SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4240585/aj-epenesa STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK FF FR YDS INT YDS AVG TD LNG PD 2019 49 32 17 11.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2018 37 21 16 10.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2017 15 8 7 4.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 The question is ... Do they want to "gamble" and pay BIG $ for a 4 / 5 year vet or "gamble" on the fresh out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I'm not sure if this was said, I didn't have time to read all responses. Jefferson will NOT be there at where we pick in round 2...... as the process moves along, I could absolutely see him being our first round pick. That’s a pretty definitive statement... I’m pretty sure he could be there in round 2. He’s not an explosive athlete on film and that will drop him out of round 1 if the combine results match the film. I’m not saying he won’t be a good player in the NFL or even a great player in the nfl. Lots of #1 WRs are drafted after round 1. Just saying the ones who go in the 1st are usually certain types of WR. Edited January 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s a pretty definitive statement... I’m pretty sure he could be there in round 2. He’s not an explosive athlete on film and that will drop him out of round 1 if the combine results match the film. I’m not saying he won’t be a good player in the NFL or even a great player in the nfl. Lots of #1 WRs are drafted after round 1. Just saying the ones who go in the 1st are usually certain types of WR. He may go in round 2. Not where we pick in round 2. You're right, actually a LOT of the NFL's good receivers today were round 2. Sterling Shep, DK, Godwin, AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, etc etc etc Edited January 9, 2020 by warrior9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, warrior9 said: He may go in round 2. Not where we pick in round 2. You're right, actually a LOT of the NFL's good receivers today were round 2. Sterling Shep, DK, Godwin, AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, etc etc etc I mean - again, I know it’s easy to think everyone *should* be a top 50 player when you watch them but the reality is they all won’t be. At this time of year there like 100 players who we think could/should be top 50 players. He very well could be there when we pick in round 2 not only for the reasons stated but also because of the incredibly deep WR class where teams may be inclined to wait on that position and address a thinner group early in the top tier - that could push him and others like him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 definitely going EDGE in first round ....DE/LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Hey, CBS sports couldn't even name our starting WRs for game 1 of the season. Misspelled Singletary (Singleton)twice and now I am suppose to believe anything they write about the Bills? Won't happen You don’t have to believe it. They just want you to CLICK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I mean - again, I know it’s easy to think everyone *should* be a top 50 player when you watch them but the reality is they all won’t be. At this time of year there like 100 players who we think could/should be top 50 players. He very well could be there when we pick in round 2 not only for the reasons stated but also because of the incredibly deep WR class where teams may be inclined to wait on that position and address a thinner group early in the top tier - that could push him and others like him down. I'd be surprised if he's there, he's just a special talent, IMO. I think as the draft process moves along, he's going to sky rocket. That being said.... I don't think we can miss in round 1 or 2 this year. With the talent pool that is there and how seemingly well Beane has drafted(obviously Cody Ford's jury is still out but he progress nonetheless), i'm super excited for this draft. I think this draft/ off-season will set us up for the next 3-4 years if we hit. Our core would be incredibly young, athletic, and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I'm not sure if this was said, I didn't have time to read all responses. Jefferson will NOT be there at where we pick in round 2...... as the process moves along, I could absolutely see him being our first round pick. I agree, unfortunately. I think he will be our pick at #22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 If he was there I would be fine with this selection and would anticipate the Bills targeting the War they like and moving up in second to get them if a suitor of the trade could be found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Would be a steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Free Agency: Bud Dupree, LB/DE, Pittsburgh 5yrs $80m Robby Anderson, WR, NYJ 3yrs $27m RD1: AJ Epenesa, DE, Iowa RD2: Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU RD3: Yasir Durant, RT, Missouri RD4: Stephen Guidry, WR, Mississippi State 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Turk71 said: Besides wr and backup rb, I thought the offensive line was a big weakness for the team. They still need more talent there. They were *much* better this year than last but that's not saying much. They will get better just having cohesion next year but I'm fine with bringing in some competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Great, we already went through the Wrong Josh era on this forum, get ready for Wrong AJ when we get either this one or Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Forcing a draft pick strictly for need, while leaving an impact player on the board is what mediocre teams do. Respectfully disagree. Ignoring needs for BPA leads to bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Forcing a draft pick strictly for need, while leaving an impact player on the board is what mediocre teams do. I agree, but isn't this the best receiver class in many years? Take the highest graded player, and if there's a tie between the WR and DE, take the WR. 13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Respectfully disagree. Ignoring needs for BPA leads to bad things. As I said above, I don't even think the logic applies in this scenario given the great WR talent in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Happy to see Jefferson's name linked to us. I don't know much about him other than watching a few highlight videos, but his skill set pops on the videos I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: I really do agree Bob but we need a top receiver and there are many out there who look like absolute stars. Oh yeah but it can work either way. We didn't draft Mahomes or Watson (who we desperately needed) and drafted a corner. We have made mistakes from all angles, no? Beane does not seem to have the issues that his predecessors had, I said it in the end of year presser thread - best GM we have had since Polian -there is actually a roster building plan since he arrived. If we don't move from 22 at all, there is a good chance that CB could be BPA - imagine that one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: If we don't move from 22 at all, there is a good chance that CB could be BPA - imagine that one That would REALLY blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Respectfully disagree. Ignoring needs for BPA leads to bad things. A smart GM takes both into account. Take BPA. If you have multiple players that are graded similarly then go for the need. I wouldn’t want to force a WR in the first of another player is far and away graded higher. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Beane does not seem to have the issues that his predecessors had, I said it in the end of year presser thread - best GM we have had since Polian -there is actually a roster building plan since he arrived. If we don't move from 22 at all, there is a good chance that CB could be BPA - imagine that one Not sure if McB go CB in rd1, but I’m on record saying that I highly doubt they’ll pass on Bryce Hall or another coveted corner if they somehow drop to us in rd2. Hard to make any guesses before FA, combine, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said: Not sure if McB go CB in rd1, but I’m on record saying that I highly doubt they’ll pass on Bryce Hall or another coveted corner if they somehow drop to us in rd2. Hard to make any guesses before FA, combine, etc. Bryce hall is a McDermott DNA player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Not sure if McB go CB in rd1, but I’m on record saying that I highly doubt they’ll pass on Bryce Hall or another coveted corner if they somehow drop to us in rd2. Hard to make any guesses before FA, combine, etc. I wasn't saying we should @BillfromNYC just loves 1st round CBs RD2 will be true straight up BPA at any position and CB2 is a need Edited January 9, 2020 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: I wasn't saying we should @BillfromNYC just loves 1st round CBs RD2 will be true straight up BPA at any position and CB2 is a need Still cringey to me. They REALLY need to invest resources into the offense, even if it means ignoring the defense for an offseason for the most part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Bryce hall is a McDermott DNA player Yup. He fits every McMetric for this defense. 6’ 200 lb corner that excels in zone, likes to tackle, ultra competitive, senior, team leader, ball hawking skills, and his best traits are awareness and work ethic. I have a hard time seeing them passing on that kid if he’s there at our 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: That would REALLY blow. Right?! We will get a better idea after the combine & FA when we can really look at the needs of the 21 teams in front of us. I'm certain Beane will move around to make sure he gets his one of his top WR targets. Just quickly looking at some mocks and where talent lines up, CB actually could be BPA at 22 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Still cringey to me. They REALLY need to invest resources into the offense, even if it means ignoring the defense for an offseason for the most part. We better not draft CB in RD1 (and I am no way for it - terrible move). If Bryce Hall or one of the top RTs is sitting in the late 30s-40s, I would move up for that. As of now, the talent level looks good for those positions (CB/RT) right there with some additional depth below that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 13 hours ago, PIZ said: What about K’Lavon Chaisson .... and Yetur Gross Mayos Chaisson looks like a great replacement for ZO! Good in coverage and side line to side line speed and has elite pass rushing ability. 1 hour ago, Sunshower said: Free Agency: Bud Dupree, LB/DE, Pittsburgh 5yrs $80m Robby Anderson, WR, NYJ 3yrs $27m RD1: AJ Epenesa, DE, Iowa RD2: Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU RD3: Yasir Durant, RT, Missouri RD4: Stephen Guidry, WR, Mississippi State Do you think both Adenrson and Dupree would be let go by their current teams? I´m all up for this, including that draft but I really don´t think they would test the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4240585/aj-epenesa STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK FF FR YDS INT YDS AVG TD LNG PD 2019 49 32 17 11.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2018 37 21 16 10.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2017 15 8 7 4.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 The question is ... Do they want to "gamble" and pay BIG $ for a 4 / 5 year vet or "gamble" on the fresh out? What if they end up doing both? Would that surprise you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The good news is that CBS has one or more new mock drafts almost literally every day from now until the actual draft. I think they keep doing mock drafts after the draft is over. Don't put any stock in these things. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: If we don't move from 22 at all, there is a good chance that CB could be BPA - imagine that one I am going to respectfully decline, thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: If we don't move from 22 at all, there is a good chance that CB could be BPA - imagine that one That's when you try and move down 2 or three spots for some extra picks to use. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 hours ago, PIZ said: What about K’Lavon Chaisson .... and Yetur Gross Mayos I saw Chaisson in a USA Today draft,. But then it had us getting the 5'11" WR from TCU in the second. BLAH. 2 hours ago, Antonio said: Chaisson looks like a great replacement for ZO! Good in coverage and side line to side line speed and has elite pass rushing ability. Do you think both Adenrson and Dupree would be let go by their current teams? I´m all up for this, including that draft but I really don´t think they would test the market. thought here in PGH is that Dupree is likely gone. The Steelers have little cap space. That said, Dupree is a hot and cold player who will drive us nuts. I'd rather take Chaisson and spend FA money on Yannik or another Edge DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-mock-draft-panthers-begin-matt-rhule-era-with-a-new-quarterback-patriots-get-a-nice-surprise/ I didn't realize the misfortune of the Eagles losing last Sunday given they'll be in the market for a WR. Would love Tee Higgins. Dang, with that run on blue chip WRs so early, the DE pick makes sense. Otherwise, we're trading up to get our WR (which wouldnt be a surprise either). 24 minutes ago, B-Man said: That's when you try and move down 2 or three spots for some extra picks to use. . We have 9 picks already. How many more does Beane need? If anything, I'd expect Beane to use them to move up to get a WR so he doesnt ahve to pick CB as BPA. Wtih the cap space we have, we can afford to trade away some picks to get our guys, and fill in the blanks with FAs. 2 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: The good news is that CBS has one or more new mock drafts almost literally every day from now until the actual draft. I think they keep doing mock drafts after the draft is over. Don't put any stock in these things. None. I dont think many folks put stock into them as a definite of what will happen. Just interesting "what if" discussions seeing how the different scenarios play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Respectfully disagree. Ignoring needs for BPA leads to bad things. It's a sliding rule. In the early rounds, especially the 1st, you want to lean more towards BPA. Then you focus more on needs as you move into the 3rd round and beyond. And bonus if the 1st round BPA happens to match one of your needs. Reaching for needs early is how you end up with 1st rounders like Erik Flowers, Donte Whitner, and Aaron Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 19 hours ago, WMDman said: no way he lasts that long Thats what everyone told me last year when I mocked us taking Cody Ford in the second. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thats what everyone told me last year when I mocked us taking Cody Ford in the second. Just saying Easily beane's worst draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Lol...I see the BPA vs Needs senseless argument still persists again...new decade, same story ha BPA is not LITERALLY only the best player available REGARDLESS of need. Every GM in the history of all sports on this entire planet has team needs and areas of improvement built into BPA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Easily beane's worst draft pick Wouldn't say that yet. I think he will be pretty good once moved to guard. Point was, everyone said last year "No way Cody Ford lasts to the 2nd round". A lot of people said that too about Dalton Risner, DK Metcalf (I was one of those people), etc etc. Its impossible to say who will or wont slide to where at this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Bob in STL said: The scenario is the prediction that Epenesa falls to us. If he is there at 22, which won’t happen, we should take him and look at WR in the 2nd round. Moving up was not the original discussion. If we are talking moving up then it’s possible an offensive player would be targeted. At 22, I doubt there will be a need to force a pick in either direction. The offense needs help, it's not hard to figure that out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Wouldn't say that yet. I think he will be pretty good once moved to guard. Point was, everyone said last year "No way Cody Ford lasts to the 2nd round". A lot of people said that too about Dalton Risner, DK Metcalf (I was one of those people), etc etc. Its impossible to say who will or wont slide to where at this time of year. And again - if you're moving up and down the draft board to match the value, it's fine to draft for need - where you run into trouble drafting for need is when you pass up value where you're picking, i.e., where you take a need position that you could've gotten later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 21 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I predict we take a defensive player in the first round too. Maybe next year we can have the #1 defense while scoring 18 pts every week. That'll be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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