Interesting Tidbit About What Prompted the Stefon Trade - NFL NOW

[ndirish1978]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1266451410746556422?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by ndirish1978

[MJS]

People are reading between the lines way too much. Why can't we just take everyone at their word? Diggs is a great receiver, the Vikings were happy to have him. The Bills wanted him and offered a bunch of draft picks. The Vikings liked the offer and the cap relief it provided and said yes.

 

End of story. There's doesn't have to be some deep, dark secret as to why the trade happened.

[CaptnCoke11]

Good.. glad he’s here.  

[17islongenough]

Beane has stated that he only called the Vikings after Diggs sent that tweet.

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

People are reading between the lines way too much. Why can't we just take everyone at their word? Diggs is a great receiver, the Vikings were happy to have him. The Bills wanted him and offered a bunch of draft picks. The Vikings liked the offer and the cap relief it provided and said yes.

 

End of story. There's doesn't have to be some deep, dark secret as to why the trade happened.

meh. If you are thrilled with a elite receiver and great teammate on a team friendly deal, you probably don’t take a pick in the 20s for him.

 

The dude has some history and had some baggage and it’s ok to acknowledge that too without it being a deep dark secret being unearthed. Frankly, even in this story it’s prompted

 by some friction, despite the wed love to have him tone today 

[YoloinOhio]

Beane actually said this is what happened. They had tried to trade for him in October but Vikes wouldn’t do it. Then Bills caught wind of Diggs tweets early in FA and thought hey, let’s give it another shot. And then it went down in a matter of hours.

[njbuff]

No matter what, in the end, Diggs now a Buffalo Bill.

[Logic]

Brandon Beane:

[fansince88]

58 minutes ago, Logic said:

Brandon Beane:

Hmmmm. Brandon Beane.....Marlon Brando....... I see what I could not see now!

[John from Riverside]

I mean right below it is some mook "Diggs is gonna regret leaving"

 

I think its gonna be more like Cousins is gonna miss him......

[BillsFan17]

There was discord on both sides. Diggs wanted out, they accommodated when Buffalo gave a nice haul of picks.

 

Like many have pointed out, its actually pretty accurate to what happened, based on Beane's comments, im not sure why anyone would think it's conjecture.

[eball]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane actually said this is what happened. They had tried to trade for him in October but Vikes wouldn’t do it. Then Bills caught wind of Diggs tweets early in FA and thought hey, let’s give it another shot. And then it went down in a matter of hours.

 

Save your breath, Yolo.  There is a contingent who, for some reason, look for the possible negative consequences of everything the Bills do, waiting to pounce.  I don’t know how they enjoy being fans but to each his own.

[machine gun kelly]

I’m not worried about the deal as he was worth it, and this locker room won’t tolerate antics.  He’ll be targeted a lot, and thus Brown and Beasley will not be able to get double teamed.  The other part is between Singletary and Moss, opposing defenses will have difficulty covering everyone.  It’s going to be a fun year even without many if not any fans in the seats.

[GunnerBill]

I think Diggs is a good guy. I don't think he is anything like the diva sometimes portrayed by some. 

[Doc]

13 hours ago, NoSaint said:

meh. If you are thrilled with a elite receiver and great teammate on a team friendly deal, you probably don’t take a pick in the 20s for him.

 

The dude has some history and had some baggage and it’s ok to acknowledge that too without it being a deep dark secret being unearthed. Frankly, even in this story it’s prompted

 by some friction, despite the wed love to have him tone today 

 

Hopkins was traded for even less.  Like Diggs, never heard much bad (and the bad I heard wasn't all that bad) about him until the trade went down.

[Buffalo Junction]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I mean right below it is some mook "Diggs is gonna regret leaving"

 

I think its gonna be more like Cousins is gonna miss him......

Vikings fans aren’t particularly educated about this team. Another comment made light of our training facilities being old and rundown. ?‍♂️  
 

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Diggs is a good guy. I don't think he is anything like the diva sometimes portrayed by some. 

I’m sure there a little fire causing the smoke. That said, a change of scenery could easily fix the issues. Particularly if he shows out and the fans get behind him. Very few fanbases can be as vocal and supportive as Bills Mafia. I think he’ll probably benefit from playing with Allen too, as I can’t recall the Vikings having a fiery on field competitor at QB during Diggs tenure. 

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Vikings fans aren’t particularly educated about this team. Another comment made light of our training facilities being old and rundown. ?‍♂️  
 

I’m sure there a little fire causing the smoke. That said, a change of scenery could easily fix the issues. Particularly if he shows out and the fans get behind him. Very few fanbases can be as vocal and supportive as Bills Mafia. I think he’ll probably benefit from playing with Allen too, as I can’t recall the Vikings having a fiery on field competitor at QB during Diggs tenure. 

Yep, Allen is a gunslinger who’s willing to take chances. I think he’s the type of QB who realizes you get the ball to your playmakers, even if they are covered. I don’t see a TO situation where you have a guy like Trent Edwards who was afraid to force the ball to his playmaker. Diggs should get his chances, personally I’m more concerned with Daboll making a game plan that utilizes all this talent, as opposed to Allen not getting them ball. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Hopkins was traded for even less.  Like Diggs, never heard much bad (and the bad I heard wasn't all that bad) about him until the trade went down.

You didn’t hear anything bad about Diggs last season? There’s a reason he was bandied about as a trade possibility in the season. Hopkins was not.

 

Diggs was getting fined and tweeting cryptic stuff early last year. That’s why we inquired in the first place.

[JohnC]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Diggs is a good guy. I don't think he is anything like the diva sometimes portrayed by some. 

Some coaches are too rigid to tolerate lively personalities who don't always fully embrace the company line. There was some volatile/petulant and selfish behavior on the player's part. But he wasn't a bad guy or a poisonous influence in the locker room. Coaches like Zimmer have to realize that the Marine drill sergeant approach to coaching players doesn't work in the long run in this era. The job of a coach is to manage a wide array of personalities as it is designing schemes for the offense or defense.

 

Diggs was a talented and passionate player who also was one of the hardest working players on the team. Without question there were times when he was a challenge to deal with. When you make the room small it shouldn't be surprising that some people want to escape from that suffocating room. 

Edited May 30, 2020 by JohnC

[Doc]

33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You didn’t hear anything bad about Diggs last season? There’s a reason he was bandied about as a trade possibility in the season. Hopkins was not.

 

Diggs was getting fined and tweeting cryptic stuff early last year. That’s why we inquired in the first place.

 

Either I didn't hear it or I forgot about it quickly. 

[Don Otreply]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

People are reading between the lines way too much. Why can't we just take everyone at their word? Diggs is a great receiver, the Vikings were happy to have him. The Bills wanted him and offered a bunch of draft picks. The Vikings liked the offer and the cap relief it provided and said yes.

 

End of story. There's doesn't have to be some deep, dark secret as to why the trade happened.

This ^^^
 

 

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Either I didn't hear it or I forgot about it quickly. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/01/stefon-diggs-vikings-saints-nfc-wild-card-helmet-cousins-tantrum

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/3/20897444/minnesota-vikings-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-kirk-cousins-adam-thielen

 

Here are a couple things that happened with him last season.  For the record, I was still a big supporter of the trade.  Making it was no brainer for the Bills IMO.  Great move.  But my only caveat was that it does carry some risk due to how things went with Diggs and Cousins.  Still, you make that deal.  This stuff was the only reason he was available at all. 

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Either I didn't hear it or I forgot about it quickly. 

 

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/01/stefon-diggs-vikings-saints-nfc-wild-card-helmet-cousins-tantrum

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/3/20897444/minnesota-vikings-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-kirk-cousins-adam-thielen

 

Here are a couple things that happened with him last season.  For the record, I was still a big supporter of the trade.  Making it was no brainer for the Bills IMO.  Great move.  But my only caveat was that it does carry some risk due to how things went with Diggs and Cousins.  Still, you make that deal.  This stuff was the only reason he was available at all. 

Yeah, some kind of friction or conflict is the reason that him and Hopkins were available.

 

I loved the deal. Diggs is absolutely worth the risk and trade comp and I'm hoping he gets 150 targets a year and everyone wins.

Edited May 30, 2020 by FireChans

[Doc]

I think the issues were Thielen taking away a lot of targets as well as going to more of a run-oriented game.  I don't think there will be any question he's the #1 WR with the Bills.

[3rdand12]

At first i was concerned and then the trade occurred. I was thinking "Wow thats a lot to risk Mr. Beanes "
But once i settled down a tad and started reading more? I feel this is a fine acquisition in many ways.
 And i think Diggs is going to have fun wearing a Bills Uni.

So many weapons for Daboll and Josh.

 We might start out rough (as many teams will) but when this Offensive Team gels ? Beast. mark it down

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

I think the issues were Thielen taking away a lot of targets as well as going to more of a run-oriented game.  I don't think there will be any question he's the #1 WR with the Bills.

Almost certainly that was the problem. The question is will the Bills be run oriented in 2020?  I think so. Will Diggs get enough targets? He got 94 last year,  our #1 got 115. I hope he gets enough.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:09 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Beane actually said this is what happened. They had tried to trade for him in October but Vikes wouldn’t do it. Then Bills caught wind of Diggs tweets early in FA and thought hey, let’s give it another shot. And then it went down in a matter of hours.

 

Probably made more sense to trade the first in the offseason since - you knew where it was, and you had an idea where the top 3 WRs were going.  If it required a trade up to get say Lamb - you may have given up more than what they gave up in this trade.

[ALF]

Allen will need to give Diggs the most targets , Brown should be ok with that, unless Diggs is double teamed. It's a good problem to deal with.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, ALF said:

Allen will need to give Diggs the most targets , Brown should be ok with that, unless Diggs is double teamed. It's a good problem to deal with.

 

If teams are playing man and bracketing diggs, that means you have beas and brown likely in 1x1 situations, same with knox.  Also if you bracket diggs... there's a likelihood for a lot of space for the RB underneath to make plays.  

 

The other problem with playing straight man coverage - if you don't spy Allen, he can hurt you with his legs.  If you do spy allen, you create a lot of time for players to uncover.  

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Probably made more sense to trade the first in the offseason since - you knew where it was, and you had an idea where the top 3 WRs were going.  If it required a trade up to get say Lamb - you may have given up more than what they gave up in this trade.

 

Lamb went a lot lower than I thought he would.  But even at 17, the Bills would have had to give up their 1st, 3rd and 1st-6th to move there.  That is, assuming Dallas was willing to trade out.

[WhoTom]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:16 PM, Logic said:

Brandon Beane:

 

#BillsMafia

 

 

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Lamb went a lot lower than I thought he would.  But even at 17, the Bills would have had to give up their 1st, 3rd and 1st-6th to move there.  That is, assuming Dallas was willing to trade out.

Minny looked into trading up to get Lamb, but Atlanta (picking right before Dallas) demanded their first and second.  I’d have done that in a heartbeat for Lamb if we hadn’t traded for Diggs, but there’s no good reason he should’ve fallen that far.  He was only still on the board because the Raiders were stupid enough to take Ruggs at 12 over every other WR in the draft.  SMDH

[jimmy10]

On 5/29/2020 at 7:38 PM, MJS said:

People are reading between the lines way too much. Why can't we just take everyone at their word? Diggs is a great receiver, the Vikings were happy to have him. The Bills wanted him and offered a bunch of draft picks. The Vikings liked the offer and the cap relief it provided and said yes.

 

End of story. There's doesn't have to be some deep, dark secret as to why the trade happened.

Maybe, and I think in these football “insiders’” rush to get The Story, a great deal of suppositions and assumptions can be made. But I also think it’s more than a little naive to suggest multi-million dollar decisions aren’t made without some pretty complex circumstances. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Minny looked into trading up to get Lamb, but Atlanta (picking right before Dallas) demanded their first and second.  I’d have done that in a heartbeat for Lamb if we hadn’t traded for Diggs, but there’s no good reason he should’ve fallen that far.  He was only still on the board because the Raiders were stupid enough to take Ruggs at 12 over every other WR in the draft.  SMDH

 

Eh, a 1st and 2nd versus what they gave up for Diggs...I'm taking Diggs.

[BarleyNY]

32 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Eh, a 1st and 2nd versus what they gave up for Diggs...I'm taking Diggs.

 

Diggs for a one and change plus his contract versus Lamb for a one and two on a rookie deal.  It’s debatable depending on a team’s circumstances, but I prefer the Diggs trade.  It isn’t the picks involved, it’s the certainty of getting a top end WR on day 1 that matters to me.  There’s risk and development time with Lamb and I’ll happily take on the additional contract dollars for the immediacy and certainty.  
 

Still, it wasn’t really a choice between the two since the decision on Diggs had to be made long before the draft.

[stinky finger]

On 5/30/2020 at 12:09 PM, FireChans said:

You didn’t hear anything bad about Diggs last season? There’s a reason he was bandied about as a trade possibility in the season. Hopkins was not.

 

Diggs was getting fined and tweeting cryptic stuff early last year. That’s why we inquired in the first place.

 

I had misgivings at and around the age of 26.

 

Can't say I was ever bandied about, though. 

[JimBob2232]

This was still a bit much...havent forgiven him for this.    Love the bills...but i better never see this kind of behavior again from him on the field.

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 5/30/2020 at 12:36 PM, BarleyNY said:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/01/stefon-diggs-vikings-saints-nfc-wild-card-helmet-cousins-tantrum

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/3/20897444/minnesota-vikings-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-kirk-cousins-adam-thielen

 

Here are a couple things that happened with him last season.  For the record, I was still a big supporter of the trade.  Making it was no brainer for the Bills IMO.  Great move.  But my only caveat was that it does carry some risk due to how things went with Diggs and Cousins.  Still, you make that deal.  This stuff was the only reason he was available at all. 

 

I could always be wrong, I could always be disappointed too.  But from what I've seen so far, either Allen or Daboll or McDermott (or all 3) seem to handle player frustrations a lot better.  There was that game where Beasley was frustrated and threw his helmet and Allen was asked about it and kind of made it into a positive thing - said stuff like "he's a competitor, he wants the ball, he wants to win, I'm the same way". 

 

I actually like Kirk Cousins and think more of him than a lot of folks here, but he does seem somewhat aloof and perhaps un-relatable to me.  He got the Redskins to give him his own office, for example.   Even though Allen is young, I think it's possible he may have better people and relationship building skills than Cousins does.  I didn't see Beasley throw his helmet the rest of the year even though there were times when he was screamingly wide open and Allen didn't throw his way.  Judging by stuff he was seen to do (like walk over and hug Allen after the tough Ravens loss) and said on his "17 weeks uninterrupted" podcast, they seem to have built a pretty solid relationship.

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2020 at 6:42 AM, eball said:

 

Save your breath, Yolo.  There is a contingent who, for some reason, look for the possible negative consequences of everything the Bills do, waiting to pounce.  I don’t know how they enjoy being fans but to each his own.

This makes a large degree of sense. I mean, why would someone who has been a Bills fan for 10, 20, or 30 years have the nerve to suspect that the Bills would ever make a dumb move?

 

I mean really, all of their trades have been perfect deals that made this team a winner, except for maybe 1 or 2. Every draft has been great too!

[eball]

49 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

This makes a large degree of sense. I mean, why would someone who has been a Bills fan for 10, 20, or 30 years have the nerve to suspect that the Bills would ever make a dumb move?

 

I mean really, all of their trades have been perfect deals that made this team a winner, except for maybe 1 or 2. Every draft has been great too!

 

Sorry Bill, you've missed the point.  If you want to keep dwelling in the past and fearing the future, be my guest.