Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. The only team that had as few of pass breakups from their safeties in the AFC as The Bills was The Colts. Did not look up the NFC Edited January 11, 2020 by Happy Days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 We have perhaps the best safety tandem in the NFL. Period. 5 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I would tally it up to the not enough pressure and quarterbacks having more time to make the right read. Most of the pass game against us is underneath and everyone swarms. Not a lot of over the top stuff to give them plays on the ball. I don’t worry about those guys too much. They’re actually so good I forget they’re on the team sometimes unless I see a missed tackle. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I wouldnt pay the big extension to poyer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 They never miss a play on the NFL’s 2nd ranked Pass Defense, 2 years running. Opponents aren’t attacking deep very often. Hard to get your hands on the ball when it isn’t coming your way. -and S’up with name only thread title? You’ve been around here since Christ was a carpenter apprentice. If you’d have provided a jist of the content, I wouldn’t have clicked. Well, I would have, cuz I’m supposed to. But others deserve the opportunity to not waste their time reading personal perspectives on certain players. ’Hyde & Poyer Suck!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Swap Wives!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer don’t get many opportunities to garner stats’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Go bowling’ Give readers the opportunity to click or pass. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, GreggTX said: We have perhaps the best safety tandem in the NFL. Period. I remember Donte Witner getting only 2 pass breakups in multiple seasons. He was always late to the play which always frustrated me. A good starting safety should have more pass breakups than that. Poyer had 3, Hyde had 2 pass break ups.perhaps it was a down year, but I expect better than that from what some consider the best safety tandem in the league. Edited January 11, 2020 by Happy Days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Happy Days said: I remember Donte Witner getting only 2 pass breakups in multiple seasons. He was always late to the play which always frustrated me. A good starting safety should have more pass breakups than that. Poyer had 3, Hyde had 2 pass break ups.perhaps it was a down year, but I expect better than that from what some consider the best safety tandem in the league. This isn't THE @HappyDays. Accept no imitation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. Don't quit your day job. Edited January 11, 2020 by John Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Not the way this defense is structured, which is to keep everything in front of them. They don't break up passes because very few deep balls are even attempted against them. Next topic... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Holy Whisker Twisters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 If i had one complaint about them it would be tackling but the defense as a whole was bad this year in that category. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. 2 stats and warping it into a whole season of “disappointment” find a new hobby bro. btw: you have no idea, not even a basic one, of what safeties are asked to do in this defense. Honestly? You make me sick. Edited January 11, 2020 by JoPoy88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. Not saying I’m necessarily disappointed, but if you look at their pbu and int totals from 2017, vs 2019.... drastic drop off for both. Not sure of offenses change how and where they attack, scheme change or what. They back end of the defense did their job most of the year, stats notwithstanding. Poyer was noticeable in a bad way on most every Houston end zone play except the 2 pt slant to Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: They never miss a play on the NFL’s 2nd ranked Pass Defense, 2 years running. Opponents aren’t attacking deep very often. Hard to get your hands on the ball when it isn’t coming your way. -and S’up with name only thread title? You’ve been around here since Christ was a carpenter apprentice. If you’d have provided a jist of the content, I wouldn’t have clicked. Well, I would have, cuz I’m supposed to. But others deserve the opportunity to not waste their time reading personal perspectives on certain players. ’Hyde & Poyer Suck!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Swap Wives!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer don’t get many opportunities to garner stats’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Go bowling’ Give readers the opportunity to click or pass. Different poster. Not @HappyDays. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: They never miss a play on the NFL’s 2nd ranked Pass Defense, 2 years running. Opponents aren’t attacking deep very often. Hard to get your hands on the ball when it isn’t coming your way. -and S’up with name only thread title? You’ve been around here since Christ was a carpenter apprentice. If you’d have provided a jist of the content, I wouldn’t have clicked. Well, I would have, cuz I’m supposed to. But others deserve the opportunity to not waste their time reading personal perspectives on certain players. ’Hyde & Poyer Suck!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Swap Wives!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer don’t get many opportunities to garner stats’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Go bowling’ Give readers the opportunity to click or pass. I think the Bills led the league in plays allowed over 30 yards. Before the Houston game they had quite a streak going. I can’t remember exactly how long it was but the stat was floating around playoff week. The safeties are a big part of that. I hope both guys are around long term. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I think the Bills led the league in plays allowed over 30 yards. Before the Houston game they had quite a streak going. I can’t remember exactly how long it was but the stat was floating around playoff week. The safeties are a big part of that. I hope both guys are around long term. more facts. please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Days said: I remember Donte Witner getting only 2 pass breakups in multiple seasons. He was always late to the play which always frustrated me. A good starting safety should have more pass breakups than that. Poyer had 3, Hyde had 2 pass break ups.perhaps it was a down year, but I expect better than that from what some consider the best safety tandem in the league. Teams have stopped throwing in the deep middle against the Bills for the most part. I am not sure about the best safety tandem in the league tags... I think best safety tandem in pass defense is probably more accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Teams have stopped throwing in the deep middle against the Bills for the most part. I am not sure about the best safety tandem in the league tags... I think best safety tandem in pass defense is probably more accurate. i agree. What a horrible place to be. Personally ima need about 15 int’s from my safeties every year or else dump ‘em. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. I have been on record saying Poyer was pretty bad this year. Blown assignments and sloppy tackling were at the top of my assessment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: 2 stats and warping it into a whole season of “disappointment” find a new hobby bro. btw: you have no idea, not even a basic one, of what safeties are asked to do in this defense. Honestly? You make me sick. Maalox? Permit me to offer, mon vieux But as others have said, there's a reason that Poyer and Hyde are regarded as one of the best safety tandems in the league. They have an important role in McD's defense and they fill it well. Racking up INTs and PBU in McD's D would be like leading the league in tackles for a safety, which has happened on different Bills teams at times - it would be a sign that the rest of the D isn't doing THEIR job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maalox? Permit me to offer, mon vieux But as others have said, there's a reason that Poyer and Hyde are regarded as one of the best safety tandems in the league. They have an important role in McD's defense and they fill it well. It's like leading the league in tackles for a safety, which has happened on the Bills at times - it would be a sign that the rest of the D isn't doing THEIR job and I am well aware of that fact and you said it much more politely than i did thank you Hap. There are actual deficiencies on this team that COULD be talked about but this particular thread decided to make one up instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: I have been on record saying Poyer was pretty bad this year. Blown assignments and sloppy tackling were at the top of my assessment. If you ever have the opportunity, see the one-man play by former NFL safety Bo Eason, "Runt of the Litter". It's funny and emotionally moving if you're not a football fan. If you're a football fan, it's AMAZEBALLS. One if his themes is that "safety" is a misnamed position, it's anything but safe. It's the safety's job to protect the team from everyone ELSE'S mistakes. Your record is mistaken. I can count the outright mistakes from Poyer this season without removing my left glove. Sloppy tackling, let's just say I hope the entire Bills D is striving to up their tackle game this off season because fo'shizzle there is room to improve (I'm talking 'bout you Matt Milano) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you ever have the opportunity, see the one-man play by former NFL safety Bo Eason, "Runt of the Litter". It's funny and emotionally moving if you're not a football fan. If you're a football fan, it's AMAZEBALLS. One if his themes is that "safety" is a misnamed position, it's anything but safe. It's the safety's job to protect the team from everyone ELSE'S mistakes. Your record is mistaken. I can count the outright mistakes from Poyer this season without removing my left glove. Sloppy tackling, let's just say I hope the entire Bills D is striving to up their tackle game this off season because fo'shizzle there is room to improve (I'm talking 'bout you Matt Milano) Agree totally with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. surely you can't be serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you ever have the opportunity, see the one-man play by former NFL safety Bo Eason, "Runt of the Litter". It's funny and emotionally moving if you're not a football fan. If you're a football fan, it's AMAZEBALLS. One if his themes is that "safety" is a misnamed position, it's anything but safe. It's the safety's job to protect the team from everyone ELSE'S mistakes. Your record is mistaken. I can count the outright mistakes from Poyer this season without removing my left glove. Sloppy tackling, let's just say I hope the entire Bills D is striving to up their tackle game this off season because fo'shizzle there is room to improve (I'm talking 'bout you Matt Milano) I will definitely check that out! Thank you. Respectfully disagree on Poyer- there was times he left me shaking my head. Maybe it is because his 17 and 18 season were at such a high level that the little slips were amplified. Anyways, we all have our fun opinions and takes my friend. Go Bills Edited January 11, 2020 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Hyde is a stud and Poyer is very good. I think Poyer had a few glaring missed tackles against Houston and that has made a lasting impression on some. His season as a whole was solid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 10 hours ago, GreggTX said: We have perhaps the best safety tandem in the NFL. Period. no we don't. Hyde is top 5 safety in the league but Poyer is a bang average player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 10 hours ago, GreggTX said: We have perhaps the best safety tandem in the NFL. Period. We had. They both regressed this year as I said in another thread. In our losses to the Pat's and houston at end of season...rewatch the game. Poyer and hyde both missed huge tackles that cost us points. Their tackling has been suspect this year and they were part of the early run defensive issues. 36 minutes ago, Needle said: Hyde is a stud and Poyer is very good. I think Poyer had a few glaring missed tackles against Houston and that has made a lasting impression on some. His season as a whole was solid. Hyde had the biggest missed tackle of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, GreggTX said: We have perhaps the best safety tandem in the NFL. Period. Do we, you sure about that? Need to tackle better. Edited January 11, 2020 by pop gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: They never miss a play on the NFL’s 2nd ranked Pass Defense, 2 years running. Opponents aren’t attacking deep very often. Hard to get your hands on the ball when it isn’t coming your way. -and S’up with name only thread title? You’ve been around here since Christ was a carpenter apprentice. If you’d have provided a jist of the content, I wouldn’t have clicked. Well, I would have, cuz I’m supposed to. But others deserve the opportunity to not waste their time reading personal perspectives on certain players. ’Hyde & Poyer Suck!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Swap Wives!’ ‘Hyde & Poyer don’t get many opportunities to garner stats’ ‘Hyde & Poyer Go bowling’ Give readers the opportunity to click or pass. I'm gonna disagree with this part for Poyer. He is late to plays a lot. 2 TDs by Texans come to mind. Couldn't tackle Watson who wore Poyer on his back like a cape for at least 10 yards and into the EZ. As far as good safety duos, not sure they are better than Denver's, Ravens or Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: We had. They both regressed this year as I said in another thread. In our losses to the Pat's and houston at end of season...rewatch the game. Poyer and hyde both missed huge tackles that cost us points. Their tackling has been suspect this year and they were part of the early run defensive issues. Hyde had the biggest missed tackle of the game. Plenty of missed tackles to go around. I'm sure every Bills fan has one that sticks out in their mind. The missed tackle that bothered me the most was the 3rd and 18 that they gave up. It was after Neal got the sack on Watson and momentum was shifting back to the Bills. In my opinion that was a ridiculously routine play to get on a simple dump off. The Bills had Edmunds and Neal in position to make the tackle and they let the ball carrier (Duke Johnson I think) blast through for the first down. As others have pointed out in this thread. The safeties are at worst a very good combo. I don't see how anyone objectively finds too much fault with the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: This isn't THE @HappyDays. Accept no imitation. OP joined our ranks in ‘03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven&nine Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Man. The season just ended and it really stinks that you didn't get to see any games. It was a fun year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: I will definitely check that out! Thank you. Respectfully disagree on Poyer- there was times he left me shaking my head. Maybe it is because his 17 and 18 season were at such a high level that the little slips were amplified. Anyways, we all have our fun opinions and takes my friend. Go Bills Poyer was a bit lackluster Feel like his name got called good portion of missed tackles and breakdowns. I agree their stats would look better if teams were attacking downfield which is not where they hurt the Bills this season. Or if we were more of a attacking defense vs the bend dont break approach. Tackling in general was sloppy and more so the second part of the year. When you play a lot of zone and allow short catches you have to limit the yardage after the reception with a quick clean tackle I though the Bills were a bit suspect there (this is not directly aimed at Poyer/Hyde) Checkdowns seemed to be a Kryptonite this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: OP joined our ranks in ‘03. Well, lookit that. Mah bad, of lover of the leg lamp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Besides that missed sack against Watson but Siran Neal really impressed me down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 No pass rush. In fact most of the QB sacks were coverage sacks. You are looking at the wrong part of the defense that needs to be fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 We had somewhat pedestrian takeaway numbers this season as a team. That's actually a positive going into next season. It'll be hard to repeat as the #2 PPG defense at 16ppg but there is a decent chance our defense can at least match there takeaways or create even more takeaways next season. In Trubitzky's break out season last year Chicago lead the league by a wide margin in takeaways with 36. For comparison this year the Bills were tied for 10th place with five other teams with 23 takeaways. The Bears takeaways in 2018 were not sustainable and they dropped all the way down to 19, the bottom third of the league in that category. Bills are at a far lesser risk to see a huge drop in takeaway's stunt the team and Allen's success in 2020. On the flips side, teams like Pittsburgh and New England who led the league in takeaways at 38 and 36 respectively will find it difficult to even come close to those takeaway totals in 2020. Which could lead to one or two more regular season losses in the coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 hours ago, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. Stats are always meaningless without context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) More crappy players on our top rated D. It’s amazing we were ranked so high with so many awful players. Edited January 11, 2020 by Nick the Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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