Revisting 2019 Draft - D.K. Metcalf?

[billsfan89]

I wanted the Bills to take Ford early in round 2, however once DK started to fall deep into the second around pick 55ish I really wanted the Bills to trade back into round 2 for him. He had a big injury history but he was/is a freak talent worth a late second round pick. By the time it was pick 60 I was really angry the Bills weren't making the move. By around pick 60 the Bills only had to trade up 14 spots from pick 74. I thought the Bills could have traded pick 112 and 74 to get him around pick 60. It would have been a great moment to build both sides of the trenches with Oliver and Ford while adding a weapon for Josh. 

 

It ended up being Singletary at pick 74 which seems to be working out. Ford is going to be a solid to pro-bowl guard for many years to come. Stop complaining. 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 10/9/2020 at 2:09 PM, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

So, watching what D.K. Metcalf has done so far this season and listening to Russell Wilson, I was looking over the 2019 draft and was thinking about our picks. Metcalf went #64 - last player chosen in Round 2. We took Ed Oliver Round 1 and Cody Ford Round 2. 

 

Would we change anything? If we took Metcalf, probably not make the trade for Diggs? Is Metcalf more "valuable" than Oliver or Ford? Thoughts??

I'm happy where we are.  I would rather have Diggs than Metcalf but I was hoping we grabbed him in that draft.  If Ford becomes the Guard I think he will then you take the OL.  WRs are regularly available.  Just take a look at our top 3.  We didn't draft them and our 4th guy we drafted looks pretty good.  If Ford were to have his career end tomorrow we would have a harder time replacing him with something other than a short rental.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I'm happy where we are.  I would rather have Diggs than Metcalf but I was hoping we grabbed him in that draft.  If Ford becomes the Guard I think he will then you take the OL.  WRs are regularly available.  Just take a look at our top 3.  We didn't draft them and our 4th guy we drafted looks pretty good.  If Ford were to have his career end tomorrow we would have a harder time replacing him with something other than a short rental.

 

I think the response to that is that you can get by with short term rentals at guard. I am happy with where the Bills are at with receiver now but when the Bills spent the pick they did on Ford it was because they believed he could play tackle.

[RaoulDuke79]

On 10/9/2020 at 2:26 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

Why do people insist on doing this, repeatedly?  What is the purpose, self flagellation?

 

We go to to ANY draft and see what gems we missed.  

100% agree. What's done is done. Its water under the bridge. Look forward not back.

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I'm happy where we are.  I would rather have Diggs than Metcalf but I was hoping we grabbed him in that draft.  If Ford becomes the Guard I think he will then you take the OL.  WRs are regularly available.  Just take a look at our top 3.  We didn't draft them and our 4th guy we drafted looks pretty good.  If Ford were to have his career end tomorrow we would have a harder time replacing him with something other than a short rental.

If you switch “WR” and “guard” I’d completely agree with your take.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 10/9/2020 at 2:09 PM, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

So, watching what D.K. Metcalf has done so far this season and listening to Russell Wilson, I was looking over the 2019 draft and was thinking about our picks. Metcalf went #64 - last player chosen in Round 2. We took Ed Oliver Round 1 and Cody Ford Round 2. 

 

Would we change anything? If we took Metcalf, probably not make the trade for Diggs? Is Metcalf more "valuable" than Oliver or Ford? Thoughts??

 

The more WRs the better and he would be way better than Ford.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian

[BillsVet]

5 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I'm happy where we are.  I would rather have Diggs than Metcalf but I was hoping we grabbed him in that draft.  If Ford becomes the Guard I think he will then you take the OL.  WRs are regularly available.  Just take a look at our top 3.  We didn't draft them and our 4th guy we drafted looks pretty good.  If Ford were to have his career end tomorrow we would have a harder time replacing him with something other than a short rental.

 

Reminds me of something discussed here seemingly every off-season.  There are starting guards available at pretty decent bargain prices each year in free agency.  Rarely though do you find physical type WR's with excellent speed when the new league year begins.  

 

Positional value has long been disregarded or flat-out not taken into consideration during free agency and the draft on TBD.  Because, when Metcalf and Ford are up for their next contract, a guard of Ford's level isn't getting paid more than a WR like Metcalf.   

[Virgil]

There's a reason he dropped as far as he did.  There were quite a few red flags.  Good for him in regards to getting it together, but it wasn't a slam dunk pick.  Many people passed on him for reasons.

 

He looked like a David Boston type who got so ripped, he didn't have much agility

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Wow Seattle’s guards just won the game

[34-78-83]

Metcalf looking like Megatron Jr.

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Metcalf is a better WR than Diggs.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 
 

Then I come in this thread and people are throwing around the old “hindsight” 

 

nah, it’s not hindsight when I spent the whole summer before his draft arguing with y’all, saying we should draft him even if we have the first overall pick. 
 

you can’t sign a player like him in free agency but we have 5 guards every year picked up from other teams or traded/released because we have too many. Spain, teller, Long, Winters, etc.  that’s enough guard depth Ford is not essential but DK would have been a dream with Allen

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Metcalf is a better WR than Diggs.

 

 

That 94 yard game winning drive was basically Wilson just chucking it towards Metcalf.  

 

He's just a matchup nightmare in a matchup league.

 

 

[bobobonators]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 
 

Then I come in this thread and people are throwing around the old “hindsight” 

 

nah, it’s not hindsight when I spent the whole summer before his draft arguing with y’all, saying we should draft him even if we have the first overall pick. 
 

you can’t sign a player like him in free agency but we have 5 guards every year picked up from other teams or traded/released because we have too many. Spain, teller, Long, Winters, etc.  that’s enough guard depth Ford is not essential but DK would have been a dream with Allen

calm down

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, bobobonators said:

calm down

 

do I not seem calm, should I have used smaller pt font?

[Gugny]

I remember, like yesterday, @Joe in Winslow saying, "PLEASE, GOD, DON'T LET BEANE PICK METCALF!!!!"  Man, was he wrong.

[Mark Vader]

9 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 
 

Then I come in this thread and people are throwing around the old “hindsight” 

 

nah, it’s not hindsight when I spent the whole summer before his draft arguing with y’all, saying we should draft him even if we have the first overall pick. 
 

you can’t sign a player like him in free agency but we have 5 guards every year picked up from other teams or traded/released because we have too many. Spain, teller, Long, Winters, etc.  that’s enough guard depth Ford is not essential but DK would have been a dream with Allen

The Bills are 4-0.

 

What's the problem?

[Rc2catch]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

The Bills are 4-0.

 

What's the problem?

Gm’s gonna gm on message boards. They “scout” ya know and they know better than the guys being paid millions to make these decisions. 

[Gambit]

11 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 
 

Then I come in this thread and people are throwing around the old “hindsight” 

 

nah, it’s not hindsight when I spent the whole summer before his draft arguing with y’all, saying we should draft him even if we have the first overall pick. 
 

you can’t sign a player like him in free agency but we have 5 guards every year picked up from other teams or traded/released because we have too many. Spain, teller, Long, Winters, etc.  that’s enough guard depth Ford is not essential but DK would have been a dream with Allen

If we had the first overall pick,  we should have easily drafted Bosa. I would have loved us to have drafted DK but not that high. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

The Bills are 4-0.

 

What's the problem?

 Psyched about that.
 

I was pretty specific in my complaints about posters crying hindsight however. 

7 minutes ago, Gambit said:

If we had the first overall pick,  we should have easily drafted Bosa. I would have loved us to have drafted DK but not that high. 

 Yeah, I probably would have taken Bosa too but at that time we had just signed Brown/Beasley and didn’t know how they would turn out 

9 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Gm’s gonna gm on message boards. They “scout” ya know and they know better than the guys being paid millions to make these decisions. 

Oh this old dismissive nothing post

[BillsVet]

17 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 

 

Because they've linked their identity to this team and to admit being wrong is a direct blow to their fragile ego.  

 

That, or they think mom's basement must be insulated from the challenges of the outside world.  

[CorkScrewHill]

DK is a physical freak .. he was raw but if it clicked he could be one of the best ever .. so far it has clicked ... freak Allen passing to freak DK Metcalf would have been fun to see. 

[Big Blitz]

I don't care about DK and I can't tell you how trying to develop him and Josh at the same time works out.  He landed in the best spot possible.  

 

You know what matters?

 

The best WR in this division after Diggs is.....Devonte Parker.

 

We don't have to deal with DK or Nuke or Hill or Thomas or Julio or Adams twice a year. 

 

 

But can the Jets win some freaking games so this division avoids Lawrence entering it?

 

Burrow ending up in the AFC is tough enough.  Can these young QBs end up in the NFC please?

 

Last 3-4 years:

 

AFC:

Mahomes

Watson

Baker 

Allen

Darnold 

Lamar 

Burrow 

Tua

Herbert

Lock

 

 

In the NFC:

Kyler

Goff

Wentz

Daniel Jones

Trubisky  

Haskins

 

I miss anyone?

[Rigotz]

Anybody saying they knew DK Metcalf would be legit hopefully also recognizes that he was an insanely risky pick and extremely unlikely to do the things he’s currently doing.

 

He had basically zero college production.

His 3 cone drill was worse than some O-linemen’s, meaning he couldn’t change direction at all.

Changing direction is kind of important in route running.

He had problems with injuries.

 

Theres a reason he slipped to the end of the second round. He had BUST written all over him.

 

Instead, he turned out to be great. Just like Josh Allen and Russel Wilson, people had their concerns and they were wrong. End of story.

[Gugny]

48 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Why won’t poster’s admit they were wrong here? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about Allen. 
 

Then I come in this thread and people are throwing around the old “hindsight” 

 

nah, it’s not hindsight when I spent the whole summer before his draft arguing with y’all, saying we should draft him even if we have the first overall pick. 
 

you can’t sign a player like him in free agency but we have 5 guards every year picked up from other teams or traded/released because we have too many. Spain, teller, Long, Winters, etc.  that’s enough guard depth Ford is not essential but DK would have been a dream with Allen

 

Even though he was a trade, Mr. Diggs is on line one waiting to speak with you, madame.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

7 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Anybody saying they knew DK Metcalf would be legit hopefully also recognizes that he was an insanely risky pick and extremely unlikely to do the things he’s currently doing.

 

He had basically zero college production.

His 3 cone drill was worse than some O-linemen’s, meaning he couldn’t change direction at all.

Changing direction is kind of important in route running.

He had problems with injuries.

 

Theres a reason he slipped to the end of the second round. He had BUST written all over him.

 

Instead, he turned out to be great. Just like Josh Allen and Russel Wilson, people had their concerns and they were wrong. End of story.

DK and Wilson produced just fine compared to Allen who is on a different level for what you’re saying. 

 

Having said that, I repeatedly outlined why his “shortcomings” were not only overblown, but not detrimental to an NFL receiver’s success. I don’t know what else you have to do to not have “hindsight” be the response. 
 

The lack of production was due mostly to injuries in 2 out of 3 seasons. This was also not a concern for me as they seemed like bad luck and not something reoccurring. 

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Gm’s gonna gm on message boards. They “scout” ya know and they know better than the guys being paid millions to make these decisions. 

They like to pay themselves on the back that he was drafted to the Seattle Russell Wilson’s.  If it wasn’t Metcalf, it would be someone else.  Just like it is every other year.  
 

he’s good, don’t get me wrong, but he wouldn’t be getting the same kind of love as he is right now if he was on just about any other team.  Stay healthy big man.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Even though he was a trade, Mr. Diggs is on line one waiting to speak with you, madame.

 Diggs was a free agent?
 

Edit: I don’t understand why a trade would be worth bringing up here 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Chemical

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Anybody saying they knew DK Metcalf would be legit hopefully also recognizes that he was an insanely risky pick and extremely unlikely to do the things he’s currently doing.

 

He had basically zero college production.

His 3 cone drill was worse than some O-linemen’s, meaning he couldn’t change direction at all.

Changing direction is kind of important in route running.

He had problems with injuries.

 

Theres a reason he slipped to the end of the second round. He had BUST written all over him.

 

Instead, he turned out to be great. Just like Josh Allen and Russel Wilson, people had their concerns and they were wrong. End of story.

No bro...people KNEW.  I’ve read it here.  They wanted him #9 overall because they could tell he was a superstar

[Motor26]

25 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Anybody saying they knew DK Metcalf would be legit hopefully also recognizes that he was an insanely risky pick and extremely unlikely to do the things he’s currently doing.

 

He had basically zero college production.

His 3 cone drill was worse than some O-linemen’s, meaning he couldn’t change direction at all.

Changing direction is kind of important in route running.

He had problems with injuries.

 

Theres a reason he slipped to the end of the second round. He had BUST written all over him.

 

Instead, he turned out to be great. Just like Josh Allen and Russel Wilson, people had their concerns and they were wrong. End of story.

I wasn’t sold on DK either, but I also wanted the Bills to pick Calvin Ridley in 2018, instead they used the pick to trade up to take Edmunds in 2018. They ended up with Diggs, I think it’s worked out just fine.

Edited October 12, 2020 by Motor26

[Thurmal34]

Keep investing in both lines. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

For those posters who keep posting to remind others that they were right about DK; broke clocks are right twice a day. 
 

I am glad for DK. He went to the perfect situation and has developed. Seems like a fine guy. If DK had been selected by the Bills who knows what his career would look like today. Glad for DK and for the Bills. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[Thurmal34]

Come oooonnnn!?! Shut up. So he’s good.

 

If you want your opinion to count more than Beane’s you should have worked harder. 
 

He beat you out for the job you wanted. Maybe weigh in when you actually earned the job?

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

If you switch “WR” and “guard” I’d completely agree with your take.

Could you give a little example to back what your saying there.  After all we aquire 3 very good WR rather quickly.

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Chemical said:

Wow Seattle’s guards just won the game

Did they give Wilson time to throw.  It takes a team to win a game.

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

No bro...people KNEW.  I’ve read it here.  They wanted him #9 overall because they could tell he was a superstar

Yes and people wanted Rosen because he was the "right Josh"

Edited October 12, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We got two solid players that are still improving. I’m very happy. 

[GunnerBill]

It was a strange and muddled WR class the 2019 one. You had Metcalf who was all potential and raw ability but had question marks in terms of production, route running and health. You had AJ Brown who was the best route runner but had question marks about his ability to play outside and speed concerns . You had Harry who was a contested catch guy but who lacked elite athleticism or separation skill and you had Marquise Brown who was all speed but with hands and physicality questions.

 

I had AJ and DK a step above Harry and Hollywood but I always felt that it was about scheme fits to an extent for all of them. I was probably too low on AJ (who I had as a borderline 1st/2nd) and DK (high 2nd). They both look like NFL #1 receivers. Ironically the NFL was even more confused because Hollywood and Harry came off the board before the other two. I actually mocked AJ Brown to the Pats at one point and man am I glad they didn't pick him. I think he'd have been a perfect fit in that O.

 

EDIT: Just to develop that point further..... I think if you swapped DK and AJ round they would have both found it a little tougher. Not that they wouldn't still have made plays and been productive but AJ had 1,000 yards and 8 TDs as a rook and DK had 900 yards and 7. I think that level of immediate production was in part because they landed in perfect spots. AJ is a precise route runner in a scheme in Tennessee that is founded on some old school west coast principles and schemes guys open if they are precise enough. DK is as @BADOLBILZ refers to him a "match up nightmare" who gets deep and is physical at the point of attack and can win 1v1 which is perfect for a Seattle scheme that emphasises precision much less and asks its receivers to just go mano a mano against the DBs and get open. If you offered them a re-draft Baltimore would pick DK instead of Hollywood and New England would pick AJ instead of Harry.

Edited October 12, 2020 by GunnerBill

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Chemical said:

 Diggs was a free agent?
 

Edit: I don’t understand why a trade would be worth bringing up here 

I think the point is the same as mine.  ProBowl level talent at WR is readily available.  Just look across the league at how many teams are stacked at WR.  This past off-season two of the top 10 WRs possibly top 5 were available via trade.  When was the last time you could say that about OL.

7 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Gm’s gonna gm on message boards. They “scout” ya know and they know better than the guys being paid millions to make these decisions. 

It's not like the Bills are being looked at as the model for how you rebuild.  Oh wait...

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Anybody saying they knew DK Metcalf would be legit hopefully also recognizes that he was an insanely risky pick and extremely unlikely to do the things he’s currently doing.

 

He had basically zero college production.

His 3 cone drill was worse than some O-linemen’s, meaning he couldn’t change direction at all.

Changing direction is kind of important in route running.

He had problems with injuries.

 

Theres a reason he slipped to the end of the second round. He had BUST written all over him.

 

Instead, he turned out to be great. Just like Josh Allen and Russel Wilson, people had their concerns and they were wrong. End of story.

 

Kudos to those who realized none of that mattered. lol, cone drill.

 

Kid would be lighting it up with JA right now.  No reason to believe otherwise.

[Coach Tuesday]

And Claypool went a few picks before Epanesa but trading up for him seems like it would’ve been the play.  He’s even more versatile than Metcalf (scored on an end-around yesterday plus 3 receiving TDs and another one wiped out by a BS OPI call).  Espanesa looks five times smaller than he did last year and can’t get off blocks - he’s Maybin without the speed right now...