovers and gives up huge 3rd and longs other teams are gonna stay in the game. Until yesterday we had one of the worst run games in the league. But back to the original point, every team needs to be able to step up in other areas to win games. Other teams considered better than us lost yesterday to inferior teams at least we pulled one out. (We generally give those games away) 

[34-78-83]

Something I learned from watching one of the Steelers SuperBowl runs unfold where they took a wildcard spot and won it all... Each game is its own unique entity. Not a drop of energy by players or game coaches needs to be spent (other then scouts etc.) on any other opponent than the next one on the schedule. Its the "taking it one game a t a time" cliche but it hold so true. Knowing that the Bills have ENOUGH talent overall to at least hang with any team, this approach will give them a chance to beat any team they face.

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They would not be considered a "very good team" IMO. They are average and I think the last 8 games of the season will prove this. They will win 2-3 games at most the rest of the way.

 

The first 4 games, the MVP and COY talk was all very premature like I was saying at the time, but ofc getting blasted for not being a "fan". lol

 

Allen is a mid 60's completion QB who has flashes but likely will never be elite like Mahomes or Roethlisberger, as AFC examples.

 

McDermott is middling at best and Belichick nearly beat him yesterday with an over the hill/aging vet QB and 3rd string WR's.

 

Allen is a keeper but will probably never be hoisting the Lombardi. McDermott on the other hand is not a keeper IMO, his "process" is suspect as his teams underachieve where with other coaches would be much more productive, if not excelling.

 

If McDermott is as good as some of you say he'd lead this team to a 6-2 finish to the season winning against better teams via game planning and calling, but we all know he's not capable, he can barely beat the teams he's supposed to beat...

Do you have a recommendation for a better coach? 
 

Or examples of the 14-15 coaches you think are better than McDermott? 

[sullim4]

I think the better question is -- can the team win a playoff game?

 

Likely opponents right now, assuming they win the division, appear to be Baltimore, Cleveland, Indianapolis, and the Raiders.  Baltimore would be the toughest out of the group (and the most likely, should the Bills get the 4th seed).  I think the Bills could beat the other three teams.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

6-2 record masks a more middle of the pack team.

 

offense points per game have dropped from 30 in games 1-4 to 19 in games 5-8.

 

I guess it comes down to...and forget the record...

 

Do they look to be...

 

Improving...Middling...Regressing?

 

Offense - Regressing

Defense - Middling

Special Teams - Middling

 

Personally ranking them in AFC I would say...6th.

 

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Something I learned from watching one of the Steelers SuperBowl runs unfold where they took a wildcard spot and won it all... Each game is its own unique entity. Not a drop of energy by players or game coaches needs to be spent (other then scouts etc.) on any other opponent than the next one on the schedule. Its the "taking it one game a t a time" cliche but it hold so true. Knowing that the Bills have ENOUGH talent overall to at least hang with any team, this approach will give them a chance to beat any team they face.

excellent post. In the grand scheme of things I think you hit the nail right on the head. Coming out of any NFL game with a Win is an achievement and it takes a lot of pieces working together including coaching, scheme. game plan, execution, lack of penalties, lack of turnovers, accuracy, lack of mistakes...all those things ...each game taken as a distinct challenge and overcoming your own deficiencies and exploiting theirs.......That is what produces wins and a bit of luck never hurts either haha.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They would not be considered a "very good team" IMO. They are average and I think the last 8 games of the season will prove this. They will win 2-3 games at most the rest of the way.

 

The first 4 games, the MVP and COY talk was all very premature like I was saying at the time, but ofc getting blasted for not being a "fan". lol

 

Allen is a mid 60's completion QB who has flashes but likely will never be elite like Mahomes or Roethlisberger, as AFC examples.

 

McDermott is middling at best and Belichick nearly beat him yesterday with an over the hill/aging vet QB and 3rd string WR's.

 

Allen is a keeper but will probably never be hoisting the Lombardi. McDermott on the other hand is not a keeper IMO, his "process" is suspect as his teams underachieve where with other coaches would be much more productive, if not excelling.

 

If McDermott is as good as some of you say he'd lead this team to a 6-2 finish to the season winning against better teams via game planning and calling, but we all know he's not capable, he can barely beat the teams he's supposed to beat...

You would be the first person to ever say this, other than a couple other clueless folk we have on the board.

 

in 2017, they year the world said we were tanking, he made the playoffs....we didn’t have 1 nfl caliber WR or TE.  Yet he underachieved.

 

after a down 2018 with a raw qb that wasn’t supposed to even play for a year or two, he goes 10-6 and was a terrible “blindside block” call from beating the texans and winning at least one playoff game.  It took watson bouncing off 2 tacklers (maybe it’s McDs fault for drawing up that play to get two blotters hit him at the same exact time) and looking like Superman to beat us.  
 

now we’re 6-2 while our defenses’ QB, Edmunds, is trying to figure out how to play the game again after being injured and while losing his 1 tech.  We don’t have a replacement 1 tech, which is our FOs biggest blunder of the season (not replacing Star). Our secondary is constantly banged up.  We have the worst LB in the NFL playing a lot of snaps (McBs second biggest blunder).  
 

our two losses were against the two best teams in the afc last season.  But yeah, McD is an “under achiever” as if we are the most loaded team in the league that should be 7-1 or 8-0.

 

you don’t like McD.  Fine.  I get it. Just don’t make stuff up. 

[Kwai San]

I think the team that seemingly no one discusses is Pitt.  As much as I am NOT a Squealers fan they are looking dang good and worry me more than anyone left on the Bills remaining sched.  Yes the Hawks, Cards and Niners are going to be a HUGE test but that Pitt game is gonna be a men against boys game if it were played this week.  That being said - anything can happen.

 

I think the Bills are a slightly above average team right now still trying to figger itself out.  The next 8 games are going to be a huge challenge but we all knew this before they even blew the first whistle.

 

Go Bills!!

[Billsflyer12]

11 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Do you have a recommendation for a better coach? 
 

Or examples of the 14-15 coaches you think are better than McDermott? 

There are 16 NFL Coaches I would trade for McDermott.  Doesn’t include college coaches I would take over him.

 

Harbaugh, Reid, Tomlin, Payton, McVay, Vrabel, Arians, Carroll, Shananhan, Pederson, Belichick, Flores, Reich, LaFleur, Rhule, Kingsbury

 

He is very average, and very boring in every way.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Billsflyer12

[TH3]

Just now, Billsflyer12 said:

The are 16 NFL I would trade for McDermott.  Doesn’t include college coaches I would take over him.

 

Harbaugh, Reid, Tomlin, Payton, McVay, Vrabel, Arians, Carroll, Shananhan, Pederson, Belichick, Flores, Reich, LaFleur, Rhule, Kingsbury

Prepare to be disappointed for several years

[Billsflyer12]

2 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Prepare to be disappointed for several years

Yep, for sure.

[aristocrat]

get klein off the field and milano on all the time and maybe thats the difference with the d.  klein was just abused.

[Hebert19]

Issue with D is simple we just don't have the personnel to take 2 things away.  

 

Missing star and having average LBs means we get gashed by the run if we don't put 7 or 8 in the box.  And because of the same reason with LBs and the fact we play so much zone we can't take away the pass without dropping 6 or 7...and Drone gets no pressure.  

 

We need a new LB and a new space eating DT. 

[NickelCity]

I don't feel like we're a *very* good team. The next 8 games look brutal. I'm glad we got the jets and pats* when we did, because we haven't been playing very well. 

 

I'm desperate to be wrong. I really, really want a 1tech to come in and cause things to fall into place. 

[Billsfan1972]

And half the replies again have not answered the question. 

 

Based on the Personnel, are the Bills an above average Football team?

 

This was a top 3 defense in 2019 and now looks terrible, and the Offense was top 5 weeks 1-4 and now looks suspect.

 

 

[JGMcD2]

20 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Any coach who does not think winning games in the NFL is up to the grace of GOD would be a good start I think.

Yeah, probably. 
 

I’m pretty sure he just wakes up every morning and prays the Bills win. Prays that God writes a good game plan. Prays that God call a timeout when they need it. Prays that God forces a turnover. Prays that God set a good culture at OBD. Prays that God doesn’t throw a flag. 
 

This is probably all they talk about in team meetings. “Now Josh, if God throws a flag tomorrow, you can’t be upset. There’s a reason for it!” 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Any coach who does not think winning games in the NFL is up to the grace of GOD would be a good start I think.

Make more stuff up.  Makes you look really credible

[teef]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You would be the first person to ever say this, other than a couple other clueless folk we have on the board.

 

in 2017, they year the world said we were tanking, he made the playoffs....we didn’t have 1 nfl caliber WR or TE.  Yet he underachieved.

 

after a down 2018 with a raw qb that wasn’t supposed to even play for a year or two, he goes 10-6 and was a terrible “blindside block” call from beating the texans and winning at least one playoff game.  It took watson bouncing off 2 tacklers (maybe it’s McDs fault for drawing up that play to get two blotters hit him at the same exact time) and looking like Superman to beat us.  
 

now we’re 6-2 while our defenses’ QB, Edmunds, is trying to figure out how to play the game again after being injured and while losing his 1 tech.  We don’t have a replacement 1 tech, which is our FOs biggest blunder of the season (not replacing Star). Our secondary is constantly banged up.  We have the worst LB in the NFL playing a lot of snaps (McBs second biggest blunder).  
 

our two losses were against the two best teams in the afc last season.  But yeah, McD is an “under achiever” as if we are the most loaded team in the league that should be 7-1 or 8-0.

 

you don’t like McD.  Fine.  I get it. Just don’t make stuff up. 

it's amazing.  on sirius nfl this morning, they were singing the praises of this staff, and how they're making the bills a regular playoff face.   people who work in football are impressed with the improvement, but if you read on here, this team is a disaster. 

 

it's honestly the same 10 posters or so that make the most noise.  we can all list them easily.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I think they are a very good team.  That is what I saw from the offense weeks 1-4.  I expected improvement on the D.

 

This is exactly why I (and others) post what I do, because I think this is the Bills year to go 11-5 (or 12-4).

 

But maybe I'm not right & this is an average team playing above their heads and the coaching staff doing a great job and maximizing their potential.  

 

Seems anytime people post expecting more, they are drowned out by 6-2 and that they've met or exceeded expectations.

 

BTW I'd much rather be right about them being a very good teram, then coaching being responsible for taking an again average to below average team to a better record then their personal befits. 

 

 

I think the 2020 Bills are the 2019 Bills. 

 

They are regressing towards 20 ppg and having to win tight games. 

 

WGR just keeps talking about "the first four games", but I don't see that happening to the tune of 300-400 yards passing as it was. I can see getting to 250 yards again, and 2 TDs. 

 

They look like a Playoff team, who goes out Wildcard weekend.  

[JGMcD2]

17 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

There are 16 NFL Coaches I would trade for McDermott.  Doesn’t include college coaches I would take over him.

 

Harbaugh, Reid, Tomlin, Payton, McVay, Vrabel, Arians, Carroll, Shananhan, Pederson, Belichick, Flores, Reich, LaFleur, Rhule, Kingsbury

 

He is very average, and very boring in every way.

I got it. Needs to be overly flashy is a qualification for a good HC. 
 

I can agree with a majority of those guys are ahead of McDermott . Harbaugh, Reid, Tomlin, Payton, Carroll, Belichick, Pederson, Shannahan, Vrabel. 
 

McVay is interesting to me. After taking the NFL by storm things have been up and down. I guess once you get the reputation of an early riser you can sleep until noon. Or is it because his wife is hot and he has cool hair that’s he’s a good coach? 
 

I’m not sure what Kingsbury, Rhule, Reich, LaFluer or Flores have really shown that would make me jump at them over McDermott. 
 

I mean Rhule, Reich and Flores are basically a similar quantity. Faith based, culture based, etc. I like them a lot. Although if you don’t like McDermott’s style then you can’t like Rhule’s his a cross between McDermott and a preacher. 

Ultimately I’ve got Sean in the 10-13 range... with all of those guys in the second paragraph and McVay ahead of him. If you think you can upgrade on that, let me know where you’d find them... 

 

We’re not getting any of those guys... any NFL OC/DC you think would be better than Sean? College coaches? 
 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, teef said:

it's amazing.  on sirius nfl this morning, they were singing the praises of this staff, and how they're making the bills a regular playoff face.   people who work in football are impressed with the improvement, but if you read on here, this team is a disaster. 

 

it's honestly the same 10 posters or so that make the most noise.  we can all list them easily.

The Bills look like a Playoff team. 

 

But you look at the halfway point, and are they much better than the 2019 Bills? 

 

They look about the same. The offense is better with Moss over Gore, Allen and Diggs. But the defense has slipped. 

 

So do I see breaking the Playoff Win drought? That looks iffy right now. 

 

Trade deadline tomorrow...

[MJS]

Sorry. I'm not going to apologize for the team winning games.

 

Let the season play out and evaluate afterward.

[Billsfan1972]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think the 2020 Bills are the 2019 Bills. 

 

They are regressing towards 20 ppg and having to win tight games. 

 

WGR just keeps talking about "the first four games", but I don't see that happening to the tune of 300-400 yards passing as it was. I can see getting to 250 yards again, and 2 TDs. 

 

They look like a Playoff team, who goes out Wildcard weekend.  

I disagree.  Vs. Seattle & Arizona, they should throw for 350.  They have the QB & the talent.

 

However I may be the one wearing rose coloured glasses.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[ILBillsfan]

I think the bills are a one tech stud and guard from being a dominant if force

[GoBills808]

Having to win close games, the horror!

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills look like a Playoff team. 

 

But you look at the halfway point, and are they much better than the 2019 Bills? 

 

They look about the same. The offense is better with Moss over Gore, Allen and Diggs. But the defense has slipped. 

 

So do I see breaking the Playoff Win drought? That looks iffy right now. 

 

Trade deadline tomorrow...

it's very iffy.  a minimum we've seen what the offense can do.  i have a feeling this defense will be our issue all year, but this offense, especially if the run game can it going, could return to form...could.  there's a ton of season left.  doesn't it feel like opening day was forever ago?

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

it's amazing.  on sirius nfl this morning, they were singing the praises of this staff, and how they're making the bills a regular playoff face.   people who work in football are impressed with the improvement, but if you read on here, this team is a disaster. 

 

it's honestly the same 10 posters or so that make the most noise.  we can all list them easily.

Yup.  I was going to call each of them out but decided to not get banned.  
 

its as if COVID brought these virus-like posters with it.  Maybe they were created in China.  It feels like when BBMB was shut down and we were infested with the worst of the worst from bbmb.  Luckily, most didn’t last long and the ones that stuck around turned out to be valuable members.  Hopefully something is done soon or I’ll be getting banned for life.  They don’t bring anything positive to the community. Literally, nothing