warrior9 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Not seeing this as a likely target by Beane, RT is the question mark on the O line, Beane is “usually” unwilling to pay stupid money at “almost” every position, so this one is likely not a consideration. Go Bills!!! I think this is yet to be seen, right? I think we'll know more when it's time to pay JA, Edumunds, Tre, Milano, Shaq, Phillips, etc. It'll be interesting for sure. 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Spain for 2-3 years nothing more. Yeah I tend to agree. I think he had a pretty good year, I'd love to see if he can continue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Why would you trade for an UFA? Take it easy on ALLEN1QB. When Buffalo signs Thunney, let him go on thinking Beane fleeced Bellicick in a trade. Thunney for ann undisclosed future UDFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Never Pay a PATS OLmen unless Scarneccia is coming with them. And with his retirement he wont be 5 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: How are the jets just handing out yearly monster deals? Because the Cap doesnt matter as much as people think. And an Owner flush with Cash can always skirt the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Never Pay a PATS OLmen unless Scarneccia is coming with them. And with his retirement he wont be Because the Cap doesnt matter as much as people think. And an Owner flush with Cash can always skirt the cap Tell that to the Falcons. That there’s a cap nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 hours ago, H2o said: I'd much rather go after Conklin, let Spain walk, and move Ford to LG. Then we'd have: Dawkins-Ford-Morse-Feliciano-Conklin That would be a quality OL. This....pay tackles big $, not guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Tell that to the Falcons. That there’s a cap nightmare. And can easily be managed with three moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, warrior9 said: So you sign Spain for 6-7 a year or this guy for 10-12? I think Thuney next to Dawson and Morse would be unbelievable. I'm sure there are internal debates going on about this. If we can get Spain at 5-6/ yr over 3 years, I think you'd have to do that. I’m pretty sure Thuney and Scherff are going to sign in the neighborhood of $13MM-$14MM. I doubt Beane wants to pay that for a G, but I could be wrong. Still, we should start looking at some of the guys in Spain’s tier or slightly above. Graham Glasgow (det) comes to mind. No clue if he fits what Daboll wants, but he’ll probably be in that $6MM-$8MM range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I think this is yet to be seen, right? I think we'll know more when it's time to pay JA, Edumunds, Tre, Milano, Shaq, Phillips, etc. It'll be interesting for sure. Yeah I tend to agree. I think he had a pretty good year, I'd love to see if he can continue that. Not meaning our guys per say, but rather outsider FA signings, hence, “usually and almost” still don’t think the pats FA is a realistic consideration, I see Spain being resigned for far less, but no one can say absolutely at this point. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 hours ago, Mr Info said: Thuney will be a FA. #2 ranked guard this year. Projected 5 yrs $75M with $33.9M guaranteed....that’s a lot of $ for an IOL. The NFL is changing. Building from the middle out is becoming more and more popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And can easily be managed with three moves. Not really. They'd be cutting key starters and creating minimal cap space by doing so. They’d basically be able to sign draft picks and maybe a medial FA or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 5 years / 75Mil .... 15 Mil a year for a guard? That seems pretty expensive no? If you are going to pay that for a position.... Get a RT. Then draft a G and/or move Ford into Guard. There are going to be some positions on your team that you just cannot pay a lot of money for when their is a salary cap. Try to keep filling those positions with cheap players or draft picks until they get expensive. I'd rather have a 15Mil WR than a 15Mil Guard, IMO. IMO, Beane is applying Moneyball to this team. Find diamonds in the rough that people do not appreciate and pay them a modest salary to save money for other positions of need. Edited January 29, 2020 by hjnick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I'd love to see this happen. Add Conklin who is now an average OT and let Ford compete with Spain for the other G spot. I guess it sepends how much Spain's market value is, but his teammates really seem to want him to come back -- especially Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 14 hours ago, hjnick said: 5 years / 75Mil .... 15 Mil a year for a guard? That seems pretty expensive no? If you are going to pay that for a position.... Get a RT. Then draft a G and/or move Ford into Guard. There are going to be some positions on your team that you just cannot pay a lot of money for when their is a salary cap. Try to keep filling those positions with cheap players or draft picks until they get expensive. I'd rather have a 15Mil WR than a 15Mil Guard, IMO. IMO, Beane is applying Moneyball to this team. Find diamonds in the rough that people do not appreciate and pay them a modest salary to save money for other positions of need. Can't argue with that, but there are no really good OT's hitting the FA market this year and besides, if that's the going rate for an all-pro G, I'd still pay it. we need to keep upgrading this OL. It's a long way from finished. We went from bottom 3 to average this year. That was a big step. Now let's take the next step. There re going to be a lot of good OT's available in this draft and if we can get a G and Edge rusher in FA. I want a beastly OL. They will make all of our skill players look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, GreggTX said: Can't argue with that, but there are no really good OT's hitting the FA market this year and besides, if that's the going rate for an all-pro G, I'd still pay it. we need to keep upgrading this OL. It's a long way from finished. We went from bottom 3 to average this year. That was a big step. Now let's take the next step. There re going to be a lot of good OT's available in this draft and if we can get a G and Edge rusher in FA. I want a beastly OL. They will make all of our skill players look better. I get the feeling the Bills aren't satisfied with their Oline and want to upgrade at LG. Curious to see how they accomplish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 hours ago, GreggTX said: Can't argue with that, but there are no really good OT's hitting the FA market this year and besides, if that's the going rate for an all-pro G, I'd still pay it. we need to keep upgrading this OL. It's a long way from finished. We went from bottom 3 to average this year. That was a big step. Now let's take the next step. There re going to be a lot of good OT's available in this draft and if we can get a G and Edge rusher in FA. I want a beastly OL. They will make all of our skill players look better. If you get the All Star G and draft an OT to play RT, what do you do with Ford? Backup? I wonder what the coaches and GM think how good of a job Ford did this season at OT. Did he do enough for them to keep him there? On a side note, I think it's great that we can discuss these things. Love pretending to be a GM... I wonder if the Bills have a whole department where all they do is breakdown current and college players to access them just for the offseason and/or if a trade comes up in the middle of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, hjnick said: If you get the All Star G and draft an OT to play RT, what do you do with Ford? Backup? I wonder what the coaches and GM think how good of a job Ford did this season at OT. Did he do enough for them to keep him there? On a side note, I think it's great that we can discuss these things. Love pretending to be a GM... I wonder if the Bills have a whole department where all they do is breakdown current and college players to access them just for the offseason and/or if a trade comes up in the middle of the season. I mean - didn't he have surgery like the day the season ended? These guys were banged up for sure. I do think they still think Ford is the guy at RT. Hence going for an upgrade at LG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 1:25 AM, formerlyofCtown said: There Oline was one of their problems on offense this season. But they had a all pro RT! (or so I heard from P*t fans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 7:10 AM, machine gun kelly said: agreed. We don’t need to spend that kind of $ in free agency, when we should just sign Spain as he played well for us. I think replacing players who played well sort of defeats the "family" and "we take care of our own" philosophy Bills have cited. That does not mean just anyone can borrow dad's jaguar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) On 1/29/2020 at 11:06 AM, whatdrought said: I really wouldn't love this... Would much rather throw a stack at Jack Conklin and put Ford at Guard. I was thinking the same things. I think it would be better for our line to sign Conklin and move Ford to LG. Edited January 31, 2020 by auburnbillsbacker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 11:03 PM, GG said: Lee Smith is a former Pat* I think that was before Thuney was there, though. Smith was originally drafted by the Pats in the 5th round in 2011 but was cut before the season started. I searched around a bit but couldn't find any super clear connection between Thuney and a Bills player, but I didn't search that much...half a Google... a Goog... not the full Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I was thinking the same things. I think it would be better for our line to sign Conklin and Ford to LG. Or Ford to RG and Mongo to LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Will he be able to hold on every play in Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) You draft and develop guards. You don’t break the bank for them by signing some other teams free agent. There is a reason guards seldom go in the first round of a draft. Edited January 31, 2020 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 10:03 AM, HappyDays said: I don't know his exact schtick but it seems like he makes a lot of guesses based on team needs and who players have as agents. His Twitter profile says he is an "NFL Insider" but doesn't say how he got those connections. Is he a media guy? Former scout? His profile says he is a "frequent contributor on national radio." Ok... what national radio? I listen to plenty of spots radio and never heard him before. Most NFL insiders appear to be unlicensed proctologists and are as full of the product of that specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Limeaid said: But they had a all pro RT! (or so I heard from P*t fans) That must be why they trade us a decent pick for a guy we were going to cut. 5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: You draft and develop guards. You don’t break the bank for them by signing some other teams free agent. There is a reason guards seldom go in the first round of a draft. Sometimes there are exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 12 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: That must be why they trade us a decent pick for a guy we were going to cut. Sometimes there are exceptions. We will differ. I'm sure we will have people agreeing with the both of us. Tackles, yes. Center, yes. Not guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I wouldn't be upset but it doesn't seem logical to me for the Bills to pay THAT much money for a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Magox said: I wouldn't be upset but it doesn't seem logical to me for the Bills to pay THAT much money for a guard. Sounds like the Jets want him bad and they are desperate on the OL. Maybe Beane is just going to fake drive up his price and doesn’t really intend to sign him. Edited February 1, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Maybe they want Robbie Anderson so they are trying to drive the price up on the jets on this player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sounds like the Jets want him bad and they are desperate on the OL. Maybe Beane is just going to fake drive up his price and doesn’t really intend to sign him. Maybe he would rather play on a winning team. Which would put him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 this doesn't sound like a Beane move to me. GMs and scouts never stray far from the teams whose programs they are the most familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Green Lightning Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 12:40 AM, Vod Kanockers said: Never buy a Pats* OL in FA. Once they’re not allowed to hold constantly, they’re essentially worthless. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 5:41 PM, TheBeaneBandit said: Or Ford to RG and Mongo to LG. ford has never played rg maybe switch it to ford lg and keep mongo at rg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: That's a shame for the Pats...................? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 4:48 PM, BigBillsFan said: Will he be able to hold on every play in Buffalo? No. And there’s the problem when bringing in OL from Pats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 A) You have to be extremely careful with Pats OL. Nate Solder was the best LT in football! B) Thuney is more of a finesse guard, and what this line needs is a mauler. Hope this doesn't come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: A) You have to be extremely careful with Pats OL. Nate Solder was the best LT in football! B) Thuney is more of a finesse guard, and what this line needs is a mauler. Hope this doesn't come to fruition. Didn’t Trent brown also earn a huge contract after filling that LT slot? If I remember correctly he got demoted to RT for the raiders by the start of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: Didn’t Trent brown also earn a huge contract after filling that LT slot? If I remember correctly he got demoted to RT for the raiders by the start of the season. He was signed to play RT from the start. Raiders had a 1st round pick training at LT. I know I know the contract.......ITS THE RAIDERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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