vtnatefootball11 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/09/18/nfl-kicking-coaches-50000-dollar-fix I did not take the article seriously at first but it actually makes a lot of sense, especially for the Bills with Bass being a rookie. Apparently, only 4-5 teams in the NFL have a designated kicking coach or consultant. The point of the article is that unlike any other position, if kickers/punters have a bad kick, there is no one on the staff that they can actually sit down with in game and intimately discuss mechanics/techniques, what may be off and help get their head right. Special teams coordinators typically don't have a kicking background. Could be helpful for the Bills. Thoughts? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I have been saying it for months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills8323 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Certainly couldn’t hurt us. Anyone know the teams who have a consultant/their kicking success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Redacted. Nevermind. Edited September 18, 2020 by Seasons1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bills8323 said: Certainly couldn’t hurt us. Anyone know the teams who have a consultant/their kicking success? The teams are mentioned in the article (BAL, NE, DEN a couple others I believe) but it appears the success stories are more anecdotal. It was apparently very helpful for Tucker of Baltimore and McManus of Denver. I know there are limits on the amount of coaches but why the Bills haven't already hired a specific consultant for Bass is beyond me. Like you said, how could it possibly hurt? We are talking a very small expenditure salary wise so money can't be the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BLUES Brothers Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I believe you are going to be psychic. The Bills seem to have no issue with hiring coaches to get the most out of their players and could absolutely see this happening. Question is - could a player ever hire these guys on their own to get the most out of their position/career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I watched the first game against the Jets , there was a very strong blowing thru the stadium. Look at how much sideline peoples pants were blowing around. I'm sure this affected the kicking a great deal. On a non windy day I would be more concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Do we know that there’s nobody on the coaching staff who actually has qualifications already on the kicking game? Or a coach Bass can go talk to? Surely some of these coaches have experience enough that you don’t necessarily have to have a dedicated coach just for one position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, The BLUES Brothers said: I believe you are going to be psychic. The Bills seem to have no issue with hiring coaches to get the most out of their players and could absolutely see this happening. Question is - could a player ever hire these guys on their own to get the most out of their position/career? There are lots of consultants out there. Of course every one who pays attention knows that Josh uses a QB consultant. There are linemen academies one of our previous offense linemen went to one. A number of WRs and DBs have gone to Don Beebe's House of Speed. Some players go back to their colleges to work with their college coaches during offseason. I think during season it is different because players do not have excess time and you need to make sure training meshes well with what coaches are teacher which is why a assistant coach, ideally a retired kicker would help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Why do we need to hire a kicking coach when the ref missed the call? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Maybe an emotional support dog 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) I could see hiring Steve Christie to help him with his mechanics a little and give him a heads up on how the wind reacts in the stadium but that would be it. Edited September 19, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I assume he can go to the coordinator for coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/09/18/nfl-kicking-coaches-50000-dollar-fix I did not take the article seriously at first but it actually makes a lot of sense, especially for the Bills with Bass being a rookie. Apparently, only 4-5 teams in the NFL have a designated kicking coach or consultant. The point of the article is that unlike any other position, if kickers/punters have a bad kick, there is no one on the staff that they can actually sit down with in game and intimately discuss mechanics/techniques, what may be off and help get their head right. Special teams coordinators typically don't have a kicking background. Could be helpful for the Bills. Thoughts? He just needs someone like Oliver to stand behind him while popping his knuckles and whispering words of encouragement and certain repercussions of missing in his ear. Game day Ed can just point and and smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 i'm surprised more teams don't as the position is the second most important position besides qb. games are so tight that 3 points often decide the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i'm surprised more teams don't as the position is the second most important position besides qb. games are so tight that 3 points often decide the difference. Not sure its second most but agree a coach would be a good idea especially with a young kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I’m actually surprised all teams don’t already employ one. You’d figure they would since kickers put up points and can decide the outcome of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Comebackkid said: He just needs someone like Oliver to stand behind him while popping his knuckles and whispering words of encouragement and certain repercussions of missing in his ear. Game day Ed can just point and and smile. There certainly are multiple ways to accomplish the same thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 My vote goes for Sister Jean from Loyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said: I watched the first game against the Jets , there was a very strong blowing thru the stadium. Look at how much sideline peoples pants were blowing around. I'm sure this affected the kicking a great deal. On a non windy day I would be more concerned. It will ALWAYS be windy in Bills Stadium. And it will only get worse from here on out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Maybe a guy like....Hauschka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On Sunday it looked to me like Bass simply didn’t account enough for the L-to-R wind in the direction of his two (one) missed kicks. I’ll give the guy a pass for his first live game action in the NFL and say he’s going to correct that. He was, after all, essentially 6-for-7 on a very windy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Why do we need to hire a kicking coach when the ref missed the call? The kick was lousy regardless. And so were his 3 other FG attempts. The kid was kicking off the inside of his foot pushing everything. Hopefully he figured out the problem this week. Otherwise he may not be coming back on the team flite from Miami after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe a guy like....Hauschka I can hear him now. Hey buddy, don't sweat it. I'm here if they... I mean you need me to help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: The kick was lousy regardless. And so were his 3 other FG attempts. The kid was kicking off the inside of his foot pushing everything. Hopefully he figured out the problem this week. Otherwise he may not be coming back on the team flite from Miami after the game. Team flite? Not sure you know what that word means but flite is a synonym for quarrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 23 hours ago, MJS said: I assume he can go to the coordinator for coaching. Probabily can't get into the USA...Canadian border still closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I mean golfers have caddies, this is kind of a similar concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 What's Farwell doing after a FG attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I assumed a kicking coach and a punting coach already existed and were generally speaking a part of the special teams coaching staff. If that isn't the case then it absolutely should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 11:45 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Why do we need to hire a kicking coach when the ref missed the call? My argument is to preserve and maximize the Rooks potential. His kicks are all hammered a bit right. Even, if but for a shirt time, it can help. Then again, if it ain't broke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Paulus said: My argument is to preserve and maximize the Rooks potential. His kicks are all hammered a bit right. Even, if but for a shirt time, it can help. Then again, if it ain't broke... Looked to me like he was just kicking a little bit of a draw. Maybe he feels more comfortable that way. Hopefully he will be consistent with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) On 9/18/2020 at 12:10 PM, vtnatefootball11 said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/09/18/nfl-kicking-coaches-50000-dollar-fix I did not take the article seriously at first but it actually makes a lot of sense, especially for the Bills with Bass being a rookie. Apparently, only 4-5 teams in the NFL have a designated kicking coach or consultant. The point of the article is that unlike any other position, if kickers/punters have a bad kick, there is no one on the staff that they can actually sit down with in game and intimately discuss mechanics/techniques, what may be off and help get their head right. Special teams coordinators typically don't have a kicking background. Could be helpful for the Bills. Thoughts? Wow I’m actually surprised to hear that , I would have thought that every NFL team has a coach especially when you have a rookie kicker , or when you need that on site kick , every game is so close that a kick can win or lose a game for you Edited September 20, 2020 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Looked to me like he was just kicking a little bit of a draw. Maybe he feels more comfortable that way. Hopefully he will be consistent with it. I thought he was pushing it a bit, however, "draw" may be the correct term. Ultimately, I think the power in his kicks cause it to appear that way, and it is just how he kicks. A kicking coach may help control the power. Who knows? I'm impressed, with the power, regardless. Just appears like it may be a bit wild, for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 12:15 PM, Limeaid said: Team flite? Not sure you know what that word means but flite is a synonym for quarrel. Seriously why did you feel the need to tell me that? I bet you were one of those nerds in high school who got a swirley in the toilet. I spell words in a way that looks better. Just like Thru versus Through. I seriously can not stand this message board. Between the nonsense about Covid and Social Justice on here for the past 3-6 months, and BS from clowns like you, I am done!! This place used to be about football football football. Don't know what happened. But it has become unreadable. I would rather spend my free time on an online gambling site then this nonsense. Wow it is painful to read. (Other then Yolo, GunnerBill and a few others just not worth the Paup's time) Bam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Paup 1995MVP said: I seriously can not stand this message board. Between the nonsense about Covid and Social Justice on here for the past 3-6 months, and BS from clowns like you, I am done!! I got a varsity letter in Football and was officer in varsity club just showing you know little in multiple subjects. Too bad the mods here do not ban the whiners "I am done". I am sure you will post again and whine again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I guess the Bills have become fixated on strong and inaccurate. Luckily, Josh seems to have fixed that issue. Bass will get better as well. Between Bass' leg and Allen's arm, I'm not sure which one would send the football further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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