BullBuchanan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Should this cost Anthony Lynn his job? Don't get me wrong, Tyrod seems like a great guy and he's a good QB to have on your roster, but what exactly is Lynn thinking here? They drafted Herbert 6th overall and he played lights out against the SB champs. He never looked like a kid in his first NFL action to me. I know that Lynn's statement may have been looked upon like boilerplate coach speak in the past, but these days it seems ridiculous that you would go out of your way to defend your journeyman "starter" of 1 game when his rookie replacement played as well as he did.https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-lynn-risks-qb-controversy-with-hardline-stance-on-justin-herbert-214417416.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Lynn isn't a good HC to begin with so doesn't surprise me he would do something like this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Tyrod did not play due to adverse reaction to a pain killer shot could be Lynn pushed him to take the shot for the team and is now feeling guilty about Wally Pipping him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 After watching Herbert, as HC, I would have a hard time keeping him off the field. I think this is the wrong decision for Lynn, personally. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Didn't the Baker era in Cleveland begin because of a Tyrod injury? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 After watching Herbert, I never expected Tyrod to start another game for them, unless Herbert got injured. I'm not sure what Lynn is thinking. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I mean he also thought punting on 4th and 1 in Over time vs. the Chiefs was a good idea. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) Anthony Lynn decision making on this one Edited September 21, 2020 by DJB 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Tyrod will start one more half before Lynn's hand is forced again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) “There's a lot we didn't get done with Justin on the field yesterday,” Lynn said on Monday “He's a backup for a reason.” “It’s not like we won the damn game yesterday. We lost.” wow! Sounds like a NHL Coach. Not your usual scared to say whT color the blue sky is NFL Coach. now attempting to piece together the thought process... Maybe...and we have seen when a QB comes unexpectedly Off the bench they do many times have success in that specific game. maybe Lynn feels that with prep time the opposing teams will not let Herbert look as good and if Herbert really isn’t ready for the full spot light then Lynn will be having to bench his Rookie and that would lead to all sorts of other isssues. Edited September 21, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “There's a lot we didn't get done with Justin on the field yesterday,” Lynn said on Monday “He's a backup for a reason.” “It’s not like we won the damn game yesterday. We lost.” wow! Sounds like a NHL Coach. Not your usual scared to say whT color the blue sky is NFL Coach. now attempting to piece together the thought process... Maybe...and we have seen when a QB comes unexpectedly Off the bench they do many times have success in that specific game. maybe Lynn feels that with prep time the opposing teams will not let Herbert look as good and if Herbert really isn’t ready for the full spot light then Lynn will be having to bench his Rookie and that would lead to all sorts of other isssues. Holy ***** he actually said that. What the hell is he thinking you build up your rookie QB's confidence you don't tear it down. Edited September 21, 2020 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 *Hermione Granger Voice* What. An. Idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Hes an idiot and I’m glad he’s not our coach. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 This is gonna work itself out....they drafted a QB high for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 This makes zero sense. Herbert almost beat the SB champs with no time practicing with the ones ... not like TT did anything the week before. Would have lost to Cincy if Cincys kicker doesn’t pull a hammy on a chip shot FG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “There's a lot we didn't get done with Justin on the field yesterday,” Lynn said on Monday “He's a backup for a reason.” “It’s not like we won the damn game yesterday. We lost.” wow! Sounds like a NHL Coach. Not your usual scared to say whT color the blue sky is NFL Coach. now attempting to piece together the thought process... Maybe...and we have seen when a QB comes unexpectedly Off the bench they do many times have success in that specific game. maybe Lynn feels that with prep time the opposing teams will not let Herbert look as good and if Herbert really isn’t ready for the full spot light then Lynn will be having to bench his Rookie and that would lead to all sorts of other isssues. Lynn has made a ton of boneheaded calls at the helm of an NFL team, but this is just such a bizarre hill to die on. Maybe he believes that this endears him to the veterans in the locker room or something as a player's coach, but I'm pretty sure they all know that Tyrod isn't leading them to a Super Bowl. For sure I understand taking a measured stance and not going all-in Herbert here, but he's swung so far the other way it's almost like he believes Herbert has no business playing for this team. When the inevitable time comes for him to assume the starting role, how exactly is that message delivered and sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVGrown Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 They would've gotten a whole lot less done with TT out there. Was Herbert polished? Hell no, but he completely opened up the run game. They stack the box with TT which kills the run game. I stupidly benched Ekeler not knowing TT wasn't playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I don't think he's handling the media well, but you gotta let Tyrod play himself out of the job, so that there's no controversy when Herbert takes over. Otherwise, you have the potential for dissension and/or a QB carousel situation. That's why McDermott started Peterman, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: I don't think he's handling the media well, but you gotta let Tyrod play himself out of the job, so that there's no controversy when Herbert takes over. Otherwise, you have the potential for dissension and/or a QB carousel situation. That's why McDermott started Peterman, lol. Herbert was clearly drafted to be the QB of the future. The only reason to not play him is if he’s not ready. He looks plenty ready. It isn’t like TT is some entrenched starter. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I don't think he's handling the media well, but you gotta let Tyrod play himself out of the job, so that there's no controversy when Herbert takes over. Otherwise, you have the potential for dissension and/or a QB carousel situation. That's why McDermott started Peterman, lol. Yeah but once Allen was in there he didn't take him out. But even if he is dead set on sticking with Tyrod there has to of been a better way of doing it besides throwing Herbert under the bus. Edited September 22, 2020 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I don't think he's handling the media well, but you gotta let Tyrod play himself out of the job, so that there's no controversy when Herbert takes over. Otherwise, you have the potential for dissension and/or a QB carousel situation. That's why McDermott started Peterman, lol. No you don't. Tyrod is a career backup and bridge QB. Literally nobody would think twice about benching him for a first round rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean he also thought punting on 4th and 1 in Over time vs. the Chiefs was a good idea. I was gonna say... Horrible conservative decisions make a lot more sense when your QB is horrible and conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yeah but once Allen was in there he didn't take him out. But even he is dead set on sticking with Tyrod there has to of been a better way of doing it besides throwing Herbert under the bus. Like I said, he let the starter play himself out of the job. Perception creates a delicate situation when considering all the variables, not just fans and media. I agree he's not handling the media well. He's blowing up his own plan. 3 minutes ago, MJS said: No you don't. Tyrod is a career backup and bridge QB. Literally nobody would think twice about benching him for a first round rookie. "Nobody" is obviously not accurate. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Herbert was clearly drafted to be the QB of the future. The only reason to not play him is if he’s not ready. He looks plenty ready. It isn’t like TT is some entrenched starter. JMO Corrwect. And Lynn said he's not ready. So the perception from the media and fans is clearly not the same as from within the lockerroom. However, Lynn's handling of the media is like shooting himself in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, LeGOATski said: Like I said, he let the starter play himself out of the job. Perception creates a delicate situation when considering all the variables, not just fans and media. I agree he's not handling the media well. He's blowing up his own plan. I think Lynn is enticed by turnover free offense. That won’t be Herbert but on the other hand they are going nowhere with TT but 8-8. If Herbert fell on his face that’s one thing but he showed he could get thrown into the fire and played a great game for a rookie with no preseason. I say start the future now but I’ve always said that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Can't imagine Chargers fans being too happy with those quotes by Lynn. Oh wait, the Chargers don't have any fans. But seriously, I'm guessing Lynn is pissed about the terrible interception that Herbert threw near the goal line at the end of the third quarter. Chargers were about to stretch it to a 2 score game and that completely changed the momentum. Herbert looked pretty good for being thrown in the fire minutes before kickoff, but they kept things really simple for him with play action and lots of roll-outs/one side of the field stuff. And his stats benefitted from an inordinate amount of YAC on the part of his receivers. But yeah, he definitely passed his first test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: Can't imagine Chargers fans being too happy with those quotes by Lynn. Oh wait, the Chargers don't have any fans. But seriously, I'm guessing Lynn is pissed about the terrible interception that Herbert threw near the goal line at the end of the third quarter. Chargers were about to stretch it to a 2 score game and that completely changed the momentum. Herbert looked pretty good for being thrown in the fire minutes before kickoff, but they kept things really simple for him with play action and lots of roll-outs/one side of the field stuff. And his stats benefitted from an inordinate amount of YAC on the part of his receivers. But yeah, he definitely passed his first test. I have no doubt it was the INT but he’s a rookie and he’s going to throw those. But he also made some nice throws. He has to grow and develop. Not going to happen on the bench.i just don’t get Lynn’s mindset. Maybe he thinks TT can get them to the playoffs, I guess Edited September 21, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Can't fix stupid folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Lynn is enticed by turnover free offense. That won’t be Herbert but on the other hand they are going nowhere with TT but 8-8. If Herbert fell on his face that’s one thing but he showed he could get thrown into the fire and played a great game for a rookie with no preseason. I say start the future now but I’ve always said that I think Lynn needs to be conscious of the fact that he could make or break Herbert's career in this situation, even if he has franchise QB ability. When you take a look at his coaching career, it doesn't look like he has any experience dealing with QB development or even a good mentor to rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I’m a believer that Tyrod is a fine bridge QB. After that performance yesterday from Herbert, they should’ve handed him the keys. He looked really good!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He has to grow and develop. Not going to happen on the bench. That's debatable and it really depends on the player and their mental readiness. I think it's been widely acknowledged that Josh benefitted from the 4 week injury rest he had during his rookie season. Remember that Lynn and his staff have a much clearer picture of who Herbert is right now than we do. I agree he made some nice throws. There was one he zipped into a tight window to Allen in the second half that really impressed me (and the announcers if I recall correctly). It was the type of throw that Tyrod would never ever attempt, but the kind of throw your quarterback needs to make at some point to move the ball against better defenses in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Hopefully he can live in this dream world until after 11/29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Why didn't Lynn just quit if he didn't want to be the head coach anymore? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: you gotta let Tyrod play himself out of the job Seems like he's done that a couple of times already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It can be as simple as following the plan. I suspect the plan was to let Tyrod start for the year and let Hebert learn. Now does that make what Lynn said ok in the eyes of his players? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TBBills said: Lynn isn't a good HC to begin with so doesn't surprise me he would do something like this. He’s entering Hue Jackson territory if he ever starts Tyrod again. And that FG he kicked near the end of the game yesterday is a firing offense all by itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 How on earth is this guy still an NFL HC?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Come on! It is simply coach speak for 'we like Tyrod, think he is a good teammate, a capable backup, but he is done as our starter'. Tyrod knows this, of course, as he heard almost the same exact things after Mayfield was drafted in Cleveland and before he lost his job in Buffalo. He will continue to have a great career as a backup, earn lots of money, and retire rich and healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TBBills said: Lynn isn't a good HC to begin with so doesn't surprise me he would do something like this. His rocket like rise to fame always made me extremely skeptical. Guy went from Bills RB coach to Bills Oc to Bills HC in one calendar year. Then people wanted him to be the full time coach! Should have seen how he did as a defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator for a season first. Onto the question, this should cost him his job, but it won’t. You don’t go back to Tyrod after the performance Herbert just put on. Tyrod struggled against the Bengals, Herbert just went toe to toe with the champs. At the absolute minimum, the kid earned a second start. Edited September 22, 2020 by PetermansRedemption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: After watching Herbert, as HC, I would have a hard time keeping him off the field. I think this is the wrong decision for Lynn, personally. I tend to agree the only caveat being one guy has seen much more of Herbert and it’s not you or I. Sometimes a dude can look electric doing things that are incorrect and unsustainable. that said, almost no chance tyrod plays as well and as a top ten pick the kids expected to play by mid season. Hardly seems worth the back and forth of delaying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Okay, I'll play. Seems like really young QBs only increase their chances of remaining an NFL starter by riding the bench and being forced to prove they're not just better but ready. Also, haven't seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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