HardyBoy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Would you be shocked if they actively tried to go 2-14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fiend Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 No they would not tank. Belichick wants to prove he can win without Brady, and tanking would show just the opposite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Nobody really believes that, or cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Fiend said: No they would not tank. Belichick wants to prove he can win without Brady, and tanking would show just the opposite. Or he knows you need a franchise qb and has seen what finishing in the 6 to 7 win pergatory looks like close up in the afc east for 20 years and is the most calculated coach and gm in the league. 24 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Nobody really believes that, or cares Great contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Not a chance. BB has immense amount of pride. No way he tries to go 2 and 14 next season. TB leaves and now he is a bad coach. Kills his legacy. Plus, he does not have time to waste 3 to 4 years of developing a young QB. IIRC he is the oldest coach in the league. Plus, it is such a gamble. Like Tua, what if Trevor gets hurt. Would have been for nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I can’t believe that an organization as respected as the Patriots, led by Bill Belichek and Robert Kraft, would sacrifice the integrity of the game, for any reason whatsoever. 1 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 If BB thinks he can sacrifice one season to get another stud qb and potentially another ring within the next 5 years then yes I can see him doing so...if they don’t draft a qb this year that is. Personally I don’t see BB going anywhere anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 They could but will they?? I really doubt it as Bill wants to prove he can win without Tom. Maybe if they just suck they go for it at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 They still have a top 5 defense in the NFL. Other than Van Noy who else did they lose? Given their cap situation I’m shocked they franchised Joe Thuney, but that’s another sign they aren’t tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) Idc if they do or don’t. There’s only one deflator and he’s in TB. Trevor will never have the career he did. and thankfully Mahomes is out west, but he’s the one that stands in our way of a championship. ***** the pats. ***** Trevor Lawrence Edited April 2, 2020 by GETTOTHE50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: They still have a top 5 defense in the NFL. Other than Van Noy who else did they lose? Given their cap situation I’m shocked they franchised Joe Thuney, but that’s another sign they aren’t tanking. They lost Collins, Harmon and Shelton too. The front 7 should be significantly worse than last year. Their defense should still be okay but doubt that they are top 5. 6 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Idc if they do or don’t. There’s only one deflator and he’s in TB. Trevor will never have the career he did. and thankfully Mahomes is out west, but he’s the one that stands in our way of a championship. ***** the pats. ***** Trevor Lawrence Your bold prediction is that Trevor Lawrence will never be the greatest player of all-time? Way to go out on a limb there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Bill Belichick is old. You think he wants to go through a full rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 fake news....NE tanking not happening. they do have a cap space issue in 2020 ....currently at just $2 mil 2021 estimated at $105 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 No Freakin Way. BB’s ego would never allow it. He’ll do everything he can to win, but unless they get Dalton maybe in a trade and have an incredible draft, he can only coach so well. His Achilles heel (in my humble opinion) is hubris. They'd rather pull off a great trade for their AB next year. I’m watching Beane and McD building a great team that is built for the future, and after the draft, like many fans in many cities, we’ll be even more excited in May. God knows we have to have something to look forward to doing as FL is now in complete lockdown, and everything in my industry is in a hiring freeze. A pleasant distraction is helpful to many of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Would you be shocked if they actively tried to go 2-14? Deeply. There are many reasons, but Belichick's too old, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 This should have been an open poll so we can see who voted YES, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Bellyache wants to prove he can win w/o Brady. Tanking won't do that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: Bill Belichick is old. You think he wants to go through a full rebuild? That was my thinking, guy doesn’t have that many years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Depends on your definition of tanking. I don't believe that players lose on purpose, for any reason. Especially so they can be replaced by a younger player/draft pick. Even if a player isn't motivated by personal integrity (and some definitely are), they are most certainly motivated by things like money, stats and pride. All of those are affected when you purposely tank on the field. For coaches, it probably depends on the situation and how much job security they feel. Again, I don't think many coaches are willing to lose on purpose. But they may replace a veteran and play someone younger and inexperienced... realizing future seasons are more important than winning that week's game. If you really think about it, it's no different than benching starters in Week 17 to have a better chance in the playoffs. General Managers on the other hand, are always making moves with the future in mind. They may trade valuable/star players for future picks, or purge the roster of bloated contracts (exactly what Buffalo did when Brandon Beane came on board). But the GM cannot control what actually happens on the field. Which is why we ultimately went 9-7 in our "tank" season, made the playoffs, and required two additional trade-ups to get into the Top 10 and land Josh Allen. With all that said, the signs DO point that New England's front office is NOT trying to field the most competitive team in 2020 (and Bill Belichick is both coach and GM). They have made virtually no moves in free agency, lost several key pieces, and most importantly have not replaced Tom Brady at QB (at least not yet). Things could change and they could sign Cam Newton, Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston. But if they go into the season with Jarrett Stidham, it's clear they are definitely counting 2020 as a lost season. If they are targeting Trevor Lawrence, they will probably need to start trading players away though. I think the defense is too good for them to reach the #1 pick. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) The Pat's are going to suck so bad everyone will say they are tanking even though the are not. Don't underestimate Belicheat he would definitely do it to rebuild a dynasty in a second. Edited April 2, 2020 by ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Last month BB stood out in the rain to watch an on-campus workout at a small school in Tenn...his dad was a coach, he is coach, thats who he is and I dont think he cares much about other things other than listening to Bon Jovi while he works...looking forward to making him more miserable until he retires at age 89.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) If they tank, it will destroy Belicheat's legacy. He doesn't want that and will do all he can to try and at least get them to the playoffs this year. It won't happen, he'll probably stick around for another year and then call it quits. And winning a SB with a first-overall generational QB doesn't help his legacy either. Edited April 2, 2020 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 if they trade gilmore and edelman maybe. they are still just a little too good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: if they trade gilmore and edelman maybe. they are still just a little too good Unless they do something drastic at QB, they're going to suck on offense. And teams were beginning to figure out the defense towards the latter part of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 7 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Would you be shocked if they actively tried to go 2-14? I kinda think that’s what they’re doing. I think that BB wants a ring without Brady to further prove his greatness. A stud QB would go a long way toward that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 No because I don’t think Belichick would see him as a player worthy of tanking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Unless they do something drastic at QB, they're going to suck on offense. And teams were beginning to figure out the defense towards the latter part of last season. bb is smart enough that he can run a ball control offense just running it and a little bit of throwing. esp if they get an athletic qb in the draft and use scrambling or something. not saying they will be more than a 5-6-7 win team but probably wont be the worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The Pats are going to be in the running for the AFC East title. It’s so funny. They went 12-4 last year. A lot of posters said Brady was washed up and garbage now. Now that he is gone, they are going to completely fall apart apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Pats are going to be in the running for the AFC East title. It’s so funny. They went 12-4 last year. A lot of posters said Brady was washed up and garbage now. Now that he is gone, they are going to completely fall apart apparently. LOL. No one said that. He's appeared to be in decline and maybe that was his receivers (which wasn't a problem in the past) but no one said he's garbage. He still threw for 4,000 yards and had a 3:1 TD:INT ratio. Good luck finding someone to replace that and his almost 2 decades of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The only Lawrence BB would tank for is Lawrence Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 why would you have to tank to take a GOAT QB in the 6th round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: why would you have to tank to take a GOAT QB in the 6th round? Which QB in the upcoming draft is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I can't see it at this stage of the season in any possible way. That said, if they caught some really bad breaks and the team had a terrible record later in the season it would probably be a smart move. Even at that I can't see BB tanking. Consider this post just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I feel like Lawrence is one of these guys that people think will go 1st overall but won't I dont think he will be the 1st QB drafted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 8 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Would you be shocked if they actively tried to go 2-14? Guess I'm in the minority here, but I would not say they are 'actively' trying to lose games... Like Miami last year, I think New England is not going to be mad if/when they lose. Remember these are the same people that cheat or try to find an edge anywhere they can. So if they can go with a rookie QB (2nd year technically) for this season and hope for the best... and only win 4-5 games... 'Well schucks, geez, we tried to win with the rookie, but it didn't pan out... Darn! we got the #1 pick...' Lose one year to get a franchise QB... yeah, I can see them doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Which QB in the upcoming draft is that? whichever one BB picks. Edited April 2, 2020 by JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS that was just wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The ego between the three headed dragons in NE are too proud to do something like that. Tom wanted to show he didn’t need Old Billy to be a winner. Bill wants to prove (again) that he’s the mastermind in NE and doesn’t need Brady to win. Kraft wants to find some comfort in both being able to win and seeing Tom at massage parlors in FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I feel like Lawrence is one of these guys that people think will go 1st overall but won't I dont think he will be the 1st QB drafted. Who do you think will go 1st? 13 minutes ago, hjnick said: Guess I'm in the minority here, but I would not say they are 'actively' trying to lose games... Like Miami last year, I think New England is not going to be mad if/when they lose. Remember these are the same people that cheat or try to find an edge anywhere they can. So if they can go with a rookie QB (2nd year technically) for this season and hope for the best... and only win 4-5 games... 'Well schucks, geez, we tried to win with the rookie, but it didn't pan out... Darn! we got the #1 pick...' Lose one year to get a franchise QB... yeah, I can see them doing that. There will surely be other teams who are worse than them, whether trying to tank or not. My bet would be Jaguars, Redskins, Bears, Lions and Panthers will have worse records. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Who do you think will go 1st? There will surely be other teams who are worse than them, whether trying to tank or not. My bet would be Jaguars, Redskins, Bears, Lions and Panthers will have worse records. I totally agree it will not be easy getting that first pick. Jags and Panthers are going to be bad this year... Now, if the Redskins and Lions were smart, they are bypassing QB's in THIS draft that could change their franchise. Tua and Herbert (franchise QB?) will be there. I think they are silly for passing on a QB. Not sure on the bears right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) I know they lost a few players on defense - but it was one of if not the best defenses in the NFL last year. Brady and the offense weren't really a well-oiled machine, and a lot of that had to do with injuries on the offensive line. Well assuming Wynn and Andrews can stay fully healthy, they actually have a top unit there. They have good running backs. Assuming Harry develops some, they have some talent outside on offense. And they still have 4 of the first 100 picks in the draft. Plenty of chances to grab another QB to compete with the group they have, add some secondary depth, probably a LB. Honestly, with 7 teams making it? I think they are in. Especially if they do well with the draft (12 picks means they probably move around a bit to get players that they want). Edited April 2, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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