Stephon Gilmore seems to think covering new Bills WR Stefon Diggs will be 'light work'

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I remember on BBMB that Gilmore was Bills fans favorite whipping boy.

 

Gilmore was EASILY the most hated Bills during his time period with the Bills.

And that makes no sense to me.  Yeah, a bunch of people love that heartless coward Kyle Orton who sucked and was a kitty cat.  

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And that makes no sense to me.  Yeah, a bunch of people love that heartless coward Kyle Orton who sucked and was a kitty cat.  

 

They do?  That's news to everyone.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And that makes no sense to me.  Yeah, a bunch of people love that heartless coward Kyle Orton who sucked and was a kitty cat.  

I personally did not hate Gilmore as a Bill and knew he was a good player, but I think it's clear he didn't try his hardest. And that's what fans didn't like.

 

As for Orton, I don't get it myself. He had one or two good games and then was terrible like every other Bills QB during the drought.

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, billrooter said:

It is still shocking to me that he was defensive mvp, did the system and other players in NE really coverup all his flaws or has he really gotten that much better? A lot of people on here claim that he was a scapegoat here and he played great, IMO that is a steaming pile of misinformation from a blind person. The guy got beat a lot and was a puss for a guy that when we drafted him was considered big and physical, I have never seen The White a corner with a much smaller frame than him shy away from contact like Gilmore did while he was here. Dopey is a good name, posting pictures of your crush on a Bills board like the ones above you should ashamed as should all the other guys on here calling Brady the GOAT and hugging his nuts on here, should be sacrilegious.

I'm going with Bill Bellichek knew how to use him better than Rex. Yet he made the pro bowl under Rex. Crazy, I know. People want to say it was "the system", maybe he helped make "the system" work. Crazy, I know. 

Brady is the GOAT, what's wrong with you?

Dopey is not a good name, it's a GREAT name.

You forgot to post what type of panties you're wearing.

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

That play was about as bad as CB can get beat.  Funny how so many NE fans said he was supposed to have safety help as an excuse.  He just got beat

In all honesty Gilmore got shook, and then Smoke also beat the safety, so it was a two-

fer.  That said, Gilmore is damn good and he was good with the Bills too.  Diggs route running is next level though.  I look forward to that battle.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I personally did not hate Gilmore as a Bill and knew he was a good player, but I think it's clear he didn't try his hardest. And that's what fans didn't like.

 

As for Orton, I don't get it myself. He had one or two good games and then was terrible like every other Bills QB during the drought.

 

I don't know of anyone who loves Orton after turtling in that game and then quitting at the end of the season.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They do?  That's news to everyone.

Orton got hated on way less than Gilmore without a doubt.  There were some fans who even liked him.  It was weird.  

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I don't know of anyone who loves Orton after turtling in that game and then quitting at the end of the season.

I believe there was a thread where some fans were devastated he wasn’t coming back.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Orton got hated on way less than Gilmore without a doubt.  There were some fans who even liked him.  It was weird.  

I believe there was a thread where some fans were devastated he wasn’t coming back.

There was also a thread about adding Orton to the Bills wall of fame.

[Radar]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Super Bowl champ lacks the mental toughness.?

He won the Super Bowl! In his egotism probably. Why do people think ones mere presence on a Super Bowl team makes a player great. Both these guys were very talented players that I don't miss at all. Gave  up way to much for Watkins. Not his fault. Gilmore good but overrated.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Radar

[Dopey]

26 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Ha but he did get beat twice a year by Chris Hogan!  You didn’t argue that!

I was there in person in Week 2 of the 2016 season.  Yes, Gilmore Did repeatedly get beat by Brandon Marshall and might have gotten beat by Quincy Enunwa too.  I can find the footage if you’d like.  Fitzpatrick carved Gilmore and Darby up repeatedly and that was when I think the “overrated” talk ramped up.
 

I’m not doubting that the system didn’t have an effect on his play - but I’m saying he wasn’t as good in 15 or 16 by any metric.  That’s when fans started to turn on him.  It happened before he signed with NE 

It should have been Rex and Rob that they turned on.

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Orton got hated on way less than Gilmore without a doubt.  There were some fans who even liked him.  It was weird.  

I believe there was a thread where some fans were devastated he wasn’t coming back.

Fans liked Orton because he wasn’t the human disaster EJ Manuel. 

[billrooter]

9 minutes ago, Dopey said:

I'm going with Bill Bellichek knew how to use him better than Rex. Yet he made the pro bowl under Rex. Crazy, I know. People want to say it was "the system", maybe he helped make "the system" work. Crazy, I know. 

Brady is the GOAT, what's wrong with you?

Dopey is not a good name, it's a GREAT name.

You forgot to post what type of panties you're wearing.

Dopey come on panties? First up that would never be said to my face. I have to admit it was a question as I guess I haven't watched the Patriots as much as you have? Dopey were you watching the nfl before everything became flagged in offenses favor? The game today is so much different for NFL quarterbacks, with the basically no contact on the quarterback to not touching the receiver. The game has changed so much and hugging f Tom Brady even gets farted on, here's the flag. The guy is definitely a great Qb as much as it pains me to say it, but Qb's of previous eras were playing a much in a much tougher time to play the position. When was the last time you even seen Brady take a good lick, it happens but far and away way less than pre 2000s? The part I don't understand is a lot of people in this thread and previous threads seem like closet Patriots fans, Dopey do you have a Tom Brady jersey in your closet?

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Orton got hated on way less than Gilmore without a doubt.  There were some fans who even liked him.  It was weird.  

I believe there was a thread where some fans were devastated he wasn’t coming back.

 

The Bills didn't invest anything in Orton, he played on the team for 3/4 of a/the season and he was better than EJ.  But when he turtled in that game and then quit after the season, he was back to being a loser.

 

23 minutes ago, MJS said:

There was also a thread about adding Orton to the Bills wall of fame.

 

I saw that thread.  Never clicked on it because I figured it had to be a joke.

 

 

[Phil The Thrill]

48 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Gilmore always played below expectations in the first half of his seasons with the Bills only to be very good in the second half of those seasons.s

 

Hence the "not living up to expectations" part.

@C.Biscuit97 Is the only one that such such greatness.  He knows all

34 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well it’s the same logic used here all the time with FAs that went else where. “The team sucked with him here”.  As if that means the player sucks. 
 

I don’t think them winning the super bowl makes them great players. Their performance on the field does. More so in Gilmores case. Watkins has had flashes just inconsistent, but you can argue Chiefs don’t win Super bowl without him. 

You can make just as convincing of an argument that the game was won by Patrick Mahomes and not individual receivers.  If Sammy wasn’t on the field I still feel he would have found a way 

[JaCrispy]

Still wondering what any of this has to do with Diggs...??‍♂️

[Chandler#81]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Still wondering what any of this has to do with Diggs...??‍♂️

You’re quite the crusty Crispy. Cabin fever? -or are you always this delightful?

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

You’re quite the crusty Crispy. Cabin fever? -or are you always this delightful?

Not trying to be an ass...it’s an honest question...I read the title and then the OP and couldn’t see where they had anything to do with each other...??‍♂️

[Billl]

10 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:

Both are soft

I’m amazed that the Bills haven’t won 25 straight Super Bowls.  Every player on other teams sucks.  Even their all pros and guys with rings.  Gilmore sucks.  Sammy Watkins sucks.  Dak Prescott sucks.  Hell, I just learned yesterday that Mahomes isn’t a top 10 QB...

[stinky finger]

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The hate here for two very good NFL players Who happened to also be good players for the Bills is freaking hilarious. Jeezus.

 

And posts like this are equally just as hilarious. Differing opinions of players, teams. It's what's done here.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

I'm gonna treat this thread as a test to see how sensitive folks are here. Gilmore liked a tweet that someone else put out there about a player who has yet to play a down for us and some panties are bunched up already. Wondering how many pages this garners. My guess is 15.

Edit: If anyone replies to this like it's personal to them, please include whether you wear t-backs, thongs, etc.

 

This is good. 

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

It should have been Rex and Rob that they turned on.

Oh they did!  Were you not here in 2016?

18 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m amazed that the Bills haven’t won 25 straight Super Bowls.  Every player on other teams sucks.  Even their all pros and guys with rings.  Gilmore sucks.  Sammy Watkins sucks.  Dak Prescott sucks.  Hell, I just learned yesterday that Mahomes isn’t a top 10 QB...

There is an element of this in the fan base for sure.  BUT... there’s also some MAJOR hindsight as well.  
 

So...nether argument is really perfect.  I guess that what makes sports fun

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Well it’s the same logic used here all the time with FAs that went else where. “The team sucked with him here”.  As if that means the player sucks. 
 

I don’t think them winning the super bowl makes them great players. Their performance on the field does. More so in Gilmores case. Watkins has had flashes just inconsistent, but you can argue Chiefs don’t win Super bowl without him. 

How so?  As a receiver you are only as good as the # of times they throw to you & whether you catch or drop the ball.

 

Are you saying, with proof that Watkins is running bad patterns, not getting open or dropping passes?

[Malazan]

I like how the white knights that are trying to get in Gilmore's pants in this thread don't wanna talk about his first season with NE...

Edited April 5, 2020 by jeremy2020

[Magox]

The revisionist history on Sammy Watkins around here is nothing short of delusional.

 

There is this perception of how good he is and then there is the reality of his on the field production.

 

The reality is that over the past 4 years has been an average receiver in this league who has been plagued with inconsistent play and injuries, who once in a long while can muster up a string of 2-3 good games in a row.

 

The perception of him is that he is this “very good NFL” wide receiver.    Grant it, that opinion of him has gradually diminished over the years but what is the basis?  It certainly isn’t his production.  What is the relative scale they are looking at?   The dude absolutely will disappear for several games at a time.   That’s a fact, an undeniable one at that.  Because when someone states that a player is “very good” then to me that implies at the very least top 10 in the league.  There is no reasonable objective metric where you can argue that Watkins is an even top 30 WR in this league over the past 4 years.

 

With that said, no big deal of Gilmore “liking” a tweet from a fan.   Making a mountain out of a molehill but I’m sure Diggs will remember it.

 

Gilmore was always a good to very good DB with the Bills and he took it to the next level with the Patriots.  He deserves all the accolades in the world.

 

The reason why he wasn’t beloved here is because he comes across as aloof.  And when you have a losing organization such as the Bills, fans don’t like players who don’t endear themselves with the fan base.  They want passion.  Not saying that was right or wrong but it is what it is.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Magox

[BillsMafia13]

If Gilmore were a type of bread. What kind of burnt toast would he be?  He’s gonna get lit up this year

[Buffalo716]

I got flamed for years on bbmb for calling Gilmore all pro quality

 

He was a stud while here and just gets away with more in NE

 

Thank God we got Tre

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

what a filthy route....

Digustingly filthy... I feel soooo dirty

 

[Augie]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Considering John Brown "socially distanced" him, Gilmore should STFU

 

 

 

Gilmore is going with his standard line: “That was somebody else’s guy. I’m not pointing fingers, I’m just going to stare at somebody.”

 

 

I’m not buying it. 

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, billrooter said:

Dopey come on panties? First up that would never be said to my face. I have to admit it was a question as I guess I haven't watched the Patriots as much as you have? Dopey were you watching the nfl before everything became flagged in offenses favor? The game today is so much different for NFL quarterbacks, with the basically no contact on the quarterback to not touching the receiver. The game has changed so much and hugging f Tom Brady even gets farted on, here's the flag. The guy is definitely a great Qb as much as it pains me to say it, but Qb's of previous eras were playing a much in a much tougher time to play the position. When was the last time you even seen Brady take a good lick, it happens but far and away way less than pre 2000s? The part I don't understand is a lot of people in this thread and previous threads seem like closet Patriots fans, Dopey do you have a Tom Brady jersey in your closet?

Bills fan all the way. Been a fan since around 1974. I scream at the tv as much as anybody when soft penalties are called when a QB is hit. No closet fan here. I have admitted on TBD more than once that I grew to appreciate their winning ways. Tom won a ton without much offensive talent for most of his 20 year career. Doesn't mean I like him. I'm as glad as anyone here NE seems to be on the outs as a dominating franchise. And yes, I'm a Gilmore fan, but as someone mentioned earlier, getting rid of him and Darby was the right thing to do. Unlike Rex, Mcdermott knew better than to try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Gilmore didn't fit what we do on defense. The only jerseys I own are a Bruce Smith jersey I bought back in his playing days and London Fletcher.  

As for the panties comment, in my 1st post I jokingly asked anyone with their panties in a bunch to at least let us know what kind they were. I even joked about my panties. I think everyone else here got the joke. Not everyone liked it, but got it. So far, only one person seemed offended. Hey, hopefully we can enjoy a great season by the Bills when all of this is over. In the meantime, stay safe and GO BILLS!

I wear boxers, by the way.

[boater]

Everyone calm down.

 

My last memory of Gilmore. https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/1208534364725772290?lang=en

Edited April 5, 2020 by boater

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Maybe when Rex showed up and ruined the defense, but before that what made you think Gilmore didn’t want to be here?

His unwillingness to tackle, mostly. It meant to me that he was unwilling to put his body at risk because he was playing for himself and not the team. That was my interpretation. And he just never seemed that engaged. I know he's a quiet guy, but I've seen him play with a lot more effort in NE than he did in Buffalo. You can tell he's giving it his all out there and I never once got that sense when he was in Buffalo.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

6 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Gilmore's just mad because he's still having to ice those ankles as well as.his taint...

John Brown is just scary fast. Knox and Beasley should have so much room to operate 

[Phil The Thrill]

42 minutes ago, MJS said:

His unwillingness to tackle, mostly. It meant to me that he was unwilling to put his body at risk because he was playing for himself and not the team. That was my interpretation. And he just never seemed that engaged. I know he's a quiet guy, but I've seen him play with a lot more effort in NE than he did in Buffalo. You can tell he's giving it his all out there and I never once got that sense when he was in Buffalo.

you aren’t wrong.  There were a lot of weak efforts and arm tackles that Gilmore missed last year

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

48 minutes ago, MJS said:

His unwillingness to tackle, mostly. It meant to me that he was unwilling to put his body at risk because he was playing for himself and not the team. That was my interpretation. And he just never seemed that engaged. I know he's a quiet guy, but I've seen him play with a lot more effort in NE than he did in Buffalo. You can tell he's giving it his all out there and I never once got that sense when he was in Buffalo.

how about his “look around and try to blame the safety after big completions”

look? That became a staple look. 
 

I do think he has improved in NE, but he remains a real grabby player and just gets away with more in NE than he did here. 

[RyanC883]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Gilmore? He had trouble with John Brown, Diggs is gonna hand him his azs. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

and, who will cover brown and Beasley.   cant wait for this season.  hope we have them week 1

[thenorthremembers]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The hate here for two very good NFL players Who happened to also be good players for the Bills is freaking hilarious. Jeezus.

One very good NFL player.  Watkins is an average NFL player.  If either played up to their potential or acted like they cared about being Bills the hate wouldnt be so heavy.

[billrooter]

2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Bills fan all the way. Been a fan since around 1974. I scream at the tv as much as anybody when soft penalties are called when a QB is hit. No closet fan here. I have admitted on TBD more than once that I grew to appreciate their winning ways. Tom won a ton without much offensive talent for most of his 20 year career. Doesn't mean I like him. I'm as glad as anyone here NE seems to be on the outs as a dominating franchise. And yes, I'm a Gilmore fan, but as someone mentioned earlier, getting rid of him and Darby was the right thing to do. Unlike Rex, Mcdermott knew better than to try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Gilmore didn't fit what we do on defense. The only jerseys I own are a Bruce Smith jersey I bought back in his playing days and London Fletcher.  

As for the panties comment, in my 1st post I jokingly asked anyone with their panties in a bunch to at least let us know what kind they were. I even joked about my panties. I think everyone else here got the joke. Not everyone liked it, but got it. So far, only one person seemed offended. Hey, hopefully we can enjoy a great season by the Bills when all of this is over. In the meantime, stay safe and GO BILLS!

I wear boxers, by the way.

  Well I had you pegged wrong Dopey I figured you were of the younger generation. I wasn't offended hard to tell on here sometimes so I understand, and yes i read the panties comment and understood just had never been accused of wearing any before LOL. You got me beat BTW I believe it was around 79-80 I became a Bills fan....old man.

[dave mcbride]

9 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

This from a guy who was humiliated by our ‘other’ wideout in front of a national audience. Pay him more, Bill!

He was *literally* voted the NFL defensive player of the year for 2019, and this after a great 2018 season and a phenomenal SB vs the Rams (forced fumble and key INT). Just stop, guys.

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

One very good NFL player.  Watkins is an average NFL player.  If either played up to their potential or acted like they cared about being Bills the hate wouldnt be so heavy.

I think more highly of Watkins than most here, but I’ll agree that it’s arguable. His postseason performances the last couple of years have played a big role in shaping my opinion.

Edited April 5, 2020 by dave mcbride

[GunnerBill]

Oh good a hate on Gilmore thread. We haven't had one of these in at least a week. 

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

One very good NFL player.  Watkins is an average NFL player.  If either played up to their potential or acted like they cared about being Bills the hate wouldnt be so heavy.

 

Glimore played plenty well here. The hate he got because he didn't smile more was pathetic and petty at the time and even more so now. 

[Clyde Smith]

9 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Gilmore's just mad because he's still having to ice those ankles as well as.his taint...

Whew! I don't remember that, wow!

[GoBills808]

25 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

Whew! I don't remember that, wow!

Really? It was like the most important play of the last decade when it happened