Field position and points: Keep Bass, Hauschka, Edwards and Bojorquez on the 53

[Rc2catch]

I’m not even sold both punters will be on the team week 1. The kickers the job is for Bass to win, rookie with a monster leg and cheap contract. It’s a no brainer if he can perform. I like Haush but he’s never quite been on since the jet game. Might as well roll with the rookie and if he bombs when it counts I’m sure there’ll be vet free agents available 

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

People laughed last year when the OP suggested the offensive line rolling rotation, he he got the last laugh!

Innovators are always laughed at by the sheep.

[Punching Bag]

50 minutes ago, Mango said:

I am super unsure if you are trolling. 

So the Bills are keeping 4 kickers, 3 QB's, plus Dimarco, Taiwan Jones, and Andre Roberts because of their ST ability not because they provide any usefulness on their side of the ball. That is like 20% of our final roster. Who are the other 10 players you cut from the 53? Or don't dress as part of the 46? 

 

Redo your math and ask question again.  There will be at least 2 kickers and 2 QBs on roster so those are not part of 10 and QBs provide usefulness on their side of the ball.  You are using fuzzy math to try to make your point but it does the opposite.

[BringBackFergy]

13 minutes ago, Mountain Man said:

As ideas go this is one of the worst I've read in quite a while

Yeah? I notice not too many people are buying jerseys for he 7th CB on the roster or the 8th Olineman.

 

Hypothetical: Your pantry holds a limited supply of food and you have 20 cans of tomato soup (five for "back up"), doesn't it make sense to get rid of 3 or 4 cans to make room for crackers, hot sauce and sardines? You'll never get to use those extra cans of soup...get something in your pantry that makes a difference.

[BuffaloBillies]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Yeah? I notice not too many people are buying jerseys for he 7th CB on the roster or the 8th Olineman.

 

Hypothetical: Your pantry holds a limited supply of food and you have 20 cans of tomato soup (five for "back up"), doesn't it make sense to get rid of 3 or 4 cans to make room for crackers, hot sauce and sardines? You'll never get to use those extra cans of soup...get something in your pantry that makes a difference.

 

You lost me at sardines.

[klos63]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

We all can agree, NFL games are won and lost by field position and points. A bad punt can leave your defense with a short field.  A missed 55 yd field goal - no points.

 

This team is ready to win, and winning requires good field position and points.

 

Keep Bass as our long field goal kicker...anything over 50 yards, he comes on the field.

Keep Hauschka for the 20-40 yd field goals...he's money.

Keep Bojorquez for shorter punts when you need the ball placed inside the 15 yd line or when there's a southeasterly wind at the stadium (to crate a cross wind with his left foot).

Keep Edwards for longer punts and drop kicks. He's Australian and they utilize the drop kick a lot in that league. Would be a nice wrinkle for the Bills and can score points.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Do we need another kicker for the 40-49 yard kicks?

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Do we need another kicker for the 40-49 yard kicks?

 

Now you're just being silly.

[gobilz]

Dum

[klos63]

Just now, SWATeam said:

 

Now you're just being silly.

well, he didn't address that in his post. We would have looked silly at the end of the 4th qtr against Houston to not have a kicker on the roster to tie the game.

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m not even sold both punters will be on the team week 1. The kickers the job is for Bass to win, rookie with a monster leg and cheap contract. It’s a no brainer if he can perform. I like Haush but he’s never quite been on since the jet game. Might as well roll with the rookie and if he bombs when it counts I’m sure there’ll be vet free agents available 

 

Edwards will be I'd bet.  But hopefully they bring in more competition. 

[bigK14094]

I recall in past years, a strong leg for kickoffs was kept.   He ended up doing it all when the regular kicker got hurt.  Can't remember the names or the year.  Of course, Haush got hurt last year and the Bills could have used a replacement then as well but didn't have one.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

If we keep Bass because he can make 50+ yard FG's then surely he can make ones from 20-40 yards too

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

I would challenge you to create a proof that is better than the above. You know why you can't? Because my proof is plausible. Adding/keeping 4 skill kickers by reducing two depth players at a position of strength equals an increase in points (and better field position). My theory holds true and there's not much you can say to detract from the proof itself.

 

LOL.  You can challenge me all you want but i am not going to  waste more time on this idiocy of a "proof" and yes I could create one about as vapid and worthless as yours.

 

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

9 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

If we keep Bass because he can make 50+ yard FG's then surely he can make ones from 20-40 yards too

But what if House money is better at the 20-40 yarders but Bass is better at the longer ones???

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, SWATeam said:

But what if House money is better at the 20-40 yarders but Bass is better at the longer ones???

 

Exactly.

Hausch is probably something like 85% solid up to 49 yards, unproven Bass might range from 35-85% up to 49 yards.  Beyond 50 Hausch is borderline 5%, Bass is probably 33%.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

But what if House money is better at the 20-40 yarders but Bass is better at the longer ones???

 

 

Im just saying for sake of argument, assuming Bass has little to no issues hitting 50+ yards (which would be the reason we kept him), I would see no reason why he would struggle with hitting FG's from 20-40 as well.

 

Just don't see why we need to keep 2 kickers. I don't even like the idea of keeping one fir kickoff specialist. I just feel we could better use the roster spot

[Punching Bag]

Bass is probably a better kickoff player but in reality we will not know until season starts.

 

IMO it was dumb for the NFL to expose its neck to alphadog NFLPA.  They should have had at least one preseason game.  Now NFLPA will be pushing to eliminate all preseason games every year as they were before COVID-19.

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

 

Im just saying for sake of argument, assuming Bass has little to no issues hitting 50+ yards (which would be the reason we kept him), I would see no reason why he would struggle with hitting FG's from 20-40 as well.

 

Just don't see why we need to keep 2 kickers. I don't even like the idea of keeping one fir kickoff specialist. I just feel we could better use the roster spot

I suggest you refer back to Fergies formula on the subject.  It's simple math.  Unless you are not interested in scoring more points???

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

 

Im just saying for sake of argument, assuming Bass has little to no issues hitting 50+ yards (which would be the reason we kept him), I would see no reason why he would struggle with hitting FG's from 20-40 as well.

 

Just don't see why we need to keep 2 kickers. I don't even like the idea of keeping one fir kickoff specialist. I just feel we could better use the roster spot

 

As an unproven rookie he might struggle with both BUT the difference is he can at least get the leg for 50+_, at this point i dont think Hausch does at all so for long field goals aren't an option for the Bills with just Hausch.

 

As close as NFL games are at least be able to try a long field goal is a massive potential advantage.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

I suggest you refer back to Fergies formula on the subject.  It's simple math.  Unless you are not interested in scoring more points???

 

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

As an unproven rookie he might struggle with both BUT the difference is he can at least get the leg for 50+_, at this point i dont think Hausch does at all so for long field goals aren't an option for the Bills with just Hausch.

 

As close as NFL games are at least be able to try a long field goal is a massive potential advantage.

 

 

Fair points. I guess I would rather just keep Bass on the protected PS list if he isn't the clear cut winner

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Is Garrison Sanborn available to snap the ball ?

He was foolishly let go and immediately signed by Super Bowl runnerup San Francisco.  The 49ers know what it takes to win in this league and it takes a franchise long snapper.

[NewEra]

I was thinking the same thing.  I actually had a dream about this scenario.  

[RyanC883]

two kickers is a good idea, esp. given the range benefit of Bass and the short accuracy of Hauschka.  But I think 2 punters is 1 too many.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Missed 55 yd field goals = Gift to the opposing offense.

Bad punt = Gift to opposing offense.

 

If you excel at skill players on ST (by reducing number of depth players at CB or OL for instance) you increase your chances of winning based on the theorum I wrote below:

 

ST Player1, ST Player2, ST Player3, ST Player4 x .50 (50% increase in convertible field position points) - CB4 x OL4 = 33% Increase in Points 

I see someone stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

He was foolishly let go and immediately signed by Super Bowl runnerup San Francisco.  The 49ers know what it takes to win in this league and it takes a franchise long snapper.

 

Let go by Tampa and picked up by 49ers.

 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Care	Care				163		35	19	16	0	0		11
8 yr	8 yr	BUF			128	0	31	17	14	0	0		9
2 yr	2 yr	TAM			32	0	4	2	2	0	0		2
2009	24	BUF		65	16	0	1	1	0	0	0		1
2010	25	BUF		65	16	0	5	2	3	0	0		1
2011	26	BUF		65	16	0	5	4	1	0	0		1
2012	27	BUF		65	16	0	2	2	0	0	0		1
2013	28	BUF		65	16	0	9	4	5	0	0		1
2014	29	BUF		65	16	0	2	0	2	0	0		2
2015	30	BUF		65	16	0	3	3	0	0	0		1
2016	31	BUF		65	16	0	4	1	3	0	0		1
2017	32	TAM		65	16	0							1
2018	33	TAM		89	16	0	4	2	2	0	0		1
2019	34	SFO		89	3	0							0

 

[BuffaloBillies]

 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

Let go by Tampa and picked up by 49ers.

 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Care	Care				163		35	19	16	0	0		11
8 yr	8 yr	BUF			128	0	31	17	14	0	0		9
2 yr	2 yr	TAM			32	0	4	2	2	0	0		2
2009	24	BUF		65	16	0	1	1	0	0	0		1
2010	25	BUF		65	16	0	5	2	3	0	0		1
2011	26	BUF		65	16	0	5	4	1	0	0		1
2012	27	BUF		65	16	0	2	2	0	0	0		1
2013	28	BUF		65	16	0	9	4	5	0	0		1
2014	29	BUF		65	16	0	2	0	2	0	0		2
2015	30	BUF		65	16	0	3	3	0	0	0		1
2016	31	BUF		65	16	0	4	1	3	0	0		1
2017	32	TAM		65	16	0							1
2018	33	TAM		89	16	0	4	2	2	0	0		1
2019	34	SFO		89	3	0							0

 

Right because that old Tampa regime didn't know what they had.  San Francisco recognizes talent and rode Sanborn all the way nearly winning a championship in the process.

 

And before any of you idiots starts in with "but, bbb, but, but...Jauronimo....he only played in 3 games in..in, in....2019????" ; well, John Cazale only acted in 5 movies and those 5 movies are The Godfather, The Conversation, The Godfather II, Dog Day Afternoon, and The Deer Hunter all of which were nominated for best picture.  Watch the friggin tape!!!!

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Clearly, anyone who doesn’t like this idea hates America.

[gordong]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

We all can agree, NFL games are won and lost by field position and points. A bad punt can leave your defense with a short field.  A missed 55 yd field goal - no points.

 

This team is ready to win, and winning requires good field position and points.

 

Keep Bass as our long field goal kicker...anything over 50 yards, he comes on the field.

Keep Hauschka for the 20-40 yd field goals...he's money.

Keep Bojorquez for shorter punts when you need the ball placed inside the 15 yd line or when there's a southeasterly wind at the stadium (to crate a cross wind with his left foot).

Keep Edwards for longer punts and drop kicks. He's Australian and they utilize the drop kick a lot in that league. Would be a nice wrinkle for the Bills and can score points.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 So what position group are you going to go short on to keep 4 kickers???   The answer is resounding NO

[klos63]

43 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

But what if House money is better at the 20-40 yarders but Bass is better at the longer ones???

My first comment was as a joke, but why are people ignoring the 40-49 yard range when assessing these 2 kickers?

[billsfan89]

No way on two punters, Bojo or Edwards should be good enough, I don't see either one being a good complement to each other. Bass and Hauch might be interesting if Bass can be a kickoff specialist and take on deeper kicks. I could see them doing two kickers but not two punters. 

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, gordong said:

 

 

 So what position group are you going to go short on to keep 4 kickers???   The answer is resounding NO

Ideally you'd keep 6 kickers in the event that the ball gets spotted on the opposite hash. Two punters, one right-footed short field goal specialist, one right-footed long field goal specialist, one left-footed short field goal specialist, and one left-footed long field goal specialist.

[apuszczalowski]

Remember the tantrums around here over the bills having a 'Kickoff Specialist'? 

Now they are going to keep an extra kicker and an extra punter?

54 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Right because that old Tampa regime didn't know what they had.  San Francisco recognizes talent and rode Sanborn all the way nearly winning a championship in the process.

 

And before any of you idiots starts in with "but, bbb, but, but...Jauronimo....he only played in 3 games in..in, in....2019????" ; well, John Cazale only acted in 5 movies and those 5 movies are The Godfather, The Conversation, The Godfather II, Dog Day Afternoon, and The Deer Hunter all of which were nominated for best picture.  Watch the friggin tape!!!!

Greatest actor ever based on percentages?

Sanbourn the greatest Long snapper ever? hmmmmmm

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

2 Ks and 2 Punters? Brilliant....do we a snapper for each as well?

 

Don't forget the placekick holding specialist. At least two!

Edited August 21, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[Punching Bag]

50 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Clearly, anyone who doesn’t like this idea hates America.

 

if represented by America's Team yes.

[ChevyVanMiller]

I was thinking the same thing as the OP, only with the WRs on the roster. If we want to win this year, we have to keep them all. Each will be used in special situations.

 

Cole Beasley - Anytime we need a quick slant for a 1st down. Also, anytime we want a player to high-step in into the endzone with a TD on National TV.

 

John Brown - 50-yard bombs and longer.

 

Gabriel Davis - Also, bombs and he can tell the DB at the line of scrimmage, "I smoked Tre in practice with this one."

 

Stefon Diggs - We go to him whenever pure greatness is called for on a particular play.

 

Robert Foster - Used whenever we need a WR to drop an easy one to instill a false sense of confidence in the opposition.

 

Isaiah Hodgins/Isaiah McKenzie - Used as a tandem when we want to run the old "High/Low, Mutt and Jeff" trick play. Also, McKenzie gets all of the end arounds.

 

Andre Roberts - Return kicks only and takes WR reps when 5 or more of the other WRs go on IR.

 

Duke Williams - He will appease the Canadian fan base and will be there to temper expectations in the post-season.

 

 

[scribo]

I'm guessing the original post in this thread was a joke. This season, of all seasons, every single roster spot is needed. There is no way the Bills sacrifice depth to keep more than 1 kicker and 1 punter.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Clearly, anyone who doesn’t like this idea hates America.

In this house, SCIENCE IS REAL.

[BillsFanForever19]

I can be talked into keeping both Hauschka and Bass given that there's no preseason and it's a lot to just throw someone who's never kicked in the NFL straight into regular games. That and if we cut him, someone would just pick him up. He wouldn't make it to our Practice Squad.

 

As for 2 Punters, why? If something happens to Edwards or Bojorquez - i'm fairly positive we could sign the other back or find someone of comparable skill without issue. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by BillsFanForever19

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

We all can agree, NFL games are won and lost by field position and points. A bad punt can leave your defense with a short field.  A missed 55 yd field goal - no points.

 

This team is ready to win, and winning requires good field position and points.

 

Keep Bass as our long field goal kicker...anything over 50 yards, he comes on the field.

Keep Hauschka for the 20-40 yd field goals...he's money.

Keep Bojorquez for shorter punts when you need the ball placed inside the 15 yd line or when there's a southeasterly wind at the stadium (to crate a cross wind with his left foot).

Keep Edwards for longer punts and drop kicks. He's Australian and they utilize the drop kick a lot in that league. Would be a nice wrinkle for the Bills and can score points.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

OMG. One of the most ridiculous posts EVER. You'll get called on it and come back,claiming it was a joke. Too many other positions need depth, so Bills will keep 1 kicker and 1 punter, period.