Jump to content

Deebo Samuel/Laviska Shenault


RyanC883

Recommended Posts

Watching the SB yesterday, and seeing all the ways Samuel helped the 49ers offense led me to thinking that the Bills, who like to use a WR in a similar fashion, are likely really high on Shenault.  

 

That said, I'm not a college football guru, but Shenault is several inches taller than Samuel, albeit perhaps a bit less muscular.  

 

Thought?   Should the Bills target Shenault.  Can he be a number 1 WR and a jacknife like Samuel?  

 

Here are the players pre-draft profiles: 

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/deebo-samuel

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/laviska-shenault-jr/NLQE1jFVo5

  • Like (+1) 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 

Edited by DJB
  • Like (+1) 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I still don't trust Shenault. I see Cordarrelle Patterson 2.0 tbh. I would hope we spend our first on something more than a gadget player. To me they are mirror images of one another, but Patterson had better wheels coming out of college. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, DJB said:

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 

 

I dunno...Shenault 40 time is supposed to be a 4.55 and Samuel a 4.48...am I really to believe that .07 seconds is going to make that big of a deal? I don't buy it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, DJB said:

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 

 

there is a scout that said shenault will run around 4.4. 

  • Like (+1) 1
  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I dunno...Shenault 40 time is supposed to be a 4.55 and Samuel a 4.48...am I really to believe that .07 seconds is going to make that big of a deal? I don't buy it.

 

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

there is a scout that said shenault will run around 4.4. 

 

I'll be surprised if he runs that fast

Edited by DJB
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Watching the SB yesterday, and seeing all the ways Samuel helped the 49ers offense led me to thinking that the Bills, who like to use a WR in a similar fashion, are likely really high on Shenault.  

 

That said, I'm not a college football guru, but Shenault is several inches taller than Samuel, albeit perhaps a bit less muscular.  

 

Thought?   Should the Bills target Shenault.  Can he be a number 1 WR and a jacknife like Samuel?  

 

Here are the players pre-draft profiles: 

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/deebo-samuel

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/laviska-shenault-jr/NLQE1jFVo5

 

 

The answer to your question.

 

Yes!

 

He is one of the best YAC prospect in the draft and not utilizing him with all these creative sort of designs would be negligent. The possibilities with him are salivating and as long as he could develop into a decent route runner my thoughts are that he could be a star in the league.  He just has to continue to develop.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I dunno...Shenault 40 time is supposed to be a 4.55 and Samuel a 4.48...am I really to believe that .07 seconds is going to make that big of a deal? I don't buy it.

4.55 to 4.48 is a half-step, that's a pretty good difference in coverage.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I dunno...Shenault 40 time is supposed to be a 4.55 and Samuel a 4.48...am I really to believe that .07 seconds is going to make that big of a deal? I don't buy it.

What matters more to me is that Samuel shredded Clemson for 10 receptions, 210 yards, and 3 TDs. The kid played against top talent and could beat every type of coverage in the SEC. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, H2o said:

I still don't trust Shenault. I see Cordarrelle Patterson 2.0 tbh. I would hope we spend our first on something more than a gadget player. To me they are mirror images of one another, but Patterson had better wheels coming out of college. 

S henalut is not a gadget player....he is a playmaker....you might be concerned that is how the bills would use him but I do not..I think they would be making every effort to get the ball into his hands

 

I love the player obviously

  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, DJB said:

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 

“Shenault is much more physical”. I would say that shenault is bigger.  I wouldn’t say that he’s “much more” physical.  I also wouldn’t say he is “a lot” slower.  Exaggeration imo.

 
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

Watching the SB yesterday, and seeing all the ways Samuel helped the 49ers offense led me to thinking that the Bills, who like to use a WR in a similar fashion, are likely really high on Shenault.  

 

That said, I'm not a college football guru, but Shenault is several inches taller than Samuel, albeit perhaps a bit less muscular.  

 

Thought?   Should the Bills target Shenault.  Can he be a number 1 WR and a jacknife like Samuel?  

 

Here are the players pre-draft profiles: 

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/deebo-samuel

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/laviska-shenault-jr/NLQE1jFVo5

 

Personally...the more and more I look at all the options, the more I think we may actually draft an EDGE player in the first and take someone like Pittman in the 2nd, maybe even make a small move to get him (or the one they covet) like they did with Ford last year.  There should be one or two really good edge guys when we pick, and this draft is sooooo deep with WR talent.  I mean Pittman would likely be a sure fire first rounder in many other drafts (and still could be this year too of course, although I think he will go in the 2nd).  And if not Pittman, there are still a lot of premium WR prospects that will go in the 2nd.  

 

 

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“Shenault is much more physical”. I would say that shenault is bigger.  I wouldn’t say that he’s “much more” physical.  I also wouldn’t say he is “a lot” slower.  Exaggeration imo.

 
 

 

To each their own. 

 

I've let it be known many times I'm am not a fan of Shenault whatsoever. I have at least 6 guys I like more than him off the top of my head. 

 

Jeudy

Lamb

Jefferson 

Higgins

Ruggs

Aiyuk

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Personally...the more and more I look at all the options, the more I think we may actually draft an EDGE player in the first and take someone like Pittman in the 2nd, maybe even make a small move to get him (or the one they covet) like they did with Ford last year.  There should be one or two really good edge guys when we pick, and this draft is sooooo deep with WR talent.  I mean Pittman would likely be a sure fire first rounder in many other drafts (and still could be this year too of course, although I think he will go in the 2nd).  And if not Pittman, there are still a lot of premium WR prospects that will go in the 2nd.  

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that. The sample size is small but Beane does have a history, albeit a short one, of trading up (Ford, Edmunds) to get his second pick.

  • Like (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, DJB said:

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 


I would be surprised is he is slower. We will find out in a couple of weeks. I actually think he is going to be faster. 

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

To each their own. 

 

I've let it be known many times I'm am not a fan of Shenault whatsoever. I have at least 6 guys I like more than him off the top of my head. 

 

Jeudy

Lamb

Jefferson 

Higgins

Ruggs

Aiyuk

 


It depends on your OC. A good OC could make him one of the top weapons in the NFL. I would prefer a good route runner though. The Bills are capable of developing athletes so I won’t be worried if we draft him.

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

S henalut is not a gadget player....he is a playmaker....you might be concerned that is how the bills would use him but I do not..I think they would be making every effort to get the ball into his hands

 

I love the player obviously

Go watch highlights of Patterson at Tennessee and then watch Shenault highlights. Same player, but Patterson is faster imo and excels in the return game. Just my 2. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Bills need 2 wide receivers in the draft. Get a DE, TE, LG, and ORT in FA, then draft 2 WRs, 1 RB, LB, and a CB in the draft. If you have extra picks after trading around, get some more DL help. I would like to see the OL filled with quality veterans, and some young top WR from the draft. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, DJB said:

They aren't the same player though. 

 

Shenault is much more physicall but hes a lot slower.  

 

I think Josh and the Bills will be targeting someone with a huge catch radius or someone with good size to go along with great speed. 

 

Higgins and Jefferson fit the mold of big guys round 1. 

 

I just dont think Bills will go WR in round 1 even though I and most of us want to see it. I suspect we go DE or OT round 1. 

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks suspect that about 20 WR could go in the first 2 rounds.  The depth is there for us to likely go WR round 2 and I suspect we trade up in round 2 to do so. 

 

 

https://art19.com/shows/move-the-sticks/episodes/b0e0cc1b-8683-46aa-8068-193460110ac6

 

Have a listen. Cant recall exactly where in the podcast it was said however 

 

...don't get to see college ball, but is it conceivable that Beane trades down to 27 or 28 to grab an extra 2nd and then go WR in round 2?............

Link to comment
Share on other sites

40 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that. The sample size is small but Beane does have a history, albeit a short one, of trading up (Ford, Edmunds) to get his second pick.

I know it isn't all Beane, but Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Jones, and Dawkins were all trade ups (and mostly offense!)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We shouldn't try to project one play who will = another player in our scheme, in our offense, with our QB.

 

I don't care of the guy is a Micheal Thomas, Julio, Megatron, Tyreek Hill (no beating up kids), etc. I want someone who has the skills to get separation, generate YAC, has a good catch radius, soft hands (catches with his hands), able to adjust for a ball, win 50/50 matchups and has good overall speed, acceleration and agility. We need to take the best WR  on our board that we have a shot at getting

Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It’s fine we can disagree on this if he ends up running a 4.4 he prob doesn’t even make it to us

That we can my friend :thumbsup: 

 

I think the only way he runs that fast is if he sheds about 10-12lbs before the combine, which players have been known to do. It's not out of the realm of  possibility for him to run a 4.4, but I don't see it when I watch the highlights at 220lbs (if that was his playing weight). 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

We shouldn't try to project one play who will = another player in our scheme, in our offense, with our QB.

 

I don't care of the guy is a Micheal Thomas, Julio, Megatron, Tyreek Hill (no beating up kids), etc. I want someone who has the skills to get separation, generate YAC, has a good catch radius, soft hands (catches with his hands), able to adjust for a ball, win 50/50 matchups and has good overall speed, acceleration and agility. We need to take the best WR  on our board that we have a shot at getting

He has to be 6-2 or taller

He has to have a huge catch radius

He needs to be near 4.5

He has to have reliable hands

.....everything else is gravy....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Watkins is almost like a hybrid receiver/running back with the ball in his hands, given his strength, ability to break tackles, and field vision. He can do the same on kickoff returns as well.

 

From: https://www.si.com/2014/04/15/sammy-watkins-clemson-nfl-draft

 

a d think we all agree Sammy didn't redefine the position, he's a good depth guy but not a number 1 WR.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, billspro said:


I would be surprised is he is slower. We will find out in a couple of weeks. I actually think he is going to be faster. 


It depends on your OC. A good OC could make him one of the top weapons in the NFL. I would prefer a good route runner though. The Bills are capable of developing athletes so I won’t be worried if we draft him.

 

Yeah I can't wait for the combine

 Helps to answer a lot of questions.

 

I do like that he can play in multiple spots, but his overall game play to me is lacklustre. 

 

He fights for extra yards but big deal to me. I'd rather a guy like Aiyuk who creates separation at the beginning and top of his routes and actually runs away from guys.

 

I dont see the same with Shenault 

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...don't get to see college ball, but is it conceivable that Beane trades down to 27 or 28 to grab an extra 2nd and then go WR in round 2?............

 

Maybe. But I think we go BPA round 1 and more likely to move up in round 2 for the WR we cover with the extra picks we own. 

 

But I'm probably wrong lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

there is a scout that said shenault will run around 4.4. 

 

I'm all aboard the Shenault train although I'd be happy with a few different WRs in the 1st.

 

There's a big difference between a 40 time and game speed, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Laviska is plenty fast enough.  The tape shows it.

 

And I've compared him to Deebo in the past.  I believe Shenault is more dynamic.

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Go watch highlights of Patterson at Tennessee and then watch Shenault highlights. Same player, but Patterson is faster imo and excels in the return game. Just my 2. 

 

Patterson wasn't close to being a natural hands catcher.  Laviska is.  Shenault is nowhere near as raw as Patterson.

Edited by Chicken Boo
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’m not fully sold on Shenault based on what I’ve seen so far.  It looks like a high percentage of his catches are within a 5 yards of LOS. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he can’t get open/make plays further downfield, but for a 1st round pick, I’d want to see more direct evidence that he can.

 

I look back to DJ Metcalf last year - he appeared to outplay his draft position and dispel the supposed negatives that pushed him well into round 2.  Yet, he made many more downfield plays in college than I’ve seen so far from Shenault.

 

I am open to change my opinion with more information, but at this point I would not touch Shenault in round 1.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...