Postgame Thread Bills vs. Patriots

[Reks Ryan]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That was flat out embarrassing. 

I rewatched the game.  That was a terrific hard hitting energetic game  The Bills D played with urgency that last drive and finally made a big play.  
 

proud to be a fan of this team. Hardly embarrassing

[Rocky Landing]

Up for grabs???

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-east-torch-up-for-grabs-with-patriots-sputtering

[Don Otreply]

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[Augie]

52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What the hell did I just see?

Amazon will have that at your door by the end of the day tomorrow. 

 

What it fixes is strictly your business! 

[HOF Wingman]

29 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

I think they’re realists and can see what’s actually going on. A W against a depleted team at home like this is not good. The last 2 weeks were like getting a D+ on an open book quiz

Yes it is. We don’t ever apologize for victory. Good teams find ways to win games when it’s not going your way. If New England is a depleted team, what are we? We are as banged up now as we have been in a long time. Two starters in the secondary missing. Two top linebackers who probably shouldn’t even be playing. Lost our center on the first play and still ran over the Patriots. I’ll take the gutty win every day of the week. We are 6-2 and in first place. Enjoy the Ride.

[BillsMafia13]

1 minute ago, HOF Wingman said:

Yes it is. We don’t ever apologize for victory. Good teams find ways to win games when it’s not going your way. If New England is a depleted team, what are we? We are as banged up now as we have been in a long time. Two starters in the secondary missing. Two top linebackers who probably shouldn’t even be playing. Lost our center on the first play and still ran over the Patriots. I’ll take the gutty win every day of the week. We are 6-2 and in first place. Enjoy the Ride.

Do not compare what NE has lost to what we lost this year. It was literally their heart and half the team, it’s best players at that. You may only see the W, but I see a game we lost until zimmer saved us. Allen looks terrible so does the D against TERRIBLE teams. This level of play against even a good team will get us obliterated 

[BillzFreak]

6 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Do not compare what NE has lost to what we lost this year. It was literally their heart and half the team, it’s best players at that. You may only see the W, but I see a game we lost until zimmer saved us. Allen looks terrible so does the D against TERRIBLE teams. This level of play against even a good team will get us obliterated 

So we lost a game never being down on the scoreboard...interesting.

[BillsFan692]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Concussion.  Since he has a history and basically took a month to come back from the last one, could be bad.  Good News is how seamlessly Feliciano took over at center, having Zero practice snaps with Josh this week.  I love me some Mongo!

Feliciano is definitely my "new favorite" bills player and he had a hell of a game today I thought. Especially when he threw zack moss over the goal line LOL.

 

Still hoping morses situation was mild because then our oline will be in real good shape.

 

I think Belichick out coached himself today with that onside fiasco but usually mcdermott is on the short end of the stick so we'll take it!

[BillsMafia13]

25 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

So we lost a game never being down on the scoreboard...interesting.

You’re just hearing what you want but ok. We lost the game until zimmer saved us. And we’re getting worse and worse each week 

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

You’re just hearing what you want but ok. We lost the game until zimmer saved us. And we’re getting worse and worse each week 

Except we didn’t. It woulda been 3rd and about 3 with a chance to hold them to a fg. 
 

it’s funny to me that you are accusing somebody else of hearing only what they want but then say foolish things like “we lost the game”. That’s dumb. Don’t do it. 

[BillsMafia13]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Except we didn’t. It woulda been 3rd and about 3 with a chance to hold them to a fg. 
 

it’s funny to me that you are accusing somebody else of hearing only what they want but then say foolish things like “we lost the game”. That’s dumb. Don’t do it. 

How many times have you seen that before, NE marching down field end of the game. One can be happy with our record on paper and still see the glaring flaws a team has without being dumb. Think bigger my dude 

[Stank_Nasty]

14 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

How many times have you seen that before, NE marching down field end of the game. One can be happy with our record on paper and still see the glaring flaws a team has without being dumb. Think bigger my dude 

What the heck to previous games have to do with this one? I’m 100% aware this is a flawed squad with ample things to improve. I’m also aware saying we had the game lost is sorta dumb. That’s simply not the case. 
 

Plenty of GOOD teams win games and could have lost if not for a huge play down the stretch. It’s silly to say we had that game lost. That’s not the case. If he simply goes down we are in 3rd and 3 playing to hold to an FG. 
 

I honestly don’t think I’m the one that needs to work on my thinking here. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[syhuang]

 

[sonyab1974]

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[Freddie's Dead]

LOL on the highlights show.  "The law firm of Zimmer and Marlowe combine for the fumble recovery to seal the win for the Bills".

[GETTOTHE50]

5 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Up for grabs???

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-east-torch-up-for-grabs-with-patriots-sputtering

 

this Judy chick is an idiot. The patriots are on a 4 game skid with no playmakers and their bye in the rear-view mirror. I'd be pretty shocked if they made the playoffs.

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, BillzFreak said:

We could of won by 50 and yet it still wouldn't make a difference to the negative people on here. I get we have issues that need to be fixed but we just beat a team with arguably the greatest head coach of all time and it does feel good. I swear some of these people are only happy if they can complain, it's really sad to be a fan of football if you cant ever enjoy a win.

I hear you. As a fan, I welcome the win as well as the constructive criticism. I can never understand why fans have such a difficult time accepting both. The win feels great and the criticism doesn't take away its sweetness. Imho, the criticism is warranted and welcomed. The end result we want is a super bowl ring. It's not a squeaked out win that continues to illustrate our vulnerabilities. We are 6-2 with much work ahead, glaring defensive holes, and a sputtering inconsistent offense. We won despite it which says a lot about the character of the team. Why isn't ok to criticize and compliment?

[Chandler#81]

How it went down.

 

[GETTOTHE50]

9 hours ago, stevewin said:

What did Zimmer say?

 

 

 

99% sure he says, "I love all you guys, no *****" lmfaoooooooo

 

***the stars bleep out the first part of HOMOsexual.

Edited November 2, 2020 by GETTOTHE50
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[BananaB]

4 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

How many times have you seen that before, NE marching down field end of the game. One can be happy with our record on paper and still see the glaring flaws a team has without being dumb. Think bigger my dude 

 
If you seen this over and over again where NE marches down the field to end the game, shouldn’t you be happy someone stepped up and made a play? 
 

What’s the difference between a  D making a play to close the game and an O scoring on a game winning drive? 
 

Just confused man.  A win is a win. In the early 2000s the Patriots won a lot of close not so pretty football games. They didn’t always look the part but they managed to find ways to win. 

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

Do you think Bates could’ve called protections as well as Mongo?

 

Well, he's smart enough to play five positions on the o-line. So, yes, I do think he's capable of doing that.

[SCBills]

7 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

How many times have you seen that before, NE marching down field end of the game. One can be happy with our record on paper and still see the glaring flaws a team has without being dumb. Think bigger my dude 

I mean, you claim Allen looked terrible today... that makes you sound dumb.  

[ALF]

Zimmer/Marlowe nuff said  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

 

Milano also played less snaps yesterday than he did last week. He is definitely struggling with the injury.

[CodeMonkey]

14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So true. Today was an opportunity to take advantage of a depleted Belichick team and maybe exorcise some demons. But instead our mediocre coaching staff and several struggling players survived a game they most definitely would have lost. These last 4 weeks makes you reevaluate this teams ability in the playoffs? 

They should still make the playoffs, just look at the [lack of] strength of the AFCE

Making some noise in the playoffs?  Certainly does not look like it right now.

[clayboy54]

3 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

Well, he's smart enough to play five positions on the o-line. So, yes, I do think he's capable of doing that.

I do believe that the real value in a top center is setting the line and calling and adjusting protections, which no doubt Bates is capable of. However, the key is years of experience is sliding protections to the D's strength. I don't think Bates is ready for that...yet.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I would love to know if anyone asked Gabe Davis or anyone else about that dropped TD— ie, whether the wind affected that ball, etc. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I would love to know if anyone asked Gabe Davis or anyone else about that dropped TD— ie, whether the wind affected that ball, etc. 

 

the ball was on target.   

even if the ball moved a little he should have adjusted. 

[TigerJ]

16 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I was happy with Marlowe performance in place of Hyde. 
 

AJ Klein needs to be taken off the football field. 

Yeah, Klein seems to be a significant liability.  Hopefully, the new guy they just signed can pick up the defense quickly and will click in this scheme.  At least he can run.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Sal tweeted out the snap counts:

 

 

 

I'm not sure he's correct that Milano played fewer snaps than last week ---- OK, I looked, he is correct, but it's not a huge difference, 15 vs 19 last week.

Point is Milano is clearly still on a snap count and playing hindered.

[BillsMafia13]

 

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

I mean, you claim Allen looked terrible today... that makes you sound dumb.  

It must be a heavy burden knowing you’re so much smarter than everyone. If you aren’t concerned with his play the last couple weeks I envy your blissful ignorance 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

the ball was on target.   

even if the ball moved a little he should have adjusted. 

 

Gabe is a guy who looked all-world his first few games and seems to be struggling now.  I wonder what's up - did he get a few "Welcome to the NFL, Rookie!" hits against Tennessee (9 targets, 5 receptions) and KC and now he's hearing footsteps?  Obviously some of the lack of contribution is not his fault, like a TD being called back because Gilliam wasn't on the LOS or the INT in Tenn. or some of the balls Josh has tried to force in when he's double-covered. 

 

But other aspects, like that TD and pretty sure I saw a ball right in his breadbasket early where he was going to be hit and hit hard, but he should have had that one.

[SCBills]

27 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

 

It must be a heavy burden knowing you’re so much smarter than everyone. If you aren’t concerned with his play the last couple weeks I envy your blissful ignorance 

Why would I be concerned with a 300 yard passing game against the Jets and a game where we ran the ball against NE with the wind and 7 DB look all game?  
 

Both teams forced Allen to do what he hasn’t done... take the short stuff (Jets) and allow the running game to take over (Pats). 
 

I think Josh is going to have to step up against Seattle and do much, much better than he did against KC.  Won’t argue that.   I also hope Brown is finally healed up, because Davis is not ready to be that WR2. 

[BillsMafia13]

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why would I be concerned with a 300 yard passing game against the Jets and a game where we ran the ball against NE with the wind and 7 DB look all game?  
 

Both teams forced Allen to do what he hasn’t done... take the short stuff (Jets) and allow the running game to take over (Pats). 
 

I think Josh is going to have to step up against Seattle and do much, much better than he did against KC.  Won’t argue that.   I also hope Brown is finally healed up, because Davis is not ready to be that WR2. 

104.6, 146.7, 128.9, 115.8, 77.6,  73.4,  90, 65.5. Those are his ratings week by week and the last 2 weeks will be the easiest he gets all season. Congrats on a 300 yard game against the jets, somethings not the same but idk what it is 

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said:

104.6, 146.7, 128.9, 115.8, 77.6,  73.4,  90, 65.5. Those are his ratings week by week and the last 2 weeks will be the easiest he gets all season. Congrats on a 300 yard game against the jets, somethings not the same but idk what it is 

Seattle & Arizona are terrible defensively.  No reason outside McD that Josh shouldn't have 300+ vs both (and 30+ points). 

[BillsMafia13]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Seattle & Arizona are terrible defensively.  No reason outside McD that Josh shouldn't have 300+ vs both (and 30+ points). 

I would feel more confident saying that about the jets and deflated pats. “No reason” hardly holds up with the bills 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

Joe B take:

https://theathletic.com/2174241/2020/11/02/patriots-bills-observations/

Praise for Mongo: "Feliciano has been the Bills’ preferred backup center to Morse since last season. His rust showed up on a couple of plays, including when he allowed a quarterback hit after losing a block. Overall though, when Allen dropped back to pass, he had time, and Feliciano steadying the line after Morse’s departure played a big role in that."

Linebacker SOS: "Just like last week, Milano only played on obvious passing downs, such as third-and-long or end-of-half situations. Of the 67 defensive snaps for the Bills, my unofficial count had Milano at 15 (22 percent). That pushed Klein into a nearly every-down role and allowed for the young Andre Smith to work in on defense as the weak-side linebacker. Smith actually out-snapped Milano 16 to 15. The Bills’ lack of depth at linebacker on top of all of the injuries have really tested the defense this season. They haven’t been able to find consistent success with a below-average backup and a special teams player filtering in as their third linebacker. The run defense struggled as a result, leading to multiple opportunities for New England in the second half. The Bills need help at linebacker, whether from the expected signing of Darron Lee or at the trade deadline. What they have right now has become a clear liability."

Harrison Phillips: Phillips, once a staple of the team’s rotation, had become the Bills’ fifth-best defensive tackle of five and a healthy scratch in recent weeks. It’s difficult to ignore the message the Bills were sending to their former third-round pick. Players selected that early are supposed to become starters or, at least, dependable depth options. And with ten defensive linemen on the roster and the trade deadline around the corner, a change of scenery might serve Phillips well. .....Phillips started the game next to Ed Oliver and played nearly 60 percent of defensive snaps. The results, however, weren’t all that promising. Phillips was on the field for 26 rushing attempts, on which the Patriots gained 147 yards (5.7 yards per carry). Phillips wore down on the inside in the second half, as the Bills allowed 114 yards and 6.7 yards per carry over the final two quarters. While the coaches’ film will reveal how much Phillips was at fault for some of those breakdowns, it’s never a good sign when the starting one-technique defensive tackle was on the field for a number of significant gains up the middle of the defense.

 

I'm not sure Joe B and Matt Fairburn have been right about benching Phillips being a sign of impending trade.  McDermott talked differently about Phillips than he's talked about players he's given up on and we were about to trade like Zay Jones.  Earlier in the season, Frazier commented that Phillips made some good plays early in the game but wore down.  Feliciano talked about how two weeks ago he wasn't ready, but the S&C staff did a good job putting him on a program to build up conditioning and strength quickly.  I think the Bills may have been trying something similar with Phillips - playing inevitably hinders building strength and building conditioning because of the need for recovery and the inevitable dings and dents.  Unfortunately, if that was their plan, the overall results would tend to indicate mixed success because the Patriots definitely wore down the Bills D in the 2nd half.

 

The next 36 hrs will be very interesting, to see what the Bills do (or don't do) before the Trade deadline.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Seattle & Arizona are terrible defensively.  No reason outside McD that Josh shouldn't have 300+ vs both (and 30+ points). 

 

Arizona is currently #9 on PPG given up on D.    If you just look at the current standings which are a wreck because so many teams have played different # of games, they're 6th.

 

Seattle has legit ? on D. They're at #24 on PPG given up.  28 ppg

[Billsatlastin2018]

19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

There are no “great” defenses in the nfl this year 

Outside the Steelers, perhaps!

 

However, the entire D is a 5 Alarm Tire Fire! I simply cannot recall a Bills D, being sooooo badly out of position on so many plays, being unable to cover, woefully poor at Tackling, of course, unable to Rush, and farcically, bottom feeding INEPT on 3rd. & longs!

 

It’s a freaking disaster! And unless corrected, the Bills will limp through to the Playoffs, where McClapper will be 0-3. Outside the Eagles, there are NO stiffs in the Playoffs!