Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, elijah said: The hopes on Sweeney are too high here. He was a 7th rounder that flashed a little bit, he’s not someone to count on becoming a legitimate option. So Sweeney flashed a bit more than "a little". In the "show us what you got" game vs the Jets, he was 5 of 5 for 76 yds (he wasn't playing the Jets backup defense). The knock on him coming out was that he was productive in college, but too slow to separate in the NFL and needed to bulk-up and work on technique - more leg bend - to be a blocker (I'm not sure I understand this given his listed weight and height but there it is) Beane has said it was an argument and a close call as to whether Sweeney should be active, every week. The counter point to that is maybe it says less positive about Sweeney, than it does negative about Kroft. In the same Jets game where Sweeney was 5 of 5 for 76 yds, Kroft was 1 of 4 for 5 yds (and he played almost 50% of the snaps). The thing about Sweeney is he isn't playing ST - at all. Kroft does. If Sweeney wants to stick on a roster, he's got to either become a legit starting threat, or figure out how to play teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Related... as to why if they can sign Olsen he would replace Kroft and not Smith. If they are going to move on from Smith, it will be very soon for roster bonus payment timing. Edited February 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Olsen wouldn't replace Smith, he would replace Kroft. I think Smith will be on the team next year. He plays an important rule in our run game. by holding and false starts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If Croom sticks around and it isn't immediately evident that he's better than someone they cut, We Have A Problem. I can't go as far as "fantastic" but I wouldn't hate it He's not "fat Kelvin" but he is old, and has struggled with injuries. Olsen had 52 catches for 597 yards last season 11.5 YPC. For reference, Smokey had 14.7 YPC. Huge for offense, Josh, and Knox Olsen helps offset losing Lorax and Gore in locker room. Olsen fills a need pre FA, and will financially shrewd, Beanes MO is value signings I'm hoping Olsen doesn't leave town, we sign him before anyone else does. Olsen would be fantastic signing IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 We've seen the Pats do this with great success for many years - find an over-the-hill vet with tremendous knowledge and experience in the game. This type of player usually comes on the cheap, can mentally execute anything you ask him to do, and can teach young players important things. Good idea if you ask me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, CheshireCT said: We've seen the Pats do this with great success for many years - find an over-the-hill vet with tremendous knowledge and experience in the game. This type of player usually comes on the cheap, can mentally execute anything you ask him to do, and can teach young players important things. Good idea if you ask me. Whatever he could do to convince Josh to not try and lateral the ball haphazardly in a playoff game, I'm all for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: This would be all about helping to develop Knox (and Sweeney to a lesser extent). I wonder if they’d keep Smith for blocking; I think Kroft is a goner either way. Curious if they’ll IR Croom again for obvious reasons... Lol. Employment for life, as long as she's satisfied. I think Smith is gone if we sign Olsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If Croom sticks around and it isn't immediately evident that he's better than someone they cut, We Have A Problem. I mostly kid, just interesting he survived when the team signed two veterans in FA and drafted two more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Lol. Employment for life, as long as she's satisfied. I think Smith is gone if we sign Olsen. As others have said, Kroft would be the player and contract replaced by Olsen. Olsen is going to command even more than Kroft, but a lot more than Smith. Also Smith and Olsen don’t have the same skill set at TE. Olsens skill set is closer to Kroft. If Beane and the trainers think he is good to go, I like the move. I think Olsen would fit right in with the culture the Bills have and would provide another vet leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Lol. Employment for life, as long as she's satisfied. I think Smith is gone if we sign Olsen. Smith and Olsen may technically play the same position but they don’t play the same role in the offense. If Smith is cut, it won’t have anything to do with Olsen other than whether they think they replaced the “vet leader” in the TE room. Edited February 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: As others have said, Kroft would be the player and contract replaced by Olsen. Olsen is going to command even more than Kroft, but a lot more than Smith. Also Smith and Olsen don’t have the same skill set at TE. Olsens skill set is closer to Kroft. If Beane and the trainers think he is good to go, I like the move. I think Olsen would fit right in with the culture the Bills have and would provide another vet leader. Non-starter right there. He isnt worth it. Maybe 5, even 3 years ago. But not now. He'd have to be willing to take Smith money ($3M/year) if I were GM. I hope Beane doesnt make yet another salary mistake with a "Carolina Process Guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, stony said: I mostly kid, just interesting he survived when the team signed two veterans in FA and drafted two more. Well, they did IR him. They can't cut him - they could have negotiated an injury settlement and release. One would have to know the details of the injury and what the typical injury settlement for that would be, to know more. It was listed as a "hamstring" which can cover a wide range of severities and recovery times depending upon grade and location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: How bad are these reporters. Just noticed a Buf news article talking about Olsen. They said he was a first round pick for the Panthers Lol. Bad reporters and even worse editors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Whatever he could do to convince Josh to not try and lateral the ball haphazardly in a playoff game, I'm all for. Josh typically doesn't seem to make the same mistake twice. That's not entirely comforting because he does seem to be a bit of a "don't eat the Daisies" guy where he seems to try different things his coaches don't warn him against - because they're so far outside the realm of normal football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: As others have said, Kroft would be the player and contract replaced by Olsen. Olsen is going to command even more than Kroft, but a lot more than Smith. Also Smith and Olsen don’t have the same skill set at TE. Olsens skill set is closer to Kroft. If Beane and the trainers think he is good to go, I like the move. I think Olsen would fit right in with the culture the Bills have and would provide another vet leader. according to Spotrac, he’d be a cheaper option than Kroft currently. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/greg-olsen-1302/market-value/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Smith and Olsen may technically play the same position but they don’t play the same role in the offense. If Smith is cut, it won’t have anything to do with Olsen other than whether they think they replaced the “vet leader” in the TE room. Am I crazy to think that both Smith and Croft are gone and replaced by Olsen "vet leader" and another FA TE? That coupled with Knox and Sweeney gives the Bills a nice full stable in the modern NFL of multiple TE looks. Or is my dislike for "I'm a good blocker on one play, and the next play I brain fart a false start, or they actually call the holds I've been committing the whole game the next play."-Lee Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Steptide said: If I was him on the backside of my career, I'd personally choose buffalo. A playoff team on the rise vs a redskins team that could be 2 years away from competing If he has the option between one of these two teams, they are an absolute dichotomy of managing player injuries. I can’t imagine any player who is dealing with an injury or is at the end of his career wanting to go to Washington, even with the love and respect he may have for Rivera. After I read the story about Trent Williams I was in disbelief. Edited February 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Am I crazy to think that both Smith and Croft are gone and replaced by Olsen "vet leader" and another FA TE? That coupled with Knox and Sweeney gives the Bills a nice full stable in the modern NFL of multiple TE looks. Or is my dislike for "I'm a good blocker on one play, and the next play I brain fart a false start, or they actually call the holds I've been committing the whole game the next play."-Lee Smith Crazy? Ill show ya crazy.....jk. No, I see this as a very realistic possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "don't eat the Daisies" Had to look this up........very current. Perhaps @Augie was at the premiere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I could even see Croom sneaking in as the 3rd TE is he doesnt break down again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Wouldn't hate it. I imagine it would be a one year deal and probably in a reserve role. Think this would help Knox and Sweeny as well as Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Am I crazy to think that both Smith and Croft are gone and replaced by Olsen "vet leader" and another FA TE? That coupled with Knox and Sweeney gives the Bills a nice full stable in the modern NFL of multiple TE looks. Or is my dislike for "I'm a good blocker on one play, and the next play I brain fart a false start, or they actually call the holds I've been committing the whole game the next play."-Lee Smith I think that for Daboll, it's important to have guys who are closer to dual-threats than Smith is (despite being lined up outside and sent deep on occasion). When he has to change personnel to execute certain plays, I think it too readily becomes a "tell" for the defense and we haven't been as good as we could be about self-scouting this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Question still remains. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Had to look this up........very current. Perhaps @Augie was at the premiere? I had no idea on the date or the film - I've seen the book it's based on. My MIL had it. "Don't Eat the Daisies" was a common way to express a parent having to explicitly tell their kiddos not to do stuff the parent would never have thought about kids doing in some parenting blogs/online groups when my kiddo was of that age (about 15 years ago). That's really where I think Daboll must be sometimes with Allen. I picture Monday discussions with Mcdermott: "didn't you tell him never to hurdle a linebacker?" "IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME HE WOULD TRY!" "didn't you tell him not to throw a lateral there?" "IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME HE WOULD TRY!" It's probably a good thing for Allen that Daboll is the parent of teenage/young 20s boys. At least he has some prior exposure to that state of mind IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME HE WOULD TRY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 What a lame idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 @AdamSchefter: Add Seattle to the list of teams interested in former Panthers’ TE Greg Olsen, per source. Olsen will be taking a visit to Seattle. I no longer like our chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Had to look this up........very current. Perhaps @Augie was at the premiere? Not nice..... I actually though I might have been, but apparently it was re-runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: 52-597-11.5-2TDs How on earth you arrived at this take we will never understand. Not saying I agree but... Gore more yards than Olsen...156 carries for 722 yards and 4.6 ypc in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanC883 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 well, I like that the Bills notice the need for another good TE. You look at the Ravens and Eagles, both have good, 2 young TE's. The 49ers have 2 good TE's when the FB is lined up as a TE or WR. I would love two good TE's. The pressure on the D it can create is valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is one of those “leaders in every position room” things that they’re all about. They keep signing guys who are washed (Gore, Tolbert). It’s time to stockpile TALENT. If Olson can still play, great, but he looked worse this past year. You gotta wonder with McD and his personality whether he's open to elite talent players who might challenge him. Going back to the future and grabbing guys from Carolina is nice when you've started the rebuild process and there's a player's council. Now that they're into the 4th off-season of rebuilding, I'd agree they need guys who can play, not quasi-player coach types. More importantly, they need more talent on offense and I'm not keen on someone who'll come in on a 1 year deal at this point who could take snaps away from developing types like Knox and Sweeney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, FluffHead said: @AdamSchefter: Add Seattle to the list of teams interested in former Panthers’ TE Greg Olsen, per source. Olsen will be taking a visit to Seattle. I no longer like our chances. Did you want to like our chances? I don't have a problem bringing him in, but I was overall "Meh" about counting on a 35 year old 13-yr vet as a serious season-long contributor. 7 minutes ago, BillsVet said: You gotta wonder with McD and his personality whether he's open to elite talent players who might challenge him. ??? I am not sure what that means. Do you feel Tre White, Tre Edmunds, and Ed Oliver aren't elite talent players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did you want to like our chances? I don't have a problem bringing him in, but I was overall "Meh" about counting on a 35 year old 13-yr vet as a serious season-long contributor. I think his value goes beyond just his own performance. I would love Knox being around Olsen instead of Kroft for a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am not sure what that means. Do you feel Tre White, Tre Edmunds, and Ed Oliver aren't elite talent players? Let's look at players who are coming up on contract extensions. White will be the first and is set to make big dollars. If there's any kind of issue in those negotiations I'm very interested to see how McD handles it, because he leads this organization. We don't know right now. And BTW, Edmunds and Oliver are too young and/or not accomplished enough to be considered "elite" at their positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, nucci said: by holding and false starts? Yes, he was a very frustrating player. Still, I would keep Smith over Kroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ngbills said: Not saying I agree but... Gore more yards than Olsen...156 carries for 722 yards and 4.6 ypc in 2018. Compare to his peers. Olsen #11 TE Gore #25 RB in 2018 Edited February 4, 2020 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsVet said: You gotta wonder with McD and his personality whether he's open to elite talent players who might challenge him. Going back to the future and grabbing guys from Carolina is nice when you've started the rebuild process and there's a player's council. Now that they're into the 4th off-season of rebuilding, I'd agree they need guys who can play, not quasi-player coach types. More importantly, they need more talent on offense and I'm not keen on someone who'll come in on a 1 year deal at this point who could take snaps away from developing types like Knox and Sweeney. You don't have to wonder. If McDermott really felt like this, we wouldn't have drafted Oliver. A guy who already challenged his college head coach and has big personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You don't have to wonder. If McDermott really felt like this, we wouldn't have drafted Oliver. A guy who already challenged his college head coach and has big personality. i really wonder where ideas like that are born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Depending on the cost I would love Olson 2 TE' sets are the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, teef said: i really wonder where ideas like that are born. It's born from an agenda. This guy once said that maybe the reason the Bills aren't getting as much negative coverage from the local writers is because Pegula might have threatened them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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