Lmao, Tyrod’s gonna start another football game ?

[Julio Hopkins]

4 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

tyrod sucked and couldn’t score 10 points. 
 

the end. 

 

Tyrod played meh and the offense looked lost as a whole, just like the regular season.  

 

the end. 

[Another Fan]

On 9/2/2020 at 10:39 PM, BarleyNY said:

That’s Taylor’s niche.  He’s a modestly compensated (by NFL standards), bridge QB.  I tip my hat to him for making a fine living by doing that.  The only issue with him here was that most Bills fans convinced themselves that he was more than that when the team ignored the need at QB and kept trotting him out as the starter.  Then they got pissy when he didn’t live up to that hype.  

Sums him up well.

 

I might add though one of his strengths I think is a certain amount of professionalism he brings to the game.  Yeah the few games he started with the Browns he wasn't great but I think he was a good mentor in the process for Baker.  Notice how Baker's head was still straight for 2018.  Imo anyway part of that was having a sort of presence like that around he looked up to.  

[T master]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:36 PM, Buffalo619 said:

 he wants out of LA and Cali in general. 

 

Well it would be justified there is a mass exodus from out in the liberal west coast I have already seen a bunch of folks around Nashville that have fled there so can't blame Anthony . 

 

Especially after living in Western NY that must have been a shock moving out there ...

Edited September 5, 2020 by T master

[C.Biscuit97]

19 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I don’t think they’re exactly comparable. Daboll’s passing schemes are likely better and they prefer very different personnel groupings. Roman’s run schemes are the most innovative ground attack since Shanahan shot Terrell Davis to stardom with zone blocking. As a result, Roman’s schemes aren’t reliant upon traditional QB play, but those schemes and his playcalling tend to get figured out by the better defenses after a few seasons. It remains to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what occurred here and in SF.

When has Daboll’s schemes ever been successful??? His resume is awful.  

29 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well it would be justified there is a mass exodus from out in the liberal west coast I have already seen a bunch of folks around Nashville that have fled there so can't blame Anthony . 

 

Especially after living in Western NY that must have been a shock moving out there ...

Haha.  You know Nashville leans liberal right?  You guys know that biggest cities in the conservative south also tend to lean liberal as well right?

 

oh wait.  I bet this mass exodus of people from liberal California and NYC will definitely be going to super conservatives places like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama.  I can already see it know.  Jackson, Mississippi- the new Hollywood.

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

When has Daboll’s schemes ever been successful??? His resume is awful.  
 

It certainly is. I’m not arguing that. Simply arguing that his system won’t work without a certain level of QB play, as opposed to Roman’s which is less conventional. 
 

Haha.  You know Nashville leans liberal right?  You guys know that biggest cities in the conservative south also tend to lean liberal as well right?

I think people see red state and assume the cities lean conservative as well which isn’t the case.

 

[stinky finger]

On 9/2/2020 at 11:00 PM, ScottLaw said:

Lol. It did work for two years.... It’s exactly what Lynn did in 2016 here. It would be great if the 2020 Bills offense is as good as the 2016 Bills offense.... best Bills offense in a long time.... and it’s really not close.

 

Long for the days of TT, do ya? 

[97bills]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:36 PM, Buffalo619 said:

Herbert is ready. Lynn is doing his usually sabotage because he wants out of LA and Cali in general. 

You act like the guy has been a head coach for 15 years and has a better team to go to. 🤔

[Matt_In_NH]

So is Teddy Bridgewater, they are kind of the same.....

[T master]

On 9/5/2020 at 9:47 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

When has Daboll’s schemes ever been successful??? His resume is awful.  

Haha.  You know Nashville leans liberal right?  You guys know that biggest cities in the conservative south also tend to lean liberal as well right?

 

oh wait.  I bet this mass exodus of people from liberal California and NYC will definitely be going to super conservatives places like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama.  I can already see it know.  Jackson, Mississippi- the new Hollywood.

 

The city and it's new leadership is Liberal but out in the country not even close to liberal you have your few that still have those thoughts but choose to live out where common sense is the norm .

[DrDawkinstein]

On 9/5/2020 at 10:18 AM, T master said:

 

Well it would be justified there is a mass exodus from out in the liberal west coast I have already seen a bunch of folks around Nashville that have fled there so can't blame Anthony . 

 

Especially after living in Western NY that must have been a shock moving out there ...

 

We made it NINE PAGES, and in a TeddyKGB thread no less, without getting political. But some folks just cant help themselves. And for such nonsense too, referring to Southern California as "liberal", lol.

 

Anyways...

 

Tyrod and the offense SUCKED. Dennison shouldnt have been allowed to fly back with the team. He was always a fill-in anyways. Give him the ol Lane Kiffin (speaking of SoCal)!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 9/3/2020 at 10:46 PM, ScottLaw said:

What 21 PPG? When? 
 

We are talking about a full season here. You can’t just cherry pick a few games.... Bortles outplayed Big Ben the next week by the way. 

 

Look at the stats.

 

Both EJ and TT had scored over 20 ppg on average for the season.  

 

On 9/3/2020 at 10:51 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

If Bortles outplayed Tyrod it was by a pretty slim margin 

 

17/37 for 134 yards 0 TD 1 INT 

7 rushes 27 yards

 

vs

 

12/23 for 87 yards 1 TD 0 INT

10 rushes 88 yards

 

I vividly recall Bortles throwing into the dirt multiple times when he was not pressured and had a wide open dump off (just flat out missed Fournette) 

 

Bortles got the Win.  

 

It was a contest to 

Make him a QB for both sides.

 

Bortles came out on top. 

 

On 9/5/2020 at 12:38 AM, Julio Hopkins said:

 

Tyrod played meh and the offense looked lost as a whole, just like the regular season.  

 

the end. 

 

Correct

 

The End of TT's career in Buffalo. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 9/4/2020 at 2:52 PM, SirAndrew said:

I wanted Tyrod out of here, because I knew we weren’t winning a Super Bowl with him. Moving on was still a risk because you might be downgrading the QB position inadvertently. He just didn’t have what it takes to lead a team anywhere. The TT fans never understood that.
 

However, I also recognize in hindsight that he was one of our best post Kelly QB’s. That isn’t saying much because we’ve had garbage, but he deserves some credit. The same people who trash Tyrod look back at the Bledsoe, Fitz, and even the Orton years fondly. I’ll never understand that. Tyrod had more success with this team than many of those guys who are often fondly remembered. I was a harsh critic of TT, but even I must admit what he accomplished here. It was nothing spectacular, but he doesn’t deserve to be trashed, while we reminisce about how amazing Fitz was. 

I equally hated all of those QB's because I knew right away that none of them were going to get the Bills to a Super Bowl. Fitz was probably the most exciting to watch and Tyrod was probably the most boring. It's going to be fun reading the 20 TT threads on the Chargers message board. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that part of the reason that I always defend Tyrod around here is because people treat him as interchangeable with EJ, Bledsoe, Edwards, Losman, etc.. He was not that.
 

Tyrod and Fitz (who gets a pass because everyone loves him) were the only okay starting QBs of the last 20 years (before JA). Orton had some moments as did Bledsoe. Only Tyrod and Fitz though had periods of sustained success. The problem however, is that the ceiling was lower. They weren’t going to win Super Bowls but they could win NFL games. That’s why they are starting games in 2020 still while those others washed out of the league (although Bledsoe had a few years to stink in Dallas).

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that part of the reason that I always defend Tyrod around here is because people treat him as interchangeable with EJ, Bledsoe, Edwards, Losman, etc.. He was not that.
 

Tyrod and Fitz (who gets a pass because everyone loves him) were the only okay starting QBs of the last 20 years (before JA). Orton had some moments as did Bledsoe. Only Tyrod and Fitz though had periods of sustained success. The problem however, is that the ceiling was lower. They weren’t going to win Super Bowls but they could win NFL games. That’s why they are starting games in 2020 still while those others washed out of the league (although Bledsoe had a few years to stink in Dallas).

I agree with that fully. There’s a difference between not leading your team to the Super Bowl, and being downright awful. I have a tough time comparing Tyrod and Fitz though, because they were such different players. Tyrod obviously won more games, but also played on a better team. My only issue is the idea that Fitz had “sustained success”. That thought is generally accepted on this board. I truly don’t understand at what point Fitz had sustained success with the Bills? He beat the Pats, but mostly struggled outside of the occasional big game. It seems to be more of a sacred cow scenario with Fitz than anything grounded in reality.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree with that fully. There’s a difference between not leading your team to the Super Bowl, and being downright awful. I have a tough time comparing Tyrod and Fitz though, because they were such different players. Tyrod obviously won more games, but also played on a better team. My only issue is the idea that Fitz had “sustained success”. That thought is generally accepted on this board. I truly don’t understand at what point Fitz had sustained success with the Bills? He beat the Pats, but mostly struggled outside of the occasional big game. It seems to be more of a sacred cow scenario with Fitz than anything grounded in reality.

That’s fair and I’d have Tyrod ahead of Fitz but close. Fitz made plays and made mistakes. Tyrod mostly did neither. He was a very good game manager. That’s not an insult. Fitz’s “sustained success” was more that he rarely was awful. He was like a poor man’s version of 2019 Phil Rivers.

[Nextmanup]

36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

In 2 games? Come on dude.

 

The Bills averaged something like 26 PPG with Tyrod as their starter in 2016. I'd love to see that kind of production from such a highly touted group in Allen and Daboll on this message board. 

 

 

 

It's weird.  It is standard operating procedure at this board, now, to mock Tuh-ROD.

 

And yet Josh Allen is heralded as the savior, despite not much to support that.

 

I think it's a question of timing.

 

 

[shoshin]

Can't hate Tyrod. He was just not good enough and clearly not a long term answer. I don't know yet if Josh is either but I'm optimistic based on what I've seen that he can be. 

 

TT's 3 yard dump offs on 3rd and 9 drew out more curses than anything Josh has yet to do. 

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

It's very weird.... destroy the QB who led the best Bills offense in YEARS.... Almost a TD better per game than the Josh Allen and Brian Daboll led offense.

Folks tend to support players on the team NOW, and very quickly forget or turn on players once they leave.

 

It's an incredibly simplistic approach, but there it is.

 

I will never forget the love/support Kiko Alonso got here, when he was on the team.

 

When news broke he had been traded to Philly, people couldn't believe it and thought the thread was a joke.

 

Very shortly thereafter, the tune changed and people started attacking him.

Now it's SOP to make fun of him, too.

 

So where are we in the cycle for Josh Allen?

 

He becomes Tuh-ROD by the end of this year, at least among a sizable portion of the fanbase not on his side.

 

That's my biggest prediction for the season actually.

 

The excuses stop now!

 

 

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

Look at the stats.

 

Both EJ and TT had scored over 20 ppg on average for the season.  

 

 

Bortles got the Win.  

 

It was a contest to 

Make him a QB for both sides.

 

Bortles came out on top. 

 

 

Correct

 

The End of TT's career in Buffalo. 

 

So the only thing that matters is that Bortles won? 

 

Does that mean Bortles outplayed Roethlisberger in the playoffs that year?

 

Bortles was 14/26 for 214 yards 1 TD 0 INT 

 

Big Ben was 37/58 for 468 yards 5 TD 1 INT 

 

Jaguars won the game 45-42 

[Buffalo03]

On 9/2/2020 at 10:29 PM, Teddy KGB said:

Guess this is Anthony Lynn’s final season. 
 

Those poor wide recievers.   

Exactly why I stayed away from Keenan Allen in Fantasy this year. I was not about to draft him when Tyrod is gonna barely throwing for 100 yards himself

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Exactly why I stayed away from Keenan Allen in Fantasy this year. I was not about to draft him when Tyrod is gonna barely throwing for 100 yards himself

Ekeler is the play tho.

[DrDawkinstein]

From the background of this screen cap from Hard Knocks, looks like Lynn starting Tyrod makes sense...

 

[Rocky Landing]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

From the background of this screen cap from Hard Knocks, looks like Lynn starting Tyrod makes sense...

 

Holy crap!

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Holy crap!

 

I mean, god bless anyone who wants to reference our game plans from 2015.

 

"This one here is called let Jay Ajayi run for 240 yards"

[CaptnCoke11]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:31 PM, ALF said:

They don't want to put Herbert in there before he is ready

Tyrod isn’t ready either 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

In 2 games? Come on dude.

 

The Bills averaged something like 26 PPG with Tyrod as their starter in 2016. I'd love to see that kind of production from such a highly touted group in Allen and Daboll on this message board. 

 

 

 

check the archives from the EJ era. 
 

And where did you get 2 games from?

 

[billsfan89]

37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

In 2 games? Come on dude.

 

The Bills averaged something like 26 PPG with Tyrod as their starter in 2016. I'd love to see that kind of production from such a highly touted group in Allen and Daboll on this message board. 

 

 

PPG can be misleading. I am not hating on Tyrod but you can run up PPG in many ways. If you have a bad defense that is giving up 30+ a game and you get some garbage time TD's to close a 17 point lead to a 10 point lead then your PPG goes up but not in a meaningful way. Tyrod's ppg benefitted from the 2015 and 2016 Rex led defenses being horrid. Josh in 2019 however had a great defense and leads late in games. Leads late means running out the clock and grinding down possessions which leads to deflated point totals. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tyrod and Fitz (who gets a pass because everyone loves him)

 

Time out.  Are you saying that Fitz got a pass from us here when he was the Bills QB?

 

Ain't so

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Time out.  Are you saying that Fitz got a pass from us here when he was the Bills QB?

 

Ain't so

No, but in hindsight he certainly has. Fitz is lovable. We all still like the guy and he played QB for the Jets AND Dolphins since being here. Everyone treats him as a goofy gunslinger that just wasn’t quite good enough.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No, but in hindsight he certainly has. Fitz is lovable. We all still like the guy and he played QB for the Jets AND Dolphins since being here. Everyone treats him as a goofy gunslinger that just wasn’t quite good enough.

 

Yes, but he played for those teams AFTER us, and when we already knew what he was. I love being on the receiving end of those 4th quarter interceptions. So it can be argued that he is still benefiting our team. 😆

 

Plus, he has said that when reflecting back on his career, through all the teams, he considers himself a Bill first and foremost.

[C.Biscuit97]

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No, but in hindsight he certainly has. Fitz is lovable. We all still like the guy and he played QB for the Jets AND Dolphins since being here. Everyone treats him as a goofy gunslinger that just wasn’t quite good enough.

I always thought it was funny that Fitz is from Harvard (don’t know if you know that!) but he played the exact opposite way.  Made some terrible decisions and would lead block on runs.

 

if Fitz had a real arm, he would have been a top 10 qb.  Still had a career better than 85% of qbs.

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Got any heat maps to go with this take? 

29 games of 'run up' PPG is something I'd be happy to have starting Sunday. Especially when it comes with more wins than losses. Still, a portion must do everything possible to rationalize their viewpoint. 

[SirAndrew]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's insane. 

 

Im ok with the argument that the offense benefited from a very friendly and effective system implemented by Greg Roman. But the "garbage TDs inflated the PPG" takes is laughable. 

 

And I like Allen. I think the lack offense to this point is due to their OC and conservative HC. 

I think those are fair points. Tyrod was never going to take this team very fair. He just didn’t have the tools to QB a championship team. He still deserves more credit for what he did here. There was a brief moment where he led the best drought era offense. He hasn’t gone on to have much success elsewhere, but had a couple decent seasons with us. People have forgotten how Tyrod was dynamic with legs, and had a great deep ball. 
 

I think some of it stems from our last memories of Tyrod with the 2018 team. He was the QB under a new regime who rightfully wanted to move on from him. They gave him the role of a game manager with the mission of not losing games. Taylor excelled in that role, but the brilliant deep throws and running game from his first two seasons as starter basically disappeared. The 2018 team also had an absolutely pathetic supporting cast of skill position players. Tyrod was never a risk taking QB, but it seemed like the Tyrod of old had been coached out of him. I attribute that to your final point regarding the conservative nature of McD involving his offense. Allen has the tools to succeed, hopefully coaching allows our offensive to enter the 21st century. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Julio Hopkins]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

It's weird.  It is standard operating procedure at this board, now, to mock Tuh-ROD.

 

And yet Josh Allen is heralded as the savior, despite not much to support that.

 

I think it's a question of timing.

 

 

 

It's downright hilarious, Allen has the exact same issues that people perceive Tyrod as having.  The only major difference is Allen has major ball security issues.

[YoloinOhio]

To answer the OP...

 

no, he isn’t 

[Teddy KGB]

On 9/2/2020 at 11:40 PM, Nextmanup said:

Funny how much this applies to our current QB.

 

The same people who vehemently defend him now did the same for Tuh-ROD when he was on the team! 

 

 

 

On 9/3/2020 at 10:49 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

What a stupid thread.  Maybe we should wait until our current qb averages more passing yards than Tyrod did when he was here.

 

i was more than ready to move on from Tyrod but this is just garbage and salty.  He is a good guy, decent if unspectacular qb, and helped us end the drought.  Why trash him?

It’s so weird the double standards people have here.  We just had the 23th ranked scoring offense and people are ready to build a statue.  Yet, we have a thread trashing the guy who helped us get a 10 and 12th ranked scoring offense. 
 

It’s like some people are trapped in some weird echo chamber with the Bills. 

He’s actually above .500.  He is a slightly worse version of Alex Smith.  Why he gets trashed is weird to me.  And I was hardly a big fan of his.  

lmao, it’s the Tyrod is better than Allen crew 🤣🤣😂

 

Man lost his job after 1 week 2 years in a row with 2 different teams 😂🙃😂

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

To answer the OP...

 

no, he isn’t 

Unless herbert gets injured, I don't see tyrod starting another game

 

(This comment is more that herbert has looked much better than expected)

[Warcodered]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:04 PM, Julio Hopkins said:

 

It's downright hilarious, Allen has the exact same issues that people perceive Tyrod as having.  The only major difference is Allen has major ball security issues.

[LeGOATski]

Seems like the Tyrod vs Josh "debate" is over.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:29 PM, Teddy KGB said:

Guess this is Anthony Lynn’s final season. 
 

Those poor wide recievers.   

Tyrod is horrid, any HC that starts him should be fired on the spot. HC's that will probably be fired this year or next are Lynn, Flores and Gase.