Amazing Tre White stat

[PatsFanNH]

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

[eball]

If I'm McD/Frazier I have one thought going into this game:  we will not let Hopkins beat us.  However they get that done -- whether it's having Tre shadow him or making sure he's double covered all day -- I will be surprised if Hopkins has a big game.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

If I'm McD/Frazier I have one thought going into this game:  we will not let Hopkins beat us.  However they get that done -- whether it's having Tre shadow him or making sure he's double covered all day -- I will be surprised if Hopkins has a big game.

I mean it’s kinda stupid every team playing the Texans don’t have the same thought process.  The thing with Watson is he will throw at White so White will have more chances to make plays than he does most games. 

[RiotAct]

not bad for the 15th-best cornerback in the league

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

He shadows depending on the situation. Here are some of the WRs he has shadowed this year per rotoworld

 

Week 9 vs. Terry McLaurin: 4 receptions-39 yards-0 TD (6 targets)

Week 10 vs. Odell Beckham: 5-57-0 (12)

Week 11 vs. DeVante Parker: 7-135-0 (10)

Week 12 vs. Courtland Sutton: 1-27-0 (8)

also - Diggs last year 17 yards

Edited January 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[PatsFanNH]

16 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

not bad for the 15th-best cornerback in the league

Really? I have him in my top 10 almost top 5 (he is #6 on my list)

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He shadows depending on the situation. Here are some of the WRs he has shadowed this year per rotoworld

 

Week 9 vs. Terry McLaurin: 4 receptions-39 yards-0 TD (6 targets)

Week 10 vs. Odell Beckham: 5-57-0 (12)

Week 11 vs. DeVante Parker: 7-135-0 (10)

Week 12 vs. Courtland Sutton: 1-27-0 (8)

also - Diggs last year 17 yards

Parker is a real Pain to cover for even the top CB it seems.  (Amazing job on OBJ!) 

[JerseyBills]

 

He's a stud! ??????

 

Look at McD just leaving White 1 on 1 with OBJ by the goal line. Tres technique, speed , awareness are just phenomenal. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

24 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

not bad for the 15th-best cornerback in the league

 

#lolpff

 

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Really? I have him in my top 10 almost top 5 (he is #6 on my list)

That's in reference to PFF and their strange rankings.

 

6th is too low, BTW. It's Gilmore and White in a class of their own at this point. Have to give the edge to Gilmore because he plays more man and is on an island by himself more often, but even though the Bills play zone they often have White shadow the top receiver anyways.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

Can’t let Hyde and the run game set up the big play to Hopkins. Letting him loose on Wallace or Taron Johnson will be a mistake. That’s how teams have beaten the Bills this year, and the Texans will approach this game no different. 
 

The key to victory on defense  is stopping the run. Hopkins and Watson can’t beat this defense alone. 

[MDH]

58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He shadows depending on the situation. Here are some of the WRs he has shadowed this year per rotoworld

 

Week 9 vs. Terry McLaurin: 4 receptions-39 yards-0 TD (6 targets)

Week 10 vs. Odell Beckham: 5-57-0 (12)

Week 11 vs. DeVante Parker: 7-135-0 (10)

Week 12 vs. Courtland Sutton: 1-27-0 (8)

also - Diggs last year 17 yards

 

White wasn't on Parker for every snap. I just watched every Parker catch in that game and it looks like you can tag 5 of those catches on White for around 70-80 yards. Parker had a big gain in that game when White wasn't anywhere near him. Granted, Parker also had a big game where White got caught peeking into the backfield and jumped a route and Parker got behind him.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

 

599 coverage snaps as well.

[HOUSE]

Well, he should be good, he knows all the plays

 

[2003Contenders]

I think the key is going to be the OTHER CBs and how well they are able to defend crossing routes, slants, etc. While Tre has handled his business against opposing teams' top WR, it has been the other DBs who have struggled against slot WRs (Edelman, Landry, Crowder, etc.).

[Mr. K]

Tre White > Jairus Byrd (even though he was a safety) 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Really? I have him in my top 10 almost top 5 (he is #6 on my list)

Parker is a real Pain to cover for even the top CB it seems.  (Amazing job on OBJ!) 

Sarcasm?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Sarcasm?

at this point and with how he's been playing I honestly think anyone not listing him in the top 3 just hasn't been paying attention....

 

NFL.com just did a write up projecting the all pro selections from this year and both the writers, one using the "eye test" and the other using "next gen stats" had him getting a nod as one of the 2 corners to grab the honor.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093805/article/2019-nfl-allpro-teams-eye-test-vs-next-gen-stats-defense

 

Cornerbacks

 

Wesseling: Stephon Gilmore, New England Patriots; Tre'Davious White, Buffalo Bills. Gilmore finally allowed a touchdown in coverage on John Brown's 53-yard bomb in Week 16, leaving White as the cornerback with the most targets (83) without surrendering a score, per NFL Research. It's not every year that the interception leaderboard is headlined by the stingiest cover corners, but Gilmore and White sit atop the charts with six apiece while also ranking first (26) and second (23) in passes defensed, respectively. Gilmore ranked among the top three corners with an opposing passer rating of 47.4. Those numbers are all the more impressive considering New England's secondary lines up in man-to-man coverage as frequently as any team in the league. Gilmore is the key chess piece on a defense that is only the third since 2002 to amass 25 or more interceptions while holding opposing passers to a rating under 63.0. Capable of taking over games by erasing No. 1 wideouts and forcing timely turnovers, White is perhaps the lone week-to-week difference-maker on a Bills squad that reached double-digit victories for the first time this century.

 

Shook: Stephon Gilmore, New England Patriots; Tre'Davious White, Buffalo Bills. Stephon Gilmore has owned the throne as the league's best corner for most of the season, and the advanced metrics back that up. Among those who were targeted 50-plus times, Gilmore was second in catch rate below expectation at -11.8 percent, second in ball-hawk rate (20.8 percent; this is the percentage of targets where the nearest defender made a play on the football), first in passes defended with 20 and tied for the lead in interceptions with six. He also ranked seventh in coverage success rate (60.4 percent) and allowed opposing passers to log just a 38.0 passer rating when targeted, second-best among that group. Only teammate J.C. Jackson, who faced nearly half as many targets (58) as Gilmore (96), was better in that department (allowing a passer rating of 21.8 when targeted). Gilmore's numbers and the tape don't lie: He's a premier cornerback.

White's opposing catch rate below expectation is a bit less substantial, but at -8.4 percent, he still ranks sixth among those who were targeted at least 50 times. His hawk rate (20.2 percent) ranks third among that group, and his opposing passer rating allowed is just barely below Gilmore's, at 38.9. White is also tied atop the interception leaderboard with Gilmore at six, isn't far off in passes defended with 17, forces passes into tight windows on 28.6 percent of targets and allows just 4.0 yards after the catch on average. He's right up there with the best in the league

[wppete]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

He's a stud! ??????

 

Look at McD just leaving White 1 on 1 with OBJ by the goal line. Tres technique, speed , awareness are just phenomenal. 

 

100% he is a stud! Im feeling good about Saturday. The key is if we can get pressure with the 4 man rush and drop our LBs in coverage. Tre will lock down the lady boy Hopkins.

[NewEra]

I know the patriots don’t have a WR as good as John Brown, but man.......I’ve never seen Tre get beat like Smoke beat Gilmore.  Just flat out nasty. Gilmore just gave up because he didn’t want to be on camera any longer

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Really? I have him in my top 10 almost top 5 (he is #6 on my list)

 

That is something I wouldn't necessarily advertise. 

[PatsFanNH]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That is something I wouldn't necessarily advertise. 

As I mentioned in my OP I don’t get see many Bills games so I had him at 6 due to lack of knowledge on him.. not like I put scrubs in front of him or anything. Lol

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I know the patriots don’t have a WR as good as John Brown, but man.......I’ve never seen Tre get beat like Smoke beat Gilmore.  Just flat out nasty. Gilmore just gave up because he didn’t want to be on camera any longer

 

Some times it’s best to just stop and point at someone else. Create some doubt! 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

As I mentioned in my OP I don’t get see many Bills games so I had him at 6 due to lack of knowledge on him.. not like I put scrubs in front of him or anything. Lol

Compared to White literally every other corner is a scrub. 

[badassgixxer05]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I know the patriots don’t have a WR as good as John Brown, but man.......I’ve never seen Tre get beat like Smoke beat Gilmore.  Just flat out nasty. Gilmore just gave up because he didn’t want to be on camera any longer

He did that a lot in buffalo when beat on big plays. The main reason i stopped liking him because he would start looking at other guys like it was their fault. Even if it was, that's not a team first attitude. Still give it all and chase a guy down either way. Show a little effort. 

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, eball said:

If I'm McD/Frazier I have one thought going into this game:  we will not let Hopkins beat us.  However they get that done -- whether it's having Tre shadow him or making sure he's double covered all day -- I will be surprised if Hopkins has a big game.

Fuller is tough also- if he plays he should be less than 100 percent but still! 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, badassgixxer05 said:

He did that a lot in buffalo when beat on big plays. The main reason i stopped liking him because he would start looking at other guys like it was their fault. Even if it was, that's not a team first attitude. Still give it all and chase a guy down either way. Show a little effort. 

 

That one appeared to be on Gilmore... Looked like cover-1 man with a single high safety.  They both got beat since the safety let him behind him, and gilmore got beat on the double move.  But speed will do that to you when you blitz like that.  

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

Also: Zero goals given up ?

[K-9]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I know the patriots don’t have a WR as good as John Brown, but man.......I’ve never seen Tre get beat like Smoke beat Gilmore.  Just flat out nasty. Gilmore just gave up because he didn’t want to be on camera any longer

Gilmore has matured. He wasn’t pointing a finger and yelling at his safety as Brown waltzed into the end zone. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

He did that a lot in buffalo when beat on big plays. The main reason i stopped liking him because he would start looking at other guys like it was their fault. Even if it was, that's not a team first attitude. Still give it all and chase a guy down either way. Show a little effort. 

Agreed.  For such a quiet dude he doesn’t seem to have much respect for others

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  For such a quiet dude he doesn’t seem to have much respect for others

He’s not so quiet anymore. He likes to RT highlights of himself on twitter and say things like “Best ever”

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Fuller is tough also- if he plays he should be less than 100 percent but still! 

 

Heard a stat driving to work on WGR this morning that Houston averages 140 yards a game more passing when Fuller plays than when he doesn't...

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s not so quiet anymore. He likes to RT highlights of himself on twitter and say things like “Best ever”

Oh dam.  I don’t follow him on Twitter.  You shouldn’t either ?

 

https://m.facebook.com/SportsCenter/videos/john-brown-got-gilmore/519692655296717/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos

Is there a way to embed from an iPhone or iPad?

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh dam.  I don’t follow him on Twitter.  You shouldn’t either ?

 

https://m.facebook.com/SportsCenter/videos/john-brown-got-gilmore/519692655296717/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos

Is there a way to embed from an iPhone or iPad?

I actually don’t. Funny enough I was listening to WEEI the week before we played them and they were talking about how chesty has gotten on twitter 

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I actually don’t. Funny enough I was listening to WEEI the week before we played them and they were talking about how chesty has gotten on twitter 

Ok good

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

As I mentioned in my OP I don’t get see many Bills games so I had him at 6 due to lack of knowledge on him.. not like I put scrubs in front of him or anything. Lol

 

Out of interest who did you have in front of him? I had Tre White at #6 or #7 going into the year so if you haven't watched him much this year - when he has taken the leap from borderline elite to bona fide elite - then your position might be defensible. But let's see who your other 5 were. 

 

I'm guessing Gilmore.... what about the other 4? 

Edited January 2, 2020 by GunnerBill

[billsfan_34]

53 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Heard a stat driving to work on WGR this morning that Houston averages 140 yards a game more passing when Fuller plays than when he doesn't...

I find that easy to believe- it is a dual threat when he is on the field.

[T master]

Usually Tre stays with the number 1 WR but even if they don't have him stick to Hopkins i think a lot will depend on if Hopkins burns who ever else it will be covering him, if he does i think Tre will then be with him every where he goes on the field ! 

[FLbills]

21 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

As I mentioned in my OP I don’t get see many Bills games so I had him at 6 due to lack of knowledge on him.. not like I put scrubs in front of him or anything. Lol

How do you have a top 10 NFL cornerback list but not have much knowledge of arguably the best cornerback or a really close 2nd in many people's (analysts, fans, and everyone in between) opinions? Kind of seems like a troll job to me. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 1/2/2020 at 9:17 AM, PatsFanNH said:

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

 

He's the man.

 

He's funny as hell

 

And I'll take him over Gilmore any day 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/2/2020 at 8:17 AM, PatsFanNH said:

I saw this on bleacher report , per them Tre White has been targeted 81 times and has NOT given up a TD. The next closest was at 50, and the. JC Jackson at 40.  So he is 1st by a HUGE Margin.  
 

I don’t see many Bills games so I was wondering does he usually lock up the number 1 receiver or do the Bills double the #1 and put White 1 on 1 with their #2 option? (I’m curious either way it’s an amazing stat!)

 

He's usually on the #1, but he usually doesn't cover the slot guy.

 

He's amazing.  Super player, tough as nails, total team guy, and FUN-NY

 

22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Also: Zero goals given up ?

 

Zero games played! ?

 

On 1/2/2020 at 8:24 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean it’s kinda stupid every team playing the Texans don’t have the same thought process.  The thing with Watson is he will throw at White so White will have more chances to make plays than he does most games. 

 

Well.....I think every team that play the Texans DOES have the same thought process.  But it's like the thought process of taking Gronkowski out of the game used to be.  It's easier said than done. 

 

Hopkins is only 6'1, but he had a 36" vertical at the combine and 33+" long arms.  He can seemingly put away a ball if he gets a fingertip on it.  And unlike a former Bills WR who claimed to be a powerful alien being,  Hopkins may actually BE a powerful alien being.