Wizard Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking... What do board members believe constitutes a signature win? Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week? I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. Will a Bills win against NE be signature level? Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.) What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year? Let's discuss. Edited October 26, 2020 by Wizard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Whaaaaaaat? That is literally 10 questions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 McClappy has never won a big game. 0 signature wins. Most overrated coach in league. Hope he makes me eat my words. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Last year's Cowboys win wasn't really a signature win although it did give us some national exposure. Beat NE twice and either Seattle or Arizona and that would be a signature sequence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 McDs signature wins come all the time. Unfortunately they are nail bitters against teams we should blow out. But hey, we get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) “A road victory against a frequent playoff team” That. But, I would settle for a Home W, as well. McClapper’s record against Playoff Teams of the same year is actually WORSE than all the clueless stumblebums, we have witnessed as so called HCs this Millenium. Pre McD? 19-78 (24%) The Clapper 2017 = 2-4 2018 = 0-7 2019 = 1- 4 2020 = 0-2 ? TOTAL = 3 - 17 20% He really hasn’t had a “signature win.” Edited October 26, 2020 by Billsatlastin2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, McBean said: McClappy has never won a big game. 0 signature wins. Most overrated coach in league. Hope he makes me eat my words. I think making the playoffs in 2 of his first 3 seasons already does that. This will be season 3 of 4 making the playoffs and the team is still growing. 1 minute ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: “? A road victory against a frequent playoff team” That. But, I would settle for a Home W, as well. McClapper’s record against Playoff Teams of the same year is actually WORSE than all the clueless stumblebums, we have witnessed as so called HCs this Millenium. Pre McD? 19-78 (24%) The Clapper 2017 = 2-4 2018 = 0-7 2019 = 1- 4 2020 = 0-2 ? TOTAL = 3 - 17 20% He really hasn’t had a “signature win.” Except the others lose to teams like the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 For the first time ever in the 21st century against the Cheats, the Bills have the advantage at the most important position, QB. Unfortunately, we are outmanned at HC. Belicheat knows all the tricks (and cheats), and we won't have a crowd to make any noise. If we have any chance to win the AFCE, next week is WWII (my favorite Marv Levy quote). McD needs to start there. Slay the Cheating Dragon to get to 6-2. We'll look for the next statement win after that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: I think making the playoffs in 2 of his first 3 seasons already does that. This will be season 3 of 4 making the playoffs and the team is still growing. Interesting sidebar, but only because this team has been so abysmal for a generation. Making the Playoffs as a WC should not be a significant yearly goal- winning your division with a 1/2 Seed should. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Beating our nemesis and then Seattle back to back would be a good start toward erasing our image of only beating losers. Burying the Pats dynasty and then beating the likely MVP would be big time wins.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Except the others lose to teams like the Jets. True. But, I never want to lower the bar to say... “Lookee here. We’re better than the Clowns“ or pick your yearly bottom feeders. That is not upward progress. EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Billsatlastin2018 said: Interesting sidebar, but only because this team has been so abysmal for a generation. Making the Playoffs as a WC should not be a significant yearly goal- winning your division with a 1/2 Seed should. Yes because so many teams do that every year. The goal is likely the division this year and we will win it. There is no WC for us this year. We have a commanding lead and Miami got started too late and they are our only in division threat. We are 3-0 in division while they are 1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: For the first time ever in the 21st century against the Cheats, the Bills have the advantage at the most important position, QB. Unfortunately, we are outmanned at HC. Belicheat knows all the tricks (and cheats), and we won't have a crowd to make any noise. If we have any chance to win the AFCE, next week is WWII (my favorite Marv Levy quote). McD needs to start there. Slay the Cheating Dragon to get to 6-2. We'll look for the next statement win after that. McD needs to start with defensive schemes. If this team wants to win a make a post season run, the defense has to find its identity. Right now, it’s identity is that of pathetic bums. If McD van scheme out D back to being average, I feel we can make a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Locomark said: Beating our nemesis and then Seattle back to back would be a good start toward erasing our image of only beating losers. Burying the Pats dynasty and then beating the likely MVP would be big time wins.... LOVE your avatar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. Can a team have a signature win vs Duck Hodges? I think it was our best win last year, but a signature win can’t be vs a non playoff team unless it’s for the division title, even worse is Duck Hodges was the QB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Judging by Cam Newton and the pats running game I think we're looking at the same game as this week. If McClappenstien gets McWins and clapperoos to the McPlayoffs I'm McHappy. Even if its the Tyler Bass God Make It Stop Game. 19 years of no playoff was horrible... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: McD needs to start with defensive schemes. If this team wants to win a make a post season run, the defense has to find its identity. Right now, it’s identity is that of pathetic bums. If McD van scheme out D back to being average, I feel we can make a run. I meant that McD needs to start by beating the McCheats, as opposed to worrying about the next 3 weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hang on. We already have The Wizard on these boards. Who is this guys "Wizard" who thinks he can come in here and start posting about signature wins and think that it's OK? Side note, the signature win thing has been disccused many times over and I get it, but as far as I'm concerned you can count the Miami win and the Rams win as signature. They were hard fought battles that our QB pulled out in the end. If those aren't signature wins, I don't know or care what the term means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think at this point McClappington needs to win a playoff game. That moves the franchise forward now. Another first playoff game loss is not going to do it. The big "we finally did it!" win we all wanted to see against NE is not going to happen; it can't happen now that they have moved on from Brady, had a bunch of covid no-shows, and are having a pretty terrible season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Nextmanup said: I think at this point McClappington needs to win a playoff game. That moves the franchise forward now. Another first playoff game loss is not going to do it. The big "we finally did it!" win we all wanted to see against NE is not going to happen; it can't happen now that they have moved on from Brady, had a bunch of covid no-shows, and are having a pretty terrible season. I do agree that we need to see some playoff wins. If we win the division and lose straight away we are veering too close to Marvin Lewis territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Big C said: I do agree that we need to see some playoff wins. If we win the division and lose straight away we are veering too close to Marvin Lewis territory. My greatest fear is that we fall into a Marvin Lewis/Andy Dalton era where we do a lot of regular season winning but are never a threat to do anything in the playoffs. And that the era lasts for 5-8 years or some substantial amount of time. Just successful enough to seem good form a distance, but not worth a damn when examined in detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: My greatest fear is that we fall into a Marvin Lewis/Andy Dalton era where we do a lot of regular season winning but are never a threat to do anything in the playoffs. And that the era lasts for 5-8 years or some substantial amount of time. Just successful enough to seem good form a distance, but not worth a damn when examined in detail. Indeed. It is the same as QB purgatory a la Matthew Stafford where it can cripple you for up to a decade but you are still resectable. This is supposed to be the year where we emerge as the real deal. We have shown flashes but we're still working out some kinks. And that's OK. As far as I'm concered, we still look like a much better team than last year even if we have some WTF moments. The second half is far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, Mr. K said: Judging by Cam Newton and the pats running game I think we're looking at the same game as this week. If McClappenstien gets McWins and clapperoos to the McPlayoffs I'm McHappy. Even if its the Tyler Bass God Make It Stop Game. 19 years of no playoff was horrible... Gotta beat the McCheats first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think at this point McClappington needs to win a playoff game. That moves the franchise forward now. Another first playoff game loss is not going to do it. The big "we finally did it!" win we all wanted to see against NE is not going to happen; it can't happen now that they have moved on from Brady, had a bunch of covid no-shows, and are having a pretty terrible season. YE OLE concurs! Miami looks like a much bigger threat to us than New England at this point... although they may take a step back going to Tua. This now is just a must win game against a 2-4 team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Beat SEA or PIT this year. Those are your worthy scalps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Today’s win is his 30th as our Coach and places him ahead of Wade Phillips. Only Knox, Lou & Marv have won more. All have coached multiple Bills playoff teams. Just stop this idiocy. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 What the f is a "signature win." Is that something that comes in a box of Wheaties and has Vince Lombardi's autograph on it? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I hope he beats the Patriots and then just claps sternly in front of the camera for 2 hours. The fact that his clapping is so annoying to so many of you is just hilarious to me. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: What the f is a "signature win." Is that something that comes in a box of Wheaties and has Vince Lombardi's autograph on it? Its something local low info talk radio made up when they discovered Allen was probably the real deal and "culture" was indeed important and significant. Its basically in the same category as "accuracy." Its their dog whistle for "we really don't think they're this good until they beat the elite teams that win super bowls." They just can't say that so they replace it with "signature win." In a few hours you're going to basically hear this on the radio: "No need to even discuss this. They took care of the Jets. They were supposed to win. NOW it's time to prove something by beating New England." Then, one week from now after we curb stomp them: "That clearly wasn't the same Pats team. This week its Seattle! And now you can really prove something!" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Motorin' said: What the f is a "signature win." Is that something that comes in a box of Wheaties and has Vince Lombardi's autograph on it? I think a reporter types out a statement "We have won this game" and Coach McD signs it 4 minutes ago, Nelius said: I hope he beats the Patriots and then just claps sternly in front of the camera for 2 hours. The fact that his clapping is so annoying to so many of you is just hilarious to me. I believe McDermott should stow his McClappers after the game to prevent "overuse injury" that might affect future game performance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Vikings win in Allen's rookie year. Cowboys game last year. Even the Falcons game in McDermott's first year. They've had plenty of good wins. This is the dumbest thread and dumbest mentality I've ever heard of. Signature wins? Really? Wins are wins. 33 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Today’s win is his 30th as our Coach and places him ahead of Wade Phillips. Only Knox, Lou & Marv have won more. All have coached multiple Bills playoff teams. Just stop this idiocy. Thank you. The mentality of some of these fans is just idiotic. With friends like these, who needs enemies? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just beat the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Signature win against NE in Brady era is the only comparable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: For the first time ever in the 21st century against the Cheats, the Bills have the advantage at the most important position, QB. Unfortunately, we are outmanned at HC. Belicheat knows all the tricks (and cheats), and we won't have a crowd to make any noise. If we have any chance to win the AFCE, next week is WWII (my favorite Marv Levy quote). McD needs to start there. Slay the Cheating Dragon to get to 6-2. We'll look for the next statement win after that. 30 other NFL teams have the same issue as being outmanned at HC when facing the Patriots, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: All that does is show one how bad this organization has been at winning, doesn't prove McDermott can win against the best teams in a given season... 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) NE this year is not a signature win. Sure get the monkey off their back, but don't call it a signature win. Neither is Arizona, who's a good team & had a great win vs. Seattle. Beat Seattle. Always funny to see the delineation of responses. Those in love with McD, say WC playoffs and Dallas and the rest of us shrug our shoulders. Wins vs. Atl & Minn year one & two were too early in the season against good teams where yep did not know how good they would be. To call win vs. Duck Hodges or a good win vs. 8-8 Dallas is a stretch. Edited October 26, 2020 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Wizard said: The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking... What do board members believe constitutes a signature win? Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week? I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. Will a Bills win against NE be signature level? Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.) What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year? Let's discuss. My God - you would think we are the Jets or something with all of the trolls on board. Getting a “signature” win for this team is tough because trollish fans want to move the goalposts after each game. Let’s see we went on the road in 2018 as huge underdogs to Minnesota (a team that was in the NFC championship game the year before) and dominated them as one of the biggest underdogs to outright win a game with several signature plays, but that gets pushed aside. Last year we go on the road and beat Tennessee (a team that went to the AFC championship and should of beat KC) - a signature win - maybe for some fan bases, but not you. Pittsburgh/Dallas in prime time - both games propel us to the playoffs, but our wins knocked them out - both wins on the road and both as slight dogs. Going through your criteria the Bills have several wins that hit you definition- they have dominated games in all 3 phases, they have road wins against frequent playoff teams, gutty come from behind wins, putting first or critical losses on teams, but they do not seem to count for you. The issue is after each of wins - trolling fans find reasons to lessen the Bills wins and the same thing will happen with the next 3 games. If they beat the Pats does it mean anything? That would move them to 2-5 and therefore mean nothing once done. Seattle is no longer unbeaten and could be on a 2 game losing streak when we play. The Cardinals are so up and down that if we win by the end of the year it might be meaningless. Just relax and enjoy another playoff year and see where it goes. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, NewEra said: Can a team have a signature win vs Duck Hodges? I think it was our best win last year, but a signature win can’t be vs a non playoff team unless it’s for the division title, even worse is Duck Hodges was the QB If Pittsburgh wins that game - even with Duck Hodges - do they go to the playoffs? Yes that win was against a non-playoff team because we won it. It is not like the Bills were 20 point favorites - they were slight dogs on the road for a playoff birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 First and second is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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