Buffalo Junction Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, section122 said: I think the Gaine point is a huge one. He knows Clowney and his actual demeanor not just his trying to sign a lucrative deal demeanor. The other point is the new facilities. For someone who often has lingering injuries that would imo be a huge selling point. I like Clowney but I am a little weary of how much he will cost. I'm in full on trust the process mode though. If they pay him I will be happy, if they decide he isn't worth the price tag I will be happy. Such a strange offseason going in feeling this way... My big concern with Clowney is the constant injuries. It’s the reason why I don’t want them to sign AJ Green. Now, if those injuries fade because we have better medical staff and facilities I’d be happy to see that level of talent on the team. It’s something we won’t have a grasp on unless he’s signed. I will say that Beane has taken shots on injury prone players (Murphy, Kroft) and most haven’t worked out. Although Murphy stayed healthy this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He is on Beanes radar but not right up front, i think he wants way to much cash but Beane is a master so far at putting out contracts & getting players that benefit the Bills you never know he may be able to get someone like Clowney but given his injury history is he worth top cash in this league ? When he is healthy he is a force but more so than not he has been hurt so will Clowney him self take that into consideration when it comes to his contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Looking at spotrac they have Clowney expected market value at 20 million. They have Jordan Phillips at 6.1 and Shaq at 7.6. Is Clowney worth those 2 and another solid piece? I think both of those numbers are low for Phillips and Shaq but still something to think about... Chris Jones is projected at 19.2 and is better at rushing the passer imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Irrespective of them ignoring that hit on Wentz, he’s one of - if not the most -penalized player in the league. I know he has the most in the league last year That should naturally take the pressure away from Hughes in that regards - unless they try to 1 up each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Say more. Why? My wife is a big 49ers fan so we watch the games. He is a consistent player in the run game. He is strong and keeps containment. He showed this season he can get to the QB with 10 sacks. Can this be repeated? I think it can with good players around him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, section122 said: Looking at spotrac they have Clowney expected market value at 20 million. They have Jordan Phillips at 6.1 and Shaq at 7.6. Is Clowney worth those 2 and another solid piece? I think both of those numbers are low for Phillips and Shaq but still something to think about... Chris Jones is projected at 19.2 and is better at rushing the passer imo. Clowney or another top pass rusher is worth more than combined 90, 93 and 97. The D will be unbeatable because getting to the QB consistently with the front 4 will free up Frazier and McD to dictate the matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: My big concern with Clowney is the constant injuries. It’s the reason why I don’t want them to sign AJ Green. Now, if those injuries fade because we have better medical staff and facilities I’d be happy to see that level of talent on the team. It’s something we won’t have a grasp on unless he’s signed. I will say that Beane has taken shots on injury prone players (Murphy, Kroft) and most haven’t worked out. Although Murphy stayed healthy this year. Yup very valid concern. I know Clowney is a good player but to me, to get that giant contract you have to have both ability and availability. I don't know that he checks that second box enough to make me comfortable to give him the big bucks. If Beane decides to though I will get it especially with the Gaine connection and the facilities. Hopefully the Bills can become like the early 2000s Suns where injury prone players go and resurrect their career due to the excellent staff/facilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill963 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Pending unrestricted free agent Jadeveon Clowney wants to play for contender GREEN BAY, Wisc. -- Jadeveon Clowney said his priority in free agency will be to play for a contender. "I just want to win," the defensive end said after the Seattle Seahawks' season came to an end with a 28-23 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday at Lambeau Field. "I'm trying to get to the Super Bowl by any means. That's what I'm looking for: Who's going to get me there? I ain't looking to get on no sorry team for no money. That ain't going to fly. I ain't gonna put my body through all of that just to lose no 16 games, go home with my check. I'd hate that, so that ain't what I'm doing. So if I can't win no Super Bowl, I ain't going to no team that can't win." Clowney, who turns 27 next month, headlines the list of Seahawks scheduled to become unrestricted free agents in March and will be one of the top available pass-rushers on the market. His first order of offseason business will be to determine if he'll have surgery on the core-muscle injury that has plagued him since Week 10. He said he probably will, though Clowney decided to put off surgery after a November visit to Dr. William Meyers, a core-muscle specialist in Philadelphia. ... Wow he speaks like a total dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 There's no way he want's to play in a backwater like Buffalo when there are "contenders" in much larger cities. Next topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Clowney is a dirty player, and practically just ***** over his whole team. Armstead has been solid the last two years and his character seems like a much better fit for what is being built here. He's a bull who can not only rush the passer, but has become a solid run stopper as well. He's a 3 down player with a great attitude. Good player. Price would also be very high (with less of a track record). 9ners considering outright tag. Around 18Mm if they do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Good player. Price would also be very high (with less of a track record). 9ners considering outright tag. Around 18Mm if they do that. They may not be able to afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: They may not be able to afford him. Yeah with Buckner & Kittle coming up, both of whom they want to lock up long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Sounds like a process guy I am sure Beane is getting a plane fueled on the tarmac now While I would never say never I doubt the Bills go after this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Apparently process guys are mediocre players who don’t want to get paid.... What exactly did this guy do or say that doesn’t make him a “process” guy? I will only play for a contender says it all. Why wouldn't he say that he would love to re-sign with Seattle? He better be prepared to take less money as most of the top teams don't have much cap room. I also think he is a dirty player and a cheap shot artist. That hit on Wentz should have brought a huge fine it was much more dangerous than Cody Fords so call Crack Back Block They didn't even get a 15yd penalty player safety my azz Edited January 13, 2020 by JMF2006 player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: He’s a dirty player based on one play? He wants to play for a contender.... big ***** deal. Why does that make him a “non process” guy? Maybe he would love to play for Seattle again. There was absolutely nothing wrong with his comments.(unless you are referring to his English....which is terrible) We shall see won't we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Mark92 said: I disagree. I think this team has really great solid core and a ton of depth. They need PLAYMAKERS. Yes the offense needs a WR, yes another RB is needed and yes the OL still needs some help. However, I don't believe I was the only one watching Clowney push Rodgers all over the field yesterday. Maybe he isn't the guy for this team but that talent level is what is needed. Give me 2 maybe 3 playmakers and a solid draft class and I'll be super happy. I 100% agree. This FA needs to be about getting quality playmakers. We have a ton of above-average guys, we need a few elite guys beyond Tre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I wouldn't want the Bills to throw money at Clowney. He's going to disappear once he gets paid, and I'd prefer for the opposition to wrap that anchor around their necks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: Clowney or another top pass rusher is worth more than combined 90, 93 and 97. The D will be unbeatable because getting to the QB consistently with the front 4 will free up Frazier and McD to dictate the matchups. That's the thing though, Clowney isn't a top flight pass rusher. He is a disruptor for sure but as for sacking the QB he has 32 over 75 games or just under a half sack a game. Jordan Phillips put up more sacks this year than Clowney ever has, Shaq had more sack than him this year. I don't want it to seem like I don't think Clowney is a very good player but he is about to get a top of the market contract and I don't know that he is worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: My big concern with Clowney is the constant injuries. It’s the reason why I don’t want them to sign AJ Green. Now, if those injuries fade because we have better medical staff and facilities I’d be happy to see that level of talent on the team. It’s something we won’t have a grasp on unless he’s signed. I will say that Beane has taken shots on injury prone players (Murphy, Kroft) and most haven’t worked out. Although Murphy stayed healthy this year. I think Kroft and Murhpy were both necessary risks at the time given the current state of TE and DL when they were signed. I expect (hope) Kroft is gone this year and we see Hooper/Knox at TE. Clowney's injuries do worry me because we have a good DL now. We need a guy to make it elite. If he's not out there, he can't help. I'll trust our medical people. I really won't freak out if we do or don't get him because I trust Bean with this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The real question is - how would he get along with Ed Oliver & would Ed say he sucks too? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Clowney is over rated. The amount of stupid penalties he takes is concerning as well. Edited January 13, 2020 by Real McNasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 During the game last night I swear they said he was playing hurt and needed surgery in the off season. I would love to have him in our team, but after surgery and for top dollar? I am not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I doubt that he is the kind of "team first" player that Beans and McDermott are looking for. Let him go to the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 playoffs in 3 seasons......playoff contender...that is us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He's already with a contender! WTH??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Irrespective of them ignoring that hit on Wentz, he’s one of - if not the most -penalized player in the league. I know he has the most in the league last year Should have been ejected after that hit. Fine their crooked too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Well if he wants to play for a contender so bad he won’t demand a 100 million dollar contract for 3-4 good games a season. He can say all he wants but most contending teams can not afford to pay what he was asking from the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 he may be a jerk, and he is injury prone, but his (admittedly dumb sounding statements) came at a heated moment after a loss and just shows where his head is at. he wants to win. one thing about him, yes his lack of huge sacks is a concern, is that of all the top flight guys (i figure there are 4 of them, maybe five hitting FA this season if they don't get tagged) he most fits into and most shows being happy with being 1/11. he's gonna want around 20MM per year of course, but he seems pretty happy to do the dirty work, take on lead blockers, drop, keep a controlled edge, as well as chase the qb and stick with it. his speed and slightly below jumbo size doesn't seem to hit him in the run game. he also plays hard and dirty and injured, which is exactly what we need. i'm still not saying he's our best guy, or even who they want or would be willing to sign with us, but McBean have shown they want size speed aggressive athletes in the front 7, look at who they had in carolina and how they are building up buffalo. give me hooper, cooper, clowney, get another WR in the draft (maybe even trade up) and either sign or draft an RT to compete and draft an RB2 and SAM and all the things that let us down vs houston are gone. no more 3rd and long converts, no more qb's running past the edge, and we have talent on the outside on O to actually match up and we don't go turtle when our RB1 is on the pine. 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: In place of Murph, not Shaq. JMO. You forgot to mention Ed. We have a couple of 3techs who can bring pressure up the middle. With Clowney bringing it from the edge look out. He would also shore up the run D, something we could well use at times. ya, that's a disgusting front 4 and while i think it would lead to more sacks what it would really do is lead to more turnovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Pending unrestricted free agent Jadeveon Clowney wants to play for contender GREEN BAY, Wisc. -- Jadeveon Clowney said his priority in free agency will be to play for a contender. "I just want to win," the defensive end said after the Seattle Seahawks' season came to an end with a 28-23 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday at Lambeau Field. "I'm trying to get to the Super Bowl by any means. That's what I'm looking for: Who's going to get me there? I ain't looking to get on no sorry team for no money. That ain't going to fly. I ain't gonna put my body through all of that just to lose no 16 games, go home with my check. I'd hate that, so that ain't what I'm doing. So if I can't win no Super Bowl, I ain't going to no team that can't win." Clowney, who turns 27 next month, headlines the list of Seahawks scheduled to become unrestricted free agents in March and will be one of the top available pass-rushers on the market. His first order of offseason business will be to determine if he'll have surgery on the core-muscle injury that has plagued him since Week 10. He said he probably will, though Clowney decided to put off surgery after a November visit to Dr. William Meyers, a core-muscle specialist in Philadelphia. ... Love the attitude... Didn't want before bc of high price tag, but if this is what he really believes, I want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Clowney strikes me as the type who will play for the Pat*#$@, thinking they're going to the Super Bowl next year, because PFF and ESPN and the national polls and Vegas like them... let him join the Evil (crumbling) Empire, if you ask me. How rich would that be? The second he signs that contract, Brady announces his retirement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 So he wants to ride along on a championship team? Why would a team that can win a championship without him want to give him a big contract? This guy sounds like a total loser to me. If Houston and Seattle aren’t good enough for him, nowhere will be good enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: That's what I'm looking for: Who's going to get me there? I ain't looking to get on no sorry team for no money. That ain't going to fly. I ain'tgonna put my body through all of that just to lose no 16games, go home with my check. I'd hate that, so that ain't what I'm doing. So if I can't win no Super Bowl, I ain't going to no team that can't win." There’s 7 “I”’s in his explanation. No thanks. Over-hyped player. He had one big hit in college and is not a difference maker...nor is he a Beane type. I think thats a sound track int he background All aboard! Hahahahaha Aye Aye Aye Aye Aye Aye... Crazy, but that's how it goesMillions of people living as foesMaybe it's not too lateTo learn how to love and forget how to hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: A few thoughts here: 1) yes, Buffalo is a team that can win now 2) I suspect his agent knows this 3) I suspect his agent will also be well aware of Buffalo’s reputation for being ahead of the curve in terms of getting and keeping players healthy 4) I think many folks on this board have not watched much of Clowney. He’s an absolute animal. He RACKS up TFLs regardless of who’s around him, and mostly in systems that aren’t suited to his skill set 5) He has a good relationship with Brian Gaine. Gaine is the one that fought for giving Clowney a mega deal to stay in Houston. O’Brien said no. I don't know how Seattle can afford to let him leave.........their defense was punchless without him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't know how Seattle can afford to let him leave.........their defense was punchless without him. They have plenty of cap space and gave up real assets to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, GG said: They have plenty of cap space and gave up real assets to get him. I'm still not sure why they gave up on Frank Clark but it just seems like they'd go to the table to keep Clowney with nothing behind him. I was surprised they dropped him in coverage on that game clinching play yesterday...........that would be top of page TBD material if that were the Bills and they played it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm still not sure why they gave up on Frank Clark but it just seems like they'd go to the table to keep Clowney with nothing behind him. I was surprised they dropped him in coverage on that game clinching play yesterday...........that would be top of page TBD material if that were the Bills and they played it like that. Of course he didn't complain about dropping in coverage. Clowney was always a pipe dream ,especially when Bills didn't make a hard press to get him in Sept. I'm convinced Bills would still be playing if they puled the trigger. But realistically, the Jax DEs are far more likely targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Dolphins blow him away and offer record contract. "I believe in three years if everything goes right we'll compete for a Wild Card spot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Real McNasty said: Clowney is over rated. The amount of stupid penalties he takes is concerning as well. People want an upgrade over Jerry Hughes, but Im not sure this is what they mean ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Does Clowney have a best friend called Bubba? Edited January 13, 2020 by RobbRiddick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I’d rather the Bills trade for Dunlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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